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i.e. Lake, Carmine
Carmine Rose,
Carmine Lake
Red,
Ultramarine
Pale Red.
Deep Red Lilac.
And another odd question is how can you measure a Long Ear of a George Washington 2 cent stamp?
How much longer is it than the non long ear stamp?
Thanks in advance.
Vic B
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Vic,
I don't have what you are looking for. But I think it is a good collection to put together. Maybe together we could come up with a recommend color collection the we all could try to put together.
Roy, do you have anything?
Regards ... Tim
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This is a great idea!
I have a stamp colour guide, but it is useless for my brain. Like when my wife brings home paint swatches and expects me to know what an entire wall will look like based on a 1”x2” piece of paper (Hint: it’s never even close…)
I have semi-started to put together something and find that the GB Machins are very useful for this, as are many definitives from the “Classic Era”.
Dave.
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"I wonder if anyone knows of any inexpensive stamps that are only printed in 1 color."
I don't know if I understand this question correctly but as far as I know most of the stamps printed up to the mid 1950s are of a single color.
A color chart in the internet posses a problem since computers behave differently and ever more when using scanners, even printed catalogs differ on colors designations, is it light brown or fawn? bluegreen or teal? cobalt blue or intense blue?
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@Tony(StampCollector),
My thought following on from Vic's post wasn't that we would post an example online, but just to say that this particular stamp say Scott 143 is a good example of the Carmine Rose color (it probably isn't, I just picked it as a random example). Then if we individually wished to, we could get a copy of that stamp and put it in a collection labeled Carmine Rose. It is just something that I would probably do.
Regards ... Tim.
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According to Scott cat. this is Finland #400, blue green in color, although, to me, they look like two different greens, I think that they are actually two different stamps. Sometimes a slight difference in color doesn't mean that they are the same stamp.
In the inset you can see quite a difference between the lions tail end plus few others that make this two stamps two complete different printings.
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You are correct. They are two different printings.
Scott notes the difference following Scott Finland #415. Scott doesn't give the different printing types separate catalogue numbers in this instance. Why? Because it's Scott, and it's inconsistencies.
Anyway, the stamp on the left is Type 2 (three vertical lines inside the "O" of Suomi. The stamp on the right is Type 1 (four vertical lines inside the "O").
What sometimes happens is that Scott doesn't always list booklet singles. One of those types may be from the booklet pane, Scott #400a. Stamps from the booklet pane are worth alot more than the sheet stamps.
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08:24:35am
I was wondering how I wanted to add to this thread. My own thoughts were:
a) Problem with catalog descriptions are that they are historical. Many of the "names" of the colors are over 100 years old and were determined by the original catalog editors.
b) because the stamps were described by different editors, the "names" of the colors are not consistent from country to country, and not even from era to era in a single country
The question presumes that there is consistency in the naming of colors, but that is definitely not the case.
So, rather than do the research to support my thesis, I asked ChatGPT:
"Tell me what you know about the consistency of stamp color descriptions used in catalogs of stamps for collectors."
and it answered:
Stamp color descriptions used in catalogs of stamps for collectors aim to provide a standardized way of describing the colors of stamps so that collectors can easily identify and classify them. However, the consistency of these color descriptions can vary depending on factors such as the catalog publisher, the individual author or editor responsible for the description, and changes in printing technology over time. (emphasis mine)
One of the biggest challenges in describing stamp colors consistently is the fact that color perception can be subjective and influenced by factors such as lighting conditions and the viewer's personal color vision. Additionally, stamps can fade or discolor over time, which can further complicate efforts to accurately describe their original colors.
To address these challenges, many catalogs use standardized color references such as the Pantone Matching System (PMS) or the Munsell Color System to describe stamp colors in a more objective way. These systems provide a set of standardized color chips or swatches that can be used as a reference for describing the color of a stamp.
Despite efforts to standardize color descriptions, there can still be variations in how different catalogs describe the same stamp colors. This can be especially true for older stamps or stamps that have undergone significant changes in color due to fading or other factors. As a result, collectors may need to consult multiple catalogs or expert opinions to get a more complete picture of a stamp's color and its place in the history of stamp production.
Much of its answer is about the same stuff that we talk about here all the time: colors changing, lighting conditions (which includes monitor settings) etc. But I was pleased that its first paragraph succinctly described what I was trying to say about the historical aspect.
Roy
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Another big issue with identifying colors is with the collector. As one grows older, most likely one gets cataracts. Colors are greatly changed and muted as the cataract slowly grows. Getting the cataracts removed returns colors to their normal hues. I am speaking from experience here.
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05:14:18pm
I wonder if anyone knows of any inexpensive stamps that are only printed in 1 color.
i.e. Lake, Carmine
Carmine Rose,
Carmine Lake
Red,
Ultramarine
Pale Red.
Deep Red Lilac.
And another odd question is how can you measure a Long Ear of a George Washington 2 cent stamp?
How much longer is it than the non long ear stamp?
Thanks in advance.
Vic B
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re: A question about particular stamp color identification?
Vic,
I don't have what you are looking for. But I think it is a good collection to put together. Maybe together we could come up with a recommend color collection the we all could try to put together.
Roy, do you have anything?
Regards ... Tim
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03:06:46am
re: A question about particular stamp color identification?
This is a great idea!
I have a stamp colour guide, but it is useless for my brain. Like when my wife brings home paint swatches and expects me to know what an entire wall will look like based on a 1”x2” piece of paper (Hint: it’s never even close…)
I have semi-started to put together something and find that the GB Machins are very useful for this, as are many definitives from the “Classic Era”.
Dave.
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re: A question about particular stamp color identification?
"I wonder if anyone knows of any inexpensive stamps that are only printed in 1 color."
I don't know if I understand this question correctly but as far as I know most of the stamps printed up to the mid 1950s are of a single color.
A color chart in the internet posses a problem since computers behave differently and ever more when using scanners, even printed catalogs differ on colors designations, is it light brown or fawn? bluegreen or teal? cobalt blue or intense blue?
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re: A question about particular stamp color identification?
@Tony(StampCollector),
My thought following on from Vic's post wasn't that we would post an example online, but just to say that this particular stamp say Scott 143 is a good example of the Carmine Rose color (it probably isn't, I just picked it as a random example). Then if we individually wished to, we could get a copy of that stamp and put it in a collection labeled Carmine Rose. It is just something that I would probably do.
Regards ... Tim.
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re: A question about particular stamp color identification?
According to Scott cat. this is Finland #400, blue green in color, although, to me, they look like two different greens, I think that they are actually two different stamps. Sometimes a slight difference in color doesn't mean that they are the same stamp.
In the inset you can see quite a difference between the lions tail end plus few others that make this two stamps two complete different printings.
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08:27:04pm
re: A question about particular stamp color identification?
You are correct. They are two different printings.
Scott notes the difference following Scott Finland #415. Scott doesn't give the different printing types separate catalogue numbers in this instance. Why? Because it's Scott, and it's inconsistencies.
Anyway, the stamp on the left is Type 2 (three vertical lines inside the "O" of Suomi. The stamp on the right is Type 1 (four vertical lines inside the "O").
What sometimes happens is that Scott doesn't always list booklet singles. One of those types may be from the booklet pane, Scott #400a. Stamps from the booklet pane are worth alot more than the sheet stamps.
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re: A question about particular stamp color identification?
I was wondering how I wanted to add to this thread. My own thoughts were:
a) Problem with catalog descriptions are that they are historical. Many of the "names" of the colors are over 100 years old and were determined by the original catalog editors.
b) because the stamps were described by different editors, the "names" of the colors are not consistent from country to country, and not even from era to era in a single country
The question presumes that there is consistency in the naming of colors, but that is definitely not the case.
So, rather than do the research to support my thesis, I asked ChatGPT:
"Tell me what you know about the consistency of stamp color descriptions used in catalogs of stamps for collectors."
and it answered:
Stamp color descriptions used in catalogs of stamps for collectors aim to provide a standardized way of describing the colors of stamps so that collectors can easily identify and classify them. However, the consistency of these color descriptions can vary depending on factors such as the catalog publisher, the individual author or editor responsible for the description, and changes in printing technology over time. (emphasis mine)
One of the biggest challenges in describing stamp colors consistently is the fact that color perception can be subjective and influenced by factors such as lighting conditions and the viewer's personal color vision. Additionally, stamps can fade or discolor over time, which can further complicate efforts to accurately describe their original colors.
To address these challenges, many catalogs use standardized color references such as the Pantone Matching System (PMS) or the Munsell Color System to describe stamp colors in a more objective way. These systems provide a set of standardized color chips or swatches that can be used as a reference for describing the color of a stamp.
Despite efforts to standardize color descriptions, there can still be variations in how different catalogs describe the same stamp colors. This can be especially true for older stamps or stamps that have undergone significant changes in color due to fading or other factors. As a result, collectors may need to consult multiple catalogs or expert opinions to get a more complete picture of a stamp's color and its place in the history of stamp production.
Much of its answer is about the same stuff that we talk about here all the time: colors changing, lighting conditions (which includes monitor settings) etc. But I was pleased that its first paragraph succinctly described what I was trying to say about the historical aspect.
Roy
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re: A question about particular stamp color identification?
Another big issue with identifying colors is with the collector. As one grows older, most likely one gets cataracts. Colors are greatly changed and muted as the cataract slowly grows. Getting the cataracts removed returns colors to their normal hues. I am speaking from experience here.
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