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General Philatelic/Gen. Discussion : Removing old hinges

 

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17 Mar 2015
12:09:47pm
I bought an accumulation of Japan that consists of pages from a bunch of collections. These were culled from about 50 different albums. I paid practically nothing for them - this was a just for fun purchase.

My point is - holey smokes - I didn't know there were so many different types of hinges in the past 100 years. Some of the "hinges" were cheap cto's cut up to become "hinges." And many used pieces of selvage. There are hinges of every shape and size imaginable. Have you ever seen stamps cut up to make hinges??? Fortunately - NO cellophane tape!

Also - most of the older hinges peel beautifully. We've had numerous discussions about the dennison hinges, but what about all of the other manufacturers who made good quality peelable hinges in the past. Surely ALL those formulas weren't lost? So, what's up with that?

Also - I'm going to resoak many of these to get rid of all the accumulated hinge goo. Does anyone else clean up old stamps?
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17 Mar 2015
12:26:00pm
re: Removing old hinges

" Does anyone else clean up old stamps?"



If it is a common stamp, and I am just going to dump it in my "give away" box, no. More valuable stamps, or those going into my albums, yes.

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17 Mar 2015
01:22:18pm
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"More valuable stamps, or those going into my albums, yes."



Bobby, is that purely for aesthetic reasons, or will old hinge remnants actually damage the paper over time? I'm thinking of some QV stamps I have that, I swear, had been hinged at least twice. I'm concerned that trying to remove these might cause more damage than leaving them on.
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Tom in Exton, PA

17 Mar 2015
01:31:15pm
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"My point is - holey smokes - I didn't know there were so many different types of hinges in the past 100 years. Some of the "hinges" were cheap cto's cut up to become "hinges." And many used pieces of selvage. There are hinges of every shape and size imaginable. Have you ever seen stamps cut up to make hinges??? Fortunately - NO cellophane tape!"



Yes, I've been victim of hinges made from selvage. I've also seen stamps licked and pasted right into albums, school paste or Elmer's glue and my favorite was rubber cement, which creates a big oil stain right through to the front of the stamp over time. It pays to do a spot check through the album before buying a collection.

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Steve

17 Mar 2015
01:41:49pm
re: Removing old hinges

Picked up six old albums last week on a trip to DC, and found cut-up stamps used as hinges for the first time. Lots of selvage and paper too. Fun, fun, fun, but they can damage the stamps. In think the best bet is to just dump them all in a bucket of water...

I've also run across many stamps that had two or three hinges on them. I always figure two hinges is normal: one from the approval book, and one from the collector. But when I ran across a stamp with four hinges last year, I then realized that I was truly part of a loosely connected, multi-generational family!

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17 Mar 2015
02:12:48pm
re: Removing old hinges

Anyone ever seen the hinges that were made of something similar to cardstock back in the 1800s? Interesting hinges and no I've never attempted to remove any. Especially since I've been reading the old philatelic journals from the 1860's to 1900. I'm amazed at what reputable dealers and collectors did to their stamps and we seriously have taken this mint unhinged, disturbed gum, hinge remnants way too far when we actually should be saying " how on God's earth did this stamp survive to get into my hands today?" According to some of the standards of today, most of these stamps would have been destroyed. Why are some issues so coveted today? Because "specialists" in the 1800s and early 1900s had the same mentality and threw away undesirables which people now realise should have been kept.


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17 Mar 2015
02:18:19pm
re: Removing old hinges

Steve - I'm with you on that. Why is it that people hinge on top of a hinge and repeatedly too? Heck, if the hinge is still attached and you plan on hinging, put a dab of water on the hinge and stick that sucker in your album! Lol

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22 Aug 2015
01:00:04pm
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"Also - I'm going to resoak many of these to get rid of all the accumulated hinge goo. Does anyone else clean up old stamps?"



Absolutely! That's what I am doing right now with a whole bunch of Danish stamps that I had badly hinged the first time! (60+ so far) Crying I Don't Want To See

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michael78651

22 Aug 2015
01:42:00pm
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If the stamp is going into my collection or I'm going to resell it, I'll soak off the piled-up hinge remnants.

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23 Aug 2015
03:33:27pm
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Just before I flew out to Texas I spent about three weeks simply soaking the pages and part pages of a binder that had thousands of lower value stamps on mostly Scott pages, from multiple collections, but the kind of long definitive issues that are likely to provide minor variations once I get the time to look closely at the now stuffed envelopes. One interesting thing is that almost all the pages were likely from pre-1940 European or early 1940s collections, up to a lot of different Allied Military Government issues. I am not sure when I can get a around to it, but it should be fun.

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17 Mar 2015
12:09:47pm

I bought an accumulation of Japan that consists of pages from a bunch of collections. These were culled from about 50 different albums. I paid practically nothing for them - this was a just for fun purchase.

My point is - holey smokes - I didn't know there were so many different types of hinges in the past 100 years. Some of the "hinges" were cheap cto's cut up to become "hinges." And many used pieces of selvage. There are hinges of every shape and size imaginable. Have you ever seen stamps cut up to make hinges??? Fortunately - NO cellophane tape!

Also - most of the older hinges peel beautifully. We've had numerous discussions about the dennison hinges, but what about all of the other manufacturers who made good quality peelable hinges in the past. Surely ALL those formulas weren't lost? So, what's up with that?

Also - I'm going to resoak many of these to get rid of all the accumulated hinge goo. Does anyone else clean up old stamps?

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17 Mar 2015
12:26:00pm

re: Removing old hinges

" Does anyone else clean up old stamps?"



If it is a common stamp, and I am just going to dump it in my "give away" box, no. More valuable stamps, or those going into my albums, yes.

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17 Mar 2015
01:22:18pm

re: Removing old hinges

"More valuable stamps, or those going into my albums, yes."



Bobby, is that purely for aesthetic reasons, or will old hinge remnants actually damage the paper over time? I'm thinking of some QV stamps I have that, I swear, had been hinged at least twice. I'm concerned that trying to remove these might cause more damage than leaving them on.
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Tom in Exton, PA
17 Mar 2015
01:31:15pm

re: Removing old hinges

"My point is - holey smokes - I didn't know there were so many different types of hinges in the past 100 years. Some of the "hinges" were cheap cto's cut up to become "hinges." And many used pieces of selvage. There are hinges of every shape and size imaginable. Have you ever seen stamps cut up to make hinges??? Fortunately - NO cellophane tape!"



Yes, I've been victim of hinges made from selvage. I've also seen stamps licked and pasted right into albums, school paste or Elmer's glue and my favorite was rubber cement, which creates a big oil stain right through to the front of the stamp over time. It pays to do a spot check through the album before buying a collection.

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Steve
17 Mar 2015
01:41:49pm

re: Removing old hinges

Picked up six old albums last week on a trip to DC, and found cut-up stamps used as hinges for the first time. Lots of selvage and paper too. Fun, fun, fun, but they can damage the stamps. In think the best bet is to just dump them all in a bucket of water...

I've also run across many stamps that had two or three hinges on them. I always figure two hinges is normal: one from the approval book, and one from the collector. But when I ran across a stamp with four hinges last year, I then realized that I was truly part of a loosely connected, multi-generational family!

-Steve

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17 Mar 2015
02:12:48pm

re: Removing old hinges

Anyone ever seen the hinges that were made of something similar to cardstock back in the 1800s? Interesting hinges and no I've never attempted to remove any. Especially since I've been reading the old philatelic journals from the 1860's to 1900. I'm amazed at what reputable dealers and collectors did to their stamps and we seriously have taken this mint unhinged, disturbed gum, hinge remnants way too far when we actually should be saying " how on God's earth did this stamp survive to get into my hands today?" According to some of the standards of today, most of these stamps would have been destroyed. Why are some issues so coveted today? Because "specialists" in the 1800s and early 1900s had the same mentality and threw away undesirables which people now realise should have been kept.


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17 Mar 2015
02:18:19pm

re: Removing old hinges

Steve - I'm with you on that. Why is it that people hinge on top of a hinge and repeatedly too? Heck, if the hinge is still attached and you plan on hinging, put a dab of water on the hinge and stick that sucker in your album! Lol

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bobstew617

22 Aug 2015
01:00:04pm

re: Removing old hinges

"Also - I'm going to resoak many of these to get rid of all the accumulated hinge goo. Does anyone else clean up old stamps?"



Absolutely! That's what I am doing right now with a whole bunch of Danish stamps that I had badly hinged the first time! (60+ so far) Crying I Don't Want To See

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michael78651

22 Aug 2015
01:42:00pm

re: Removing old hinges

If the stamp is going into my collection or I'm going to resell it, I'll soak off the piled-up hinge remnants.

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23 Aug 2015
03:33:27pm

re: Removing old hinges

Just before I flew out to Texas I spent about three weeks simply soaking the pages and part pages of a binder that had thousands of lower value stamps on mostly Scott pages, from multiple collections, but the kind of long definitive issues that are likely to provide minor variations once I get the time to look closely at the now stuffed envelopes. One interesting thing is that almost all the pages were likely from pre-1940 European or early 1940s collections, up to a lot of different Allied Military Government issues. I am not sure when I can get a around to it, but it should be fun.

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