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You may find them at Monty Wedd in our Historic Articles Section.
There are many more to come. Please note they are in PDF so you can easily enlarge the article on your monitor by clicking the button on the PDF that magnifies it so that it is at a comfortable reading size for everyone.
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Kelly you have put a lot of time in to this project...I thankyou very much....
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08:44:32pm
Thank Nelson and Mel, they are the ones that did the scanning and cleaning up the picture, all I did was get them set up as PDFs and put up online. They did an awesome job!
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Thankyou Nelson and Mel...Truly appreciate the team work!!! Now I`m thinking my printer will need ink in a day or two!!!! lol
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Hi All
I would have added more from Monty Wedd, but, was informed in another forum that I may be infringing on a copyright?? So, I have hesitated from posting more.
Chimo
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02:28:29pm
Interesting point, Bujutsu.
The Berne Convention (which the USA follows) assigns an automatic copyright for such works, said copyright protection to extend 50 years beyond the author's death. Since Monty Wedd died in 2012, his works have valid copyright protection until 2062.
Maybe we should reconsider publishing those strips until permission is obtained from his estate?
Food for thought...
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The Philatelic Database publishes some with permission, so with the right contact (not NSW Publications) we should get an OK since it is not for commercial purposes.
One of the moderators should look into it.
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06:34:46pm
Nelson, good idea, but this is not come under the duties of a moderator. Involved parties (i.e., those who posted the strips) are the most logical choice to do the contacting.
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I have had a minor emergency, but will look into the situation next week.
Mel
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09:50:42pm
Pending permission to use the Monty Wedd illustrations, they are currently unavailable on SOR. Once permission has been granted for our use of the illustrations, they will be re-activated with more added.
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BOOO :-) !! those are sooo cool. I may be naive, but as there is no commercial use or economic gain as long as you are giving credit I don"t see any copyright issues.
hope they come back soon!!
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Violation of a copyright can result in statutory damages and fines, even if the violation is innocent and not for profit. This is serious stuff, folk. I am not saying it will happen, but why risk it when permission is probably there if requested.
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"but as there is no commercial use or economic gain as long as you are giving credit I don"t see any copyright issues."
There certainly are copyright issues. It is not our property to give away for free. If the owner of the property gives permission to post the items and doesn't want to be compensated, then no problem.
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We shall wait patiently....and hope it is good news....Good Luck
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OK, for all. Following is an update on the Monty Wedd situation. Obtained from another stamp chat board were 66 images posted on March 23, 2014. The images were taken from a book entitled Stamp Oddities, by Monty Wedd. The book has no publication date or copyright information. The book was printed by Master Print, PTY and published by Review Publications PTY, LTD, Sterling St. Dubbo N.S.W. Australia. I have images of the cover, first page and back cover. The first page says, “The material in this book was adapted from cartoons which appeared originally in Stamp News, the monthly magazine for stamp collectorsâ€.
I have sent two separate emails to the editors of Stamp News in Australia, but have not received a response. As of today, their web page is down, for some unknown reason.
On January 15, 2015, the Port Stephens Examiner published an article entitled “Monty Wedd’s Legacy Lives On in New Bookâ€. The article was written by Charles Elias and showed a picture of Mrs. Wedd holding a copy of the book. I have sent an email to the editor of the paper asking for information regarding copyright information.
I have sent an email to the National Library of Australia inquiring about a book, entitled, “Stamp Storiesâ€, by Monty Wedd and any copyright information. This book was published by Review Publications in 1970. There are 32 illustrations in the book, with many having the same title of the illustrations in my possession.
In addition, from October 1951-January 1953 there were nine comic books produced called “Thrilling Adventures in Stamp Collectingâ€. It is interesting to note that some of the cartoons bear a striking resemblance to some of the Monty Wedd Illustrations, both in wording and illustrations. More research needed in this area.
From what I can determine, Review Publications is no longer in business. I am trying to find out if the name changed or they just left.
This is all I have for now. If any SOR members have any ideas or can offer help in tracking down information on copyright claims for the Monty Wedd illustrations, please feel free to contact me.
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There doesn't have to be a "copyright notice" in order for there to be a copyright in effect.
Mel, who raised the original issue on the other site regarding possible copyright infringement? Was it the copyright holder, publisher, estate, someone wondering if it was a potential problem to post the items???? That's where you might have to research to see how that claim originated.
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Michael, I have already put feelers out in that direction, but have not received a response yet.
Mel
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Hi Everyone;
As long as this thread is discussing color Monty Wedd material, and seems to have gravitated
to copyright issues, here is some food for thought. Are these color cartoons by Monty Wedd
as originally produced by him? Where they colorized by someone else? The following quote
will explain why I ask this otherwise less than interesting question.
"John Huston's opposition to the colorization of his work led to a landmark three-year
French legal case after his death, sparked by a colorized version of The Asphalt Jungle.
His daughter Anjelica Huston successfully used French copyright law to set a binding
precedent in 1991 that prevents the distribution or broadcasting in France of any
colorized version of a film against the wishes of the original creator or their heirs.
Major legislative reaction in the United States was the National Film Preservation Act
of 1988 (Public Law 100-446), which prohibits any person from knowingly distributing
or exhibiting to the public a film that has been materially altered, or a black and white
film that has been colorized and is included in the Registry, unless such films are
labeled disclosing specified information. This law also created the National Film Registry."
Altering someone else's works is a violation against that person's rights in that you have
changed what they were trying to express artistically. It doesn't matter if you think that
the altered version is better or not. It is not your work to alter. I feel that even when copy-
rights have expired it is dis-respectful to the creating artist and all of their heirs.
When you request this limited use license of his work, ask for something in writing to be
posted with the articles. If the copyright holder wants to grant permission but will not
provide written license, that is okay. But asking for that written license will show that you
are respectful of their rights, and will go a long ways toward a good relationship with the
party involved.
Also ask if they would want to see our site. If they like what we have done with his works
they may possibly offer some harder to find material or maybe even some un-published
works as well.
Sorry for butting in with my slightly off-topic remarks, I just felt it needed to be said. The
moderators my move my remarks, if they feel there is a better place to state them.
Just buttin' in....
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Ken, good points.
If I may, about the colorization of movies, I know the opposite argument to that case.
The argument (justification) given was that those colorizing movies were doing so to make the movies available to those who refuse to watch black and white movies. Another argument was that color film was not available during the war years, and that if it had been available, many of black and white films would have been shot in color.
"Yankee Doodle Dandy" is often given as the prime example of a black and white movie that would have been shot in color, and should be colorized.
Ted Turner was a big proponent to colorization. He did colorize "Yankee Doodle Dandy" Many early colorization attempts were horrid. Personally, I do not agree with colorization of the old movies. Yes, "Yankee Doodle Dandy" with all it flag waving and Broadway play scenes would have been great in color. However, to me, the movies are what they are. They should be presented in the format that they were made.
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Hi Michael#####;
I had a good friend (long gone) who had the idea that colorization would make them more interesting
to young people so they would watch them. He also did not understand that B/W movies that are on
film can't be colorized without great loss visually, as he did not understand how color and contrast work
together in film media.
I pointed out to him that young people do not want to watch who-dun-its because they do not want
to sit for two hours to see who-dun-it. They instead want films intended for short attention span viewers
(video comic books) with lots of cars leaping into the air. Movies with actual plots that make one think,
do not appeal to them, and no amount of tinkering with these films will ever get them to watch. If you
like the plot, the directing and the acting you will watch whether color or B/W.
The first decades or so of color movies were awful. Making color films in the old days was several times
more expensive than B/W. A photographer who develops and prints their own photos would know and
understand why this is so. So the studio had to make budgetary adjustments, and that frequently
meant less money for good writers and good directors. So video comic books became cheaper to make
than bothering to spend money on quality films.
Ted Turner was dead wrong in his reasoning into why some people watch something, while others do
not. He was very clever about how to make money and such, but not much about viewers reasons for
viewing.
When you add color dyes to B/W film, the dye has to go over a grey or white area of the negative to
show up on screen. A dark grey area may be actually an intense green. But trying to make an intense
green by mixing medium grey with green and what do you get? Greenish grey and rather dark at that.
Not anything like the color of the original subject. Imagine if you will, trying to colorize a forest scene
and not make it look like it was shot on an overcast day or in moonlight!!
I think that they did the right thing by making it very difficult to do this legally. How would you feel if I
took one of your books and re-wrote the entire thing and re-published it. Does it really matter what is
legal for me to do? Or would you feel like I just stepped on your toes with my steel-toed boots?
So Michael##### I'm with you on this one, even if everyone else disagrees with us, what a bad idea
this is. So if you don't colorize my Humphrey Bogart, Robert Mitchum, Clark Gable, Burt Lancaster, and
other great film stars, I promise to not tinker with your books. By the way, most of the people who
were vehemently against this 'tinkering' were the actors who were in them. And one of the leaders
of this movement to leave them alone was Burt Lancaster.
Just buttin' in again....
TuskenRaider
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I am wondering how the Monty Wedd adventure is developing...Any progress on getting approval for posting ? and no colored stamps needed..........
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Getting close, but afraid I am not at liberty to discuss on SOR at the present time. I am only waiting for final word. Will let you know as soon as I can.
Mel
PS: I have also obtained my own personal copy of "Stamp Oddities", by Monty Wedd.
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Good for you....so envious!!!!!
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28 May 2015
06:03:00pm
As per popular demand here on the Discussion Board and thanks to Mel and Nelson, we now have 20 issues of Monty Wedd illustrations up for your viewing pleasure.
You may find them at Monty Wedd in our Historic Articles Section.
There are many more to come. Please note they are in PDF so you can easily enlarge the article on your monitor by clicking the button on the PDF that magnifies it so that it is at a comfortable reading size for everyone.
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Kelly you have put a lot of time in to this project...I thankyou very much....
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08:44:32pm
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Thank Nelson and Mel, they are the ones that did the scanning and cleaning up the picture, all I did was get them set up as PDFs and put up online. They did an awesome job!
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09:24:33pm
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Thankyou Nelson and Mel...Truly appreciate the team work!!! Now I`m thinking my printer will need ink in a day or two!!!! lol
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Hi All
I would have added more from Monty Wedd, but, was informed in another forum that I may be infringing on a copyright?? So, I have hesitated from posting more.
Chimo
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29 May 2015
02:28:29pm
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Interesting point, Bujutsu.
The Berne Convention (which the USA follows) assigns an automatic copyright for such works, said copyright protection to extend 50 years beyond the author's death. Since Monty Wedd died in 2012, his works have valid copyright protection until 2062.
Maybe we should reconsider publishing those strips until permission is obtained from his estate?
Food for thought...
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03:57:22pm
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The Philatelic Database publishes some with permission, so with the right contact (not NSW Publications) we should get an OK since it is not for commercial purposes.
One of the moderators should look into it.
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29 May 2015
06:34:46pm
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Nelson, good idea, but this is not come under the duties of a moderator. Involved parties (i.e., those who posted the strips) are the most logical choice to do the contacting.
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I have had a minor emergency, but will look into the situation next week.
Mel
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29 May 2015
09:50:42pm
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Pending permission to use the Monty Wedd illustrations, they are currently unavailable on SOR. Once permission has been granted for our use of the illustrations, they will be re-activated with more added.
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08:13:18pm
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BOOO :-) !! those are sooo cool. I may be naive, but as there is no commercial use or economic gain as long as you are giving credit I don"t see any copyright issues.
hope they come back soon!!
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30 May 2015
10:09:20pm
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Violation of a copyright can result in statutory damages and fines, even if the violation is innocent and not for profit. This is serious stuff, folk. I am not saying it will happen, but why risk it when permission is probably there if requested.
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12:56:16am
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"but as there is no commercial use or economic gain as long as you are giving credit I don"t see any copyright issues."
There certainly are copyright issues. It is not our property to give away for free. If the owner of the property gives permission to post the items and doesn't want to be compensated, then no problem.
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05:29:47am
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We shall wait patiently....and hope it is good news....Good Luck
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OK, for all. Following is an update on the Monty Wedd situation. Obtained from another stamp chat board were 66 images posted on March 23, 2014. The images were taken from a book entitled Stamp Oddities, by Monty Wedd. The book has no publication date or copyright information. The book was printed by Master Print, PTY and published by Review Publications PTY, LTD, Sterling St. Dubbo N.S.W. Australia. I have images of the cover, first page and back cover. The first page says, “The material in this book was adapted from cartoons which appeared originally in Stamp News, the monthly magazine for stamp collectorsâ€.
I have sent two separate emails to the editors of Stamp News in Australia, but have not received a response. As of today, their web page is down, for some unknown reason.
On January 15, 2015, the Port Stephens Examiner published an article entitled “Monty Wedd’s Legacy Lives On in New Bookâ€. The article was written by Charles Elias and showed a picture of Mrs. Wedd holding a copy of the book. I have sent an email to the editor of the paper asking for information regarding copyright information.
I have sent an email to the National Library of Australia inquiring about a book, entitled, “Stamp Storiesâ€, by Monty Wedd and any copyright information. This book was published by Review Publications in 1970. There are 32 illustrations in the book, with many having the same title of the illustrations in my possession.
In addition, from October 1951-January 1953 there were nine comic books produced called “Thrilling Adventures in Stamp Collectingâ€. It is interesting to note that some of the cartoons bear a striking resemblance to some of the Monty Wedd Illustrations, both in wording and illustrations. More research needed in this area.
From what I can determine, Review Publications is no longer in business. I am trying to find out if the name changed or they just left.
This is all I have for now. If any SOR members have any ideas or can offer help in tracking down information on copyright claims for the Monty Wedd illustrations, please feel free to contact me.
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01:36:47pm
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There doesn't have to be a "copyright notice" in order for there to be a copyright in effect.
Mel, who raised the original issue on the other site regarding possible copyright infringement? Was it the copyright holder, publisher, estate, someone wondering if it was a potential problem to post the items???? That's where you might have to research to see how that claim originated.
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Michael, I have already put feelers out in that direction, but have not received a response yet.
Mel
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Hi Everyone;
As long as this thread is discussing color Monty Wedd material, and seems to have gravitated
to copyright issues, here is some food for thought. Are these color cartoons by Monty Wedd
as originally produced by him? Where they colorized by someone else? The following quote
will explain why I ask this otherwise less than interesting question.
"John Huston's opposition to the colorization of his work led to a landmark three-year
French legal case after his death, sparked by a colorized version of The Asphalt Jungle.
His daughter Anjelica Huston successfully used French copyright law to set a binding
precedent in 1991 that prevents the distribution or broadcasting in France of any
colorized version of a film against the wishes of the original creator or their heirs.
Major legislative reaction in the United States was the National Film Preservation Act
of 1988 (Public Law 100-446), which prohibits any person from knowingly distributing
or exhibiting to the public a film that has been materially altered, or a black and white
film that has been colorized and is included in the Registry, unless such films are
labeled disclosing specified information. This law also created the National Film Registry."
Altering someone else's works is a violation against that person's rights in that you have
changed what they were trying to express artistically. It doesn't matter if you think that
the altered version is better or not. It is not your work to alter. I feel that even when copy-
rights have expired it is dis-respectful to the creating artist and all of their heirs.
When you request this limited use license of his work, ask for something in writing to be
posted with the articles. If the copyright holder wants to grant permission but will not
provide written license, that is okay. But asking for that written license will show that you
are respectful of their rights, and will go a long ways toward a good relationship with the
party involved.
Also ask if they would want to see our site. If they like what we have done with his works
they may possibly offer some harder to find material or maybe even some un-published
works as well.
Sorry for butting in with my slightly off-topic remarks, I just felt it needed to be said. The
moderators my move my remarks, if they feel there is a better place to state them.
Just buttin' in....
TuskenRaider
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05:16:05pm
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Ken, good points.
If I may, about the colorization of movies, I know the opposite argument to that case.
The argument (justification) given was that those colorizing movies were doing so to make the movies available to those who refuse to watch black and white movies. Another argument was that color film was not available during the war years, and that if it had been available, many of black and white films would have been shot in color.
"Yankee Doodle Dandy" is often given as the prime example of a black and white movie that would have been shot in color, and should be colorized.
Ted Turner was a big proponent to colorization. He did colorize "Yankee Doodle Dandy" Many early colorization attempts were horrid. Personally, I do not agree with colorization of the old movies. Yes, "Yankee Doodle Dandy" with all it flag waving and Broadway play scenes would have been great in color. However, to me, the movies are what they are. They should be presented in the format that they were made.
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Hi Michael#####;
I had a good friend (long gone) who had the idea that colorization would make them more interesting
to young people so they would watch them. He also did not understand that B/W movies that are on
film can't be colorized without great loss visually, as he did not understand how color and contrast work
together in film media.
I pointed out to him that young people do not want to watch who-dun-its because they do not want
to sit for two hours to see who-dun-it. They instead want films intended for short attention span viewers
(video comic books) with lots of cars leaping into the air. Movies with actual plots that make one think,
do not appeal to them, and no amount of tinkering with these films will ever get them to watch. If you
like the plot, the directing and the acting you will watch whether color or B/W.
The first decades or so of color movies were awful. Making color films in the old days was several times
more expensive than B/W. A photographer who develops and prints their own photos would know and
understand why this is so. So the studio had to make budgetary adjustments, and that frequently
meant less money for good writers and good directors. So video comic books became cheaper to make
than bothering to spend money on quality films.
Ted Turner was dead wrong in his reasoning into why some people watch something, while others do
not. He was very clever about how to make money and such, but not much about viewers reasons for
viewing.
When you add color dyes to B/W film, the dye has to go over a grey or white area of the negative to
show up on screen. A dark grey area may be actually an intense green. But trying to make an intense
green by mixing medium grey with green and what do you get? Greenish grey and rather dark at that.
Not anything like the color of the original subject. Imagine if you will, trying to colorize a forest scene
and not make it look like it was shot on an overcast day or in moonlight!!
I think that they did the right thing by making it very difficult to do this legally. How would you feel if I
took one of your books and re-wrote the entire thing and re-published it. Does it really matter what is
legal for me to do? Or would you feel like I just stepped on your toes with my steel-toed boots?
So Michael##### I'm with you on this one, even if everyone else disagrees with us, what a bad idea
this is. So if you don't colorize my Humphrey Bogart, Robert Mitchum, Clark Gable, Burt Lancaster, and
other great film stars, I promise to not tinker with your books. By the way, most of the people who
were vehemently against this 'tinkering' were the actors who were in them. And one of the leaders
of this movement to leave them alone was Burt Lancaster.
Just buttin' in again....
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I am wondering how the Monty Wedd adventure is developing...Any progress on getting approval for posting ? and no colored stamps needed..........
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Getting close, but afraid I am not at liberty to discuss on SOR at the present time. I am only waiting for final word. Will let you know as soon as I can.
Mel
PS: I have also obtained my own personal copy of "Stamp Oddities", by Monty Wedd.
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Good for you....so envious!!!!!
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