philb

02 Nov 2015
09:19:57pm

I frequent postcard shows looking for classic postcards..because most sellers are catering to regional area buyers and not foreign stamp people. Looking for 1900s Dutch Indies photo postcards i really hooked a beauty with this one. When i think of what a stamp dealer that had this in his inventory would have charged me ! I have not even checked out the town postmark..but this guy sent to the Netherlands West Indies from the Netherlands East Indies has a New York Paid all postmark of Feb 5 1903..left Java sometime in 1902..i guess there was no air mail !

 
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BenFranklin1902

Tom in Exton, PA
02 Nov 2015
09:48:58pm

re: Java to Curacao by way of New York

I love finding things like this! Talk about taking the long way home! Looks as if a clerk accidently put the card in a pouch headed for America. It got to New York and they sent it back on it's way! I'm surprised they didn't add any nomenclature other than the postmark itself. Note that there is another faint marking on the business side of the card. Could that be the eventual receiving postmark?

I also love sorting through postcard boxes, as well as going through the postcard categories on eBay. Seems postcard folks are pretty focussed on the card aspect, and haven't learned a lick about the postal use... other than the card has been "ruined" by actually being used.

I collect USA for the period of 1903-9 for my Ben Franklins and have found so much cool usage as my reward for my search!

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ikeyPikey

03 Nov 2015
12:27:47am

re: Java to Curacao by way of New York

philb: Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, so here's a (sadly unused) postcard from the hills of Java.









Changes in spelling etc gave gTranslate fits, but my best guesses are:

Kampong tosari met ingang Hotel Oud-Tosari => Tosari Sanatorium, from the Old Hotel, in Old Tosari

hoogst gelegen herstellingsoord 6000 voet. => highest convalescence from Ned. Indie. 6000 feet.

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey

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philb

03 Nov 2015
08:34:52am

re: Java to Curacao by way of New York

Nice card ikey ! I figured mine went via New York to Curacao the same way that mail from Guatemala would come by way of New Orleans prior to airmail. Thanks all for the info !

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Jansimon

collector, seller, MT member
03 Nov 2015
11:05:14am

re: Java to Curacao by way of New York

I do not think so.
Here is something I found on the site of the Dutch colonial museum ("Tropenmuseum"):


Tosari became a tourist destination as early as the 19th century. It was at high altitude (approx. 2000 metres) and therefore it was a cool place. There was also the Bromo volcano and the accompanying Sand Sea nearby. One could also visit the Tenggerese, a group of Javanese that had not converted to Islam and were studied by anthropologists and tourists alike. Because of the cool climate it was also a good place for a sanatorium. Europeans could convalesce there from the fatigue of the hot lowlands, which was always a lot cheaper than go back to the Netherlands to recover.

(P. Boomgaard, 2001). Sanatorium Tosari in Pasuruan, Oost-Java Entree Sanatorium Tosari, Tengger-gebergte, Pasoeroean, Oost-Java, ca. 1910







Postcards from Tosari are not rare at all.

 
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cdj1122

re: Java to Curacao by way of New York

" ... there is a town, lake, and a couple small villages (North Java, Java Center, etc) in Western New York State named after the island of Java. As for why I do not know. ..."

From Wikipedia; " ... Batavia is a city in Genesee County, Western New York, US, located near the center of Genesee County, surrounded by the Town of Batavia, which is a separate municipality. Its population as of the 2010 census was 15,465. The name Batavia is Latin for the Betuwe region of the Netherlands, and honors early Dutch land developers. ..."

Remember the song, Josh;
" ... Even old New York, was once New Amsterdam ...."


Istanbul (Not Constantinople)

Istanbul was Constantinople,
Now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople
Been a long time gone, Constantinople
Now it's Turkish delight on a moonlit night

Every gal in Constantinople
Lives in Istanbul, not Constantinople
So if you've a date in Constantinople
She'll be waiting in Istanbul

Even old New York was once New Amsterdam
Why they changed it I can't say
People just liked it better that way

So take me back to Constantinople
No, you can't go back to Constantinople
Been a long time gone, Constantinople
Why did Constantinople get the works?
That's nobody's business but the Turks

Istanbul, Istanbul
Istanbul, Istanbul

Even old New York was once New Amsterdam
Why they changed it I can't say
People just liked it better that way

 
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cdj1122

re: Java to Curacao by way of New York

" ... but funny you should mention Batavia ..."

I was born in Brooklyn and lived for several years in "Gravesend", learning about the six sections of Brooklyn all with their Dutch names;
Bushwick
Brooklyn
Flatlands
Gravesend
New Utrecht
Flatbush
and before it became a chemical dump went skinny dipping from my grandfathers barge in the Gowanus Canal.
In the 1600s, the Dutch settlers considered the Anglos the way some people today consider the Latinos. And the Mohawks and Iroquois complained that the Dutch didn't speak their language either.

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