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Thanks for any clarification as to why I am digging deep in my wallet to purchase even used values of this set lol.
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Eric, the famous seafarers is known as the navigator series, and there were two issues, the first from 1963-1965 which were in the old pound, shilling and pence and the other when decimalisation occurred on February 14, 1966 (dollars and cents).
The pre-decimals consisted of the 7/6; 10/-; £1; £2 (with Specimen on lower right hand corner). In my collection I also have different papers and the very scarce £2 with the Specimen in the near middle position, the pre-decimal collection including Specimens is rare.
The Total amount of pre-decimals printed were.
4/-: There are 5,199,052 known to exist today.
5/-: There are 4,789,317 known to exist today.
10/: There are 2,190,145 known to exist today.
£1: There are 1,388,193 known to exist today.
£2: There are 290,125 known to exist today.
The above do not include the scarce white paper.
Less than 3,000 pre-decimal Specimen sets exist and are very scarce (The white paper and near central position £2 Specimen were not part of this particular set).
The decimals have various papers and Specimen overprint sizes; the collection is scarce.
Other varieties and errors are not shown (I have them in a special album for varieties and errors). The link provided will show you both currencies, all are in mint unhinged condition.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B8f0Z-HKP8u4WmVYdTdwU0VnRjA
Click onto stamp to enlarge it.
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Rob, wonderful information. Thank you!
I am working on getting a catalogue or two for Australia.
Eric
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"Rob, wonderful information. Thank you!
I am working on getting a catalogue or two for Australia.
Eric"
If i have the stamp(s) I will display them for you.
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Are these the stamps you are talking about,Eric?
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Tooler, those would be the culprits. As Rob informed me, the Navigator series. I see you have "Early Navigators" printed on your page. I recognize several of the names, Tasman, George Bass, Flinders, and Cook. But the others I need to read up on. Love these stamps.
In fact, they are all on order from Ebay, used. Rob has a link above to his superb unused collection of these. Down the road, finances permitting, I will upgrade to unused, but I am trying to clear out a large swath at the moment. I like to fill in, then upgrade to better stamps as time goes by.
Thanks for posting the images.
Cheers,
Eric
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Some are worth more $ used,(not CTO) than mint. Check your catalog.
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I believe the full title is:
"Early Navigators in Australian Waters".
I am still trying to work out how to identify cream vs white paper for this series as the ones on cream paper to me look whiter than the ones only printed on cream paper. A job for another day!
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"Some are worth more $ used,(not CTO) than mint. Check your catalog."
Only if they are still on cover and commercially used.
If you have the entire set of used pre-decimal Navigators they are worth less than $100 if they are not on commercial cover.
The link I provided shows both pre-decimal and decimal, including both white and cream papers, Specimens and the very scarce £2 with the Specimen overprint in near central position.
Replacement value of the collection would set me back $3,000; if they were used significantly less.
The Specimens were never used as postage, and are always bought unused.
So, are some worth more used than mint? And I assume you are referring to single stamps, no they aren't.
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"I am still trying to work out how to identify cream vs white paper for this series as the ones on cream paper to me look whiter than the ones only printed on cream paper. A job for another day!"
I will put together both cream and white paper of all the Navigators to note the difference, some are obvious, and there is the tricky ones. By using my stamps as a guide it should (I hope) solve the mystery.
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Hi Rob,
If you look at the stamps 'tooler' posted above, the 5/- brown Dampier is on white paper and the 4/- blue Tasman is on cream paper. But you cannot tell me that the paper of the blue stamp does not look whiter than that of the brown one.
This is where I get confused!
Cheers,
David.
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"If you look at the stamps 'tooler' posted above, the 5/- brown Dampier is on white paper and the 4/- blue Tasman is on cream paper. But you cannot tell me that the paper of the blue stamp does not look whiter than that of the brown one.
This is where I get confused!
"
It is difficult to tell the cream and white paper apart if there is a white background that 'tooler' has shown, you would need to compare the two on a black background.
The 5/- Dampier is the only pre-decimal Navigator that was issued on a thicker cream paper than the rest giving it a much darker appearance to the rest (not white as the white paper was only introduced to the 4/-, 10/-, £1 and £2 issues); the thickness of the paper will make a difference in the shading.
I do have a cream and white paper 4/- Tasman, and you will see the difference; looking from the front can be deceptive, but from the back it is obvious that the stamps have different paper types.
The 4/- Tasman is the only stamp in the pre-decimal Navigator series that is printed on unwatermarked paper.
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Here is a cream and white paper of the Tasman 40 cents (I just noticed that I do not have a white 5/- Tasman, will get one in a few days). Both papers of the 4/- is the same as the 40 cent issues.
Cream paper - Front
Cream paper - Back
White paper - Front
White paper - Back
The backs are always a give-away. Also on cream paper the design is darker than the design on white paper.
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The scans of the backs appear to be of the front with the design color almost eliminated. Or do I need new glasses?
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Ok am I being thick or should the reverse of the images have the print also reversed? The margins should be on the right rather than the left should they not.
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He has simply horizontally flipped the images of the back for presentation.
Here is one of them flipped back.
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copy55555 and sheepshanks, Roy is correct.
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Hi Rob,
Now I have something to go by and can put those stamps into my album! Well the ones I have anyway.
Thanking you.
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"Hi Rob,
Now I have something to go by and can put those stamps into my album! Well the ones I have anyway.
Thanking you."
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Hi David
If you come across an Aussie stamp that is difficult to identify in paper difference, just PM the image(s) and I'll look at it for you.
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If you come across an Aussie stamp that is difficult to identify in paper difference, just PM the image(s) and I'll look at it for you."
Thanks. I started a thread on just these stamps not that long ago. I think I was supposed to upload an image of the back of the stamps but did not get around to it. Looks like I should do that tomorrow and at the same time cross reference a link back to this thread for future reference.
Cheers,
Davod.
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The link to your Navigators is provided below.
https://stamporama.com/discboard/disc_main.php?action=20&id=14178#105912
The images are too small to make a proper assessment, this is why the back is important. And what I can make of the bottom images is as follows (the backs will verify if I'm correct):
1) £1 - White
2) £1 - Cream
3) 10/- - Cream
The 5/- as mentioned previously is of a thicker cream paper. I also made a mistake with the front of the cream and white paper, the design on the front of the white paper is actually darker then the cream; the reverse is correct.
If you believe you have two different papers, lay one back half over the other and if they are different it will be noticeable.
I'm going to show this method with some pre-decimal cream and white papers, including other stamp designs.
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I just recently started collecting Australia, and still don't have the reference material I would like to have, so there are many mysteries to clear up. One is the 1963 series of Famous Seafarers. In my limited experience 1963 commemoratives from most countries are printed in vast quantity, and are relatively cheap. Did that not happen here? The higher values are quite dear. I guess it makes sense for the 2 pound stamp as perhaps not many were printed?
Thanks for any clarification as to why I am digging deep in my wallet to purchase even used values of this set lol.
Eric
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Eric, the famous seafarers is known as the navigator series, and there were two issues, the first from 1963-1965 which were in the old pound, shilling and pence and the other when decimalisation occurred on February 14, 1966 (dollars and cents).
The pre-decimals consisted of the 7/6; 10/-; £1; £2 (with Specimen on lower right hand corner). In my collection I also have different papers and the very scarce £2 with the Specimen in the near middle position, the pre-decimal collection including Specimens is rare.
The Total amount of pre-decimals printed were.
4/-: There are 5,199,052 known to exist today.
5/-: There are 4,789,317 known to exist today.
10/: There are 2,190,145 known to exist today.
£1: There are 1,388,193 known to exist today.
£2: There are 290,125 known to exist today.
The above do not include the scarce white paper.
Less than 3,000 pre-decimal Specimen sets exist and are very scarce (The white paper and near central position £2 Specimen were not part of this particular set).
The decimals have various papers and Specimen overprint sizes; the collection is scarce.
Other varieties and errors are not shown (I have them in a special album for varieties and errors). The link provided will show you both currencies, all are in mint unhinged condition.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B8f0Z-HKP8u4WmVYdTdwU0VnRjA
Click onto stamp to enlarge it.
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Rob, wonderful information. Thank you!
I am working on getting a catalogue or two for Australia.
Eric
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"Rob, wonderful information. Thank you!
I am working on getting a catalogue or two for Australia.
Eric"
If i have the stamp(s) I will display them for you.
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Are these the stamps you are talking about,Eric?
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Tooler, those would be the culprits. As Rob informed me, the Navigator series. I see you have "Early Navigators" printed on your page. I recognize several of the names, Tasman, George Bass, Flinders, and Cook. But the others I need to read up on. Love these stamps.
In fact, they are all on order from Ebay, used. Rob has a link above to his superb unused collection of these. Down the road, finances permitting, I will upgrade to unused, but I am trying to clear out a large swath at the moment. I like to fill in, then upgrade to better stamps as time goes by.
Thanks for posting the images.
Cheers,
Eric
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Some are worth more $ used,(not CTO) than mint. Check your catalog.
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I believe the full title is:
"Early Navigators in Australian Waters".
I am still trying to work out how to identify cream vs white paper for this series as the ones on cream paper to me look whiter than the ones only printed on cream paper. A job for another day!
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"Some are worth more $ used,(not CTO) than mint. Check your catalog."
Only if they are still on cover and commercially used.
If you have the entire set of used pre-decimal Navigators they are worth less than $100 if they are not on commercial cover.
The link I provided shows both pre-decimal and decimal, including both white and cream papers, Specimens and the very scarce £2 with the Specimen overprint in near central position.
Replacement value of the collection would set me back $3,000; if they were used significantly less.
The Specimens were never used as postage, and are always bought unused.
So, are some worth more used than mint? And I assume you are referring to single stamps, no they aren't.
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"I am still trying to work out how to identify cream vs white paper for this series as the ones on cream paper to me look whiter than the ones only printed on cream paper. A job for another day!"
I will put together both cream and white paper of all the Navigators to note the difference, some are obvious, and there is the tricky ones. By using my stamps as a guide it should (I hope) solve the mystery.
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Hi Rob,
If you look at the stamps 'tooler' posted above, the 5/- brown Dampier is on white paper and the 4/- blue Tasman is on cream paper. But you cannot tell me that the paper of the blue stamp does not look whiter than that of the brown one.
This is where I get confused!
Cheers,
David.
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"If you look at the stamps 'tooler' posted above, the 5/- brown Dampier is on white paper and the 4/- blue Tasman is on cream paper. But you cannot tell me that the paper of the blue stamp does not look whiter than that of the brown one.
This is where I get confused!
"
It is difficult to tell the cream and white paper apart if there is a white background that 'tooler' has shown, you would need to compare the two on a black background.
The 5/- Dampier is the only pre-decimal Navigator that was issued on a thicker cream paper than the rest giving it a much darker appearance to the rest (not white as the white paper was only introduced to the 4/-, 10/-, £1 and £2 issues); the thickness of the paper will make a difference in the shading.
I do have a cream and white paper 4/- Tasman, and you will see the difference; looking from the front can be deceptive, but from the back it is obvious that the stamps have different paper types.
The 4/- Tasman is the only stamp in the pre-decimal Navigator series that is printed on unwatermarked paper.
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Hi David
Here is a cream and white paper of the Tasman 40 cents (I just noticed that I do not have a white 5/- Tasman, will get one in a few days). Both papers of the 4/- is the same as the 40 cent issues.
Cream paper - Front
Cream paper - Back
White paper - Front
White paper - Back
The backs are always a give-away. Also on cream paper the design is darker than the design on white paper.
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The scans of the backs appear to be of the front with the design color almost eliminated. Or do I need new glasses?
Tad
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Ok am I being thick or should the reverse of the images have the print also reversed? The margins should be on the right rather than the left should they not.
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re: 1963 Famous Seafarers -- What the Heck?
He has simply horizontally flipped the images of the back for presentation.
Here is one of them flipped back.
Roy
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copy55555 and sheepshanks, Roy is correct.
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Hi Rob,
Now I have something to go by and can put those stamps into my album! Well the ones I have anyway.
Thanking you.
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"Hi Rob,
Now I have something to go by and can put those stamps into my album! Well the ones I have anyway.
Thanking you."
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Hi David
If you come across an Aussie stamp that is difficult to identify in paper difference, just PM the image(s) and I'll look at it for you.
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"Hi David
If you come across an Aussie stamp that is difficult to identify in paper difference, just PM the image(s) and I'll look at it for you."
Thanks. I started a thread on just these stamps not that long ago. I think I was supposed to upload an image of the back of the stamps but did not get around to it. Looks like I should do that tomorrow and at the same time cross reference a link back to this thread for future reference.
Cheers,
Davod.
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David
The link to your Navigators is provided below.
https://stamporama.com/discboard/disc_main.php?action=20&id=14178#105912
The images are too small to make a proper assessment, this is why the back is important. And what I can make of the bottom images is as follows (the backs will verify if I'm correct):
1) £1 - White
2) £1 - Cream
3) 10/- - Cream
The 5/- as mentioned previously is of a thicker cream paper. I also made a mistake with the front of the cream and white paper, the design on the front of the white paper is actually darker then the cream; the reverse is correct.
If you believe you have two different papers, lay one back half over the other and if they are different it will be noticeable.
I'm going to show this method with some pre-decimal cream and white papers, including other stamp designs.
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