What we collect!

 

Stamporama Discussion Board Logo
For People Who Love To Talk About Stamps
Discussion - Member to Member Sales - Research Center
Stamporama Discussion Board Logo
For People Who Love To Talk About Stamps
Discussion - Member to Member Sales - Research Center
Stamporama Discussion Board Logo
For People Who Love To Talk About Stamps



What we collect!
What we collect!


United States/Covers & Postmarks : Removing paper from back of pen cancelled US classic postage stamps

 

Author
Postings
BlackJack
Members Picture


10 Dec 2016
05:45:45pm
Will the pen cancellation be damaged by soaking the stamp? Is there a better method in todays world.
Like
Login to Like
this post
michael78651

10 Dec 2016
08:18:07pm
re: Removing paper from back of pen cancelled US classic postage stamps

It will depend on the type of ink that was used at the time the stamp was canceled. I have only soaked one such stamp, and the ink did not run.

Like 
1 Member
likes this post.
Login to Like.
BenFranklin1902
Members Picture


Tom in Exton, PA

11 Dec 2016
12:45:11pm
re: Removing paper from back of pen cancelled US classic postage stamps

I consulted a friend of mine who collects old pens. I asked him if all old inks were permanent and I seemed to remember that water soluble inks were designed later on so people could wash ink out of clothing etc. Here's what he said:

"It's tough one, and I'm pretty sure there isn't an unequivocal answer.

Pen inks have generally been at least partially water soluble, i.e water-based solutions, for hundreds of years. However, historically, pen inks have been colored either by dyes, pigments, or a combination. Dye-based inks are generally more readily soluble in water than pigment/particulate based inks, but it's hard to tell what is what. 19th century pens were generally either quills or metal nibs in nib holders. They generally wrote with whatever ink they had, and it ranged from pretty strong stuff to mild diluted ink. So, the question of solubility in water is probably not answerable. You are correct that truly washable ink was a 20th Century item, produced in the (I think 1920's as a marketing item to advance the use of fountain pens as something one can carry around.)

However, a lot of inks used to create permanent impressions contained what is called iron gall, a true ferrous byproduct. English church registries are still clearly legible 1500 years later are so because of the ink. American founding documents were written, it is believed, with ferrous ink. I have some... so your stamp might have been that. "



Like
Login to Like
this post

"Check out my eBay Stuff! Username Turtles-Trading-Post"
        

 

Author/Postings
Members Picture
BlackJack

10 Dec 2016
05:45:45pm

Will the pen cancellation be damaged by soaking the stamp? Is there a better method in todays world.

Like
Login to Like
this post
michael78651

10 Dec 2016
08:18:07pm

re: Removing paper from back of pen cancelled US classic postage stamps

It will depend on the type of ink that was used at the time the stamp was canceled. I have only soaked one such stamp, and the ink did not run.

Like 
1 Member
likes this post.
Login to Like.
Members Picture
BenFranklin1902

Tom in Exton, PA
11 Dec 2016
12:45:11pm

re: Removing paper from back of pen cancelled US classic postage stamps

I consulted a friend of mine who collects old pens. I asked him if all old inks were permanent and I seemed to remember that water soluble inks were designed later on so people could wash ink out of clothing etc. Here's what he said:

"It's tough one, and I'm pretty sure there isn't an unequivocal answer.

Pen inks have generally been at least partially water soluble, i.e water-based solutions, for hundreds of years. However, historically, pen inks have been colored either by dyes, pigments, or a combination. Dye-based inks are generally more readily soluble in water than pigment/particulate based inks, but it's hard to tell what is what. 19th century pens were generally either quills or metal nibs in nib holders. They generally wrote with whatever ink they had, and it ranged from pretty strong stuff to mild diluted ink. So, the question of solubility in water is probably not answerable. You are correct that truly washable ink was a 20th Century item, produced in the (I think 1920's as a marketing item to advance the use of fountain pens as something one can carry around.)

However, a lot of inks used to create permanent impressions contained what is called iron gall, a true ferrous byproduct. English church registries are still clearly legible 1500 years later are so because of the ink. American founding documents were written, it is believed, with ferrous ink. I have some... so your stamp might have been that. "



Like
Login to Like
this post

"Check out my eBay Stuff! Username Turtles-Trading-Post"
        

Contact Webmaster | Visitors Online | Unsubscribe Emails | Facebook


User Agreement

Copyright © 2024 Stamporama.com