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Sales, Swaps, Auction & Approvals/Auction Disc. : Auction Lots - What information is required to list a lot? I"m confused.

 

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daveanddeb

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11 Apr 2017
07:02:01am
Some time back, I decided to list some lots and was promptly swooped down upon for not listing WHICH catalog year I was using. I was showing Scott catalog and apparently the YEAR of the catalog was also required. I was told in no uncertain terms to put the YEAR in the description or else the lots would be removed. OK...if that is a requirement, I can live with that....so long as every other lister is also abiding by the same rules. So this morning, I am looking at what is closing in the next 24 hours and what do I see? I see lots with the country name but no catalog number...no catalog value...no catalog name...and certainly no catalog value. My question is when is a rule a rule..and when is it not?

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11 Apr 2017
08:55:26am
re: Auction Lots - What information is required to list a lot? I"m confused.

Hi Dave,

the rule that was quoted is in effect. In essence, the rule is this: if you quote a value, you must also cite the source from which you take the value. Citations should include catalogue and year. If you don't include any value, no citations are necessary.

Let me know if that answers your concerns sufficiently

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11 Apr 2017
10:15:34am
re: Auction Lots - What information is required to list a lot? I"m confused.

Specifically, Auction Rule C9:

"Catalog and/or reference values must be supported by citing the source and publication year of that value. Value estimations are permitted, but sellers must state the justification for the estimation."

Without the source of the value, the "quoted" value is meaningless. Anyone can put "Catalog value $50.00", and then put a selling price of $15.00 to entice someone to buy it. One sees that on ebay all the time. What value? Where did it come from? When was that value valid? More than likely, the value is out-of-date, and is therefore misleading and useless.

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11 Apr 2017
10:37:58am
re: Auction Lots - What information is required to list a lot? I"m confused.

The best practice is to read all of the rules before listing items for auction.

You wouldn't be in such a huff if you had.

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11 Apr 2017
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re: Auction Lots - What information is required to list a lot? I"m confused.

I do keep a record of rules infractions made by buyers and sellers that I find, or am alerted to by others. I have done this from day one up to and including today.

I find this in some listings:

" Please see scans for condition."



Auction Rule #C8 states:

C8. Reliance on images alone to show defects is not permitted. All lots of single stamps and sets must include, at a minimum, descriptions of all defects. This includes repairs, thins, creases, pulled perforations, scuffs, tears, stains, etc. For large stamp mixtures and collections it is permissible to describe only the overall condition of the lot.

The bottom line here is that if damage is not disclosed in the item title or description, the stamp is considered to be in sound condition. A buyer may file a dispute against a seller for not disclosing damage per the rules. The dispute will be upheld, and the seller will be required to compensate the buyer. through either refund or replacement.

Make sure that your listings are corrected to comply with the rules.

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11 Apr 2017
11:12:22pm
re: Auction Lots - What information is required to list a lot? I"m confused.

Well..thank you, I think. Michael, you quoted "Please see scans for condition" as a problem. I think I say in all my lots that all stamps are free of defects unless specifically stated. I'm not sure why you are quoting this to me. You know, before some of you think that I should read the rules before listing...I find it interesting that with some lots...there are no catalog numbers either....But I'll tell you what...since it is clear that to some sellers...no real information at all is required...I'll just let it go at that.

Here is the exact quote from my lots...why Michael didn't refer to the whole quote..I don't know.

All stamps are as described and are free of defects unless otherwise specified. Please see scans for condition. Thanks!

Michael, Make sure my listed are "corrected" to comply? I am unaware that any of my listings are not in compliance which begs the question as to just why you would say that and give others the impression that there was a problem with any of my lots. I deeply resent this implication.

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re: Auction Lots - What information is required to list a lot? I"m confused.

The information I provided, and my comments did not mention any names. In fact, today, I found such language in more than one seller's listings.

There is no requirement that an auction listing be identified by catalog number.

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daveanddeb

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11 Apr 2017
07:02:01am

Some time back, I decided to list some lots and was promptly swooped down upon for not listing WHICH catalog year I was using. I was showing Scott catalog and apparently the YEAR of the catalog was also required. I was told in no uncertain terms to put the YEAR in the description or else the lots would be removed. OK...if that is a requirement, I can live with that....so long as every other lister is also abiding by the same rules. So this morning, I am looking at what is closing in the next 24 hours and what do I see? I see lots with the country name but no catalog number...no catalog value...no catalog name...and certainly no catalog value. My question is when is a rule a rule..and when is it not?

Thanks!

Dave

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11 Apr 2017
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re: Auction Lots - What information is required to list a lot? I"m confused.

Hi Dave,

the rule that was quoted is in effect. In essence, the rule is this: if you quote a value, you must also cite the source from which you take the value. Citations should include catalogue and year. If you don't include any value, no citations are necessary.

Let me know if that answers your concerns sufficiently

David

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re: Auction Lots - What information is required to list a lot? I"m confused.

Specifically, Auction Rule C9:

"Catalog and/or reference values must be supported by citing the source and publication year of that value. Value estimations are permitted, but sellers must state the justification for the estimation."

Without the source of the value, the "quoted" value is meaningless. Anyone can put "Catalog value $50.00", and then put a selling price of $15.00 to entice someone to buy it. One sees that on ebay all the time. What value? Where did it come from? When was that value valid? More than likely, the value is out-of-date, and is therefore misleading and useless.

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11 Apr 2017
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re: Auction Lots - What information is required to list a lot? I"m confused.

The best practice is to read all of the rules before listing items for auction.

You wouldn't be in such a huff if you had.

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michael78651

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11 Apr 2017
12:16:29pm

re: Auction Lots - What information is required to list a lot? I"m confused.

I do keep a record of rules infractions made by buyers and sellers that I find, or am alerted to by others. I have done this from day one up to and including today.

I find this in some listings:

" Please see scans for condition."



Auction Rule #C8 states:

C8. Reliance on images alone to show defects is not permitted. All lots of single stamps and sets must include, at a minimum, descriptions of all defects. This includes repairs, thins, creases, pulled perforations, scuffs, tears, stains, etc. For large stamp mixtures and collections it is permissible to describe only the overall condition of the lot.

The bottom line here is that if damage is not disclosed in the item title or description, the stamp is considered to be in sound condition. A buyer may file a dispute against a seller for not disclosing damage per the rules. The dispute will be upheld, and the seller will be required to compensate the buyer. through either refund or replacement.

Make sure that your listings are corrected to comply with the rules.

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daveanddeb

http://www.americancollectiblesmuseum.org

11 Apr 2017
11:12:22pm

re: Auction Lots - What information is required to list a lot? I"m confused.

Well..thank you, I think. Michael, you quoted "Please see scans for condition" as a problem. I think I say in all my lots that all stamps are free of defects unless specifically stated. I'm not sure why you are quoting this to me. You know, before some of you think that I should read the rules before listing...I find it interesting that with some lots...there are no catalog numbers either....But I'll tell you what...since it is clear that to some sellers...no real information at all is required...I'll just let it go at that.

Here is the exact quote from my lots...why Michael didn't refer to the whole quote..I don't know.

All stamps are as described and are free of defects unless otherwise specified. Please see scans for condition. Thanks!

Michael, Make sure my listed are "corrected" to comply? I am unaware that any of my listings are not in compliance which begs the question as to just why you would say that and give others the impression that there was a problem with any of my lots. I deeply resent this implication.

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12 Apr 2017
01:01:47am

re: Auction Lots - What information is required to list a lot? I"m confused.

The information I provided, and my comments did not mention any names. In fact, today, I found such language in more than one seller's listings.

There is no requirement that an auction listing be identified by catalog number.

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