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KEVII
KGV
KEVIII
KGVI
QEII
I suspect he has republican leanings as he always refers to the first of the knigs as King Kevin the Second. I know it's meant to annoy the pompous pom, me, but I have taken to calling Queen Victoria's son Edward as King Kevin myself. I think Kevin is well suited as a monarch's name;-)
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Ah, but the third King Kevin was never crowned
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I have to apologize as some took my little joke as a possible attack or otherwise on the American Republican Party. I can state it had no direct US meanings at all and was just a play on Edward 7th's abbreviation in stamp listings for Britain and the Commonwealth. Sorry to anyone unintentionally unhappy. How's that Al?
I will now retire from my short comedy career on StampoRama.
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There's a few people here who have had a humour bypass. Don't take it personally 
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It never fails to amaze me how people jump to conclusions and get upset over one innocent word in a post.
As they say we are separated by a common language.
Which is correct? catalog or catalogue? trunk or boot? fender or bumper? Republican or republican? conservative or Conservative? liberal or Liberal?
Danny please keep your sense of humour and ignore the trolls (guess which meaning of the word trolls I am making my point with)
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Reminds me of "Thin Blue Line" a Rowan Atkinson sitcom from some years back.
One of the characters, Constable Goody, was convinced that the ER in the Royal cypher stood for 'er in the Palace.
As for the Republicans, didn't the Brits Trump the Yanks by a few hundred years, going back to Cromwell if my memory serves me well.
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Elizabeth Regina!!!
God Save The Queen!!
Why?
'cos nobody else will!!
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I think it was a genuine mistake, just a misreading of what was there. My Australian friend says he has no rep****can leanings and is fond of monarchies except for those he doesn't like. I asked in those cases is he a rep****can, but he didn't replied taking what I think they call in the Americas, the fifth. Now on the other hand Edward 5th. or KEV, now known as King Kevin the first, was one of the two young princes murdered in the Tower of London on the orders of the evil King Richard III, KRIII, but this was almost 360 years before the first postage stamp. I suspect postal history for this period is hard to come by and rather expensive.
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" ... God Save The Queen!! ..."
And then there is the punch line of a joke
one of the trinity pilots liked to tell
every time he took us through the North Sea.
" ... Saiv 'er, you cahn't even uh-proach 'er. ..."
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Clive I think we Brits trumped the Yanks back in 1815. The White House still has the bullet holes!!!
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Tell that to the Honorable Major General Sir Edward Pakenham,KCB.
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Actually, you Brits torched Washington, DC in August 1814, and the ghost of George Washington arrived to chase the British Army out!
From the Smithsonian:
August 25, 1814, the day of the invasion had been hot, 100 degrees. With much of the city aflame the next day, British soldiers kept moving through, lighting more fires. They didn’t notice the darkening skies, the thunder and lightning. City residents knew a bad storm was on its way and quickly took shelter. The British, though, had no idea how bad a D.C. storm could get.
The clouds began to swirl and the winds kicked up. A tornado formed in the center of the city and headed straight for the British on Capitol Hill. The twister ripped buildings from their foundations and trees up by the roots. British cannons were tossed around by the winds. Several British troops were killed by falling structures and flying debris.
The rain continued for two hours, dousing the flames. The British decided it was time to leave. Local meteorologists later wrote in their book Washington Weather:
As the British troops were preparing to leave, a conversation was noted between the British Admiral and a Washington lady regarding the storm: The admiral exclaimed, “Great God, Madam! Is this the kind of storm to which you are accustomed in this infernal country?” The lady answered, “No, Sir, this is a special interposition of Providence to drive our enemies from our city.” The admiral replied, “Not so Madam. It is rather to aid your enemies in the destruction of your city.”
Was the admiral right, or did the storm stop the British rampage?
Tornadoes are rare in D.C., which makes the 1814 incident even more amazing. Three struck that day in 1814 (they may have all been the same one, though) and only seven others have been reported since.
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There stamps issued for KVIII though. I thought that was the criteria.
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All it takes these day is one little word in a post and people who only pay half attention just assume..
In another forum I made an innocent comment that some folks don't appreciate Democracy.
Someone immediately assumed I was heaping praise on a political party and complained about me.
How careful we must be these days.
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Unfortunately there are many, many, many aggressive folkies who take things so personal and are so poorly educated that they think their view is the one and only view that matters and any body else that holds an opposing view is entirely wrong and open for ridicule.
In most cases their interpretation of what is being said/portrayed is entirely the opposite of what the person posting is meaning.
Understanding, patience and respect is required.
This does not mean that honest debate should be discouraged.
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So, what regnal name will Prince Charles take? I hear he prefers KGVII. The name Charles has some bad connotations involving Cromwell, etc. So probably no KCIII. It will be odd indeed to see him on stamps, and sad to see QEII no more.
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KEVIII abdicated the throne because he had married a divorced woman. Charles has also since married a divorced woman. I wonder how the QEII feels about that.
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Three cheers for KEVIII abdicating. He was a bad egg all around. Alas, QEII has had to adapt with the changing times, including divorce. I too married a divorced woman, but fortunately have not had to deal with the wrath of an outraged aristocracy.
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cdj1122,
How interesting you use this:
" ... God Save The Queen!! ..."
And then there is the punch line of a joke
one of the trinity pilots liked to tell
every time he took us through the North Sea.
" ... Saiv 'er, you cahn't even uh-proach 'er. ..."
My family has been connected with Trinity House for a couple of generations. Trinity House or as Wikipedia tells me more formally called The Master Wardens and Assistants of the Guild Fraternity or Brotherhood of the most glorious and undivided Trinity and of St. Clement in the Parish of Deptford Strond in the County of Kent, is a private corporation governed under a Royal Charter. Trinity House takes care of England's lighthouses, lightships, buoys and as cdj1122 says supplies the best North Sea pilots. (I think in the US some of these are jobs associated with the Coast Guard, but please correct me if I'm wrong. In England the Coast Guard is a different, non-military organization and I'm not sure what they do except to offer traffic control in the English Channel to stop ships running into each other. Trinity is an English and Welsh corporation as Scotland and Ireland have their own equivalents.)
My grandfather was killed in 1940 during what I think became known as the "Phony War" when the Trinity lightship tender Argus hit a mine in the North Sea and went down with all hands. He left a widow and five children. His youngest son went to sea and eventually became a Master mariner. Tiring of his bachelor life he returned to England and joined Trinity House as an officer on their lightship tenders. After many exams he became a North Sea pilot until his retirement followed by a far too early death. Many merchant mariners will have been impressed by pilots transferring from small boats to the high-sided large merchant vessels in the roughest of North Sea weather.
To keep this post sufficiently philatelic below is an Alderney stamp with the Trinty lightship tender Patricia on it. Trinity reuses ships names as they retire the old ships so this isn't the "Pat" that I fished off as a boy while it was moored in the "Stream" off Harwich. That one ended up as floating restaurant in Sweden. A beautiful boat with polished wooden decks that always sailed in front of the Royal Yacht in Naval reviews.
Here's the sting in tail cdj1122, I also spent far too many years working in the North Sea. (Any period more than one year is far too many unless you could limit it to just a month in the middle of summer.) All the work I did in the North Sea and other parts of the world afterwards was for companies from Dallas, Houston and even from your home town of Richmond, Texas. (That was Western Geophysical as I remember their address included Richmond although we always talked about it as Houston.)
I know lighthouses are a popular topical/thematic collecting theme, but how about lightships and their tenders? The lightships are disappearing now and being replaced by larger buoys with all the latest electronic controls. It could be an interesting collection. Maybe if I ever finish my DC-3 collection and book I will give it a go. Here's one that would make a good start.
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smauggie, you are quite right, stamps were issued under KEVIII. King Kevin the Third will know join my collection of Kevins.
I was hoping to find a real King Kevin, or Kev as my Australian friend would say. I thought there must be at least one in Irish history, after all we, (I'm claiming the 'we' on behalf of two of my grandparents having Irish heritage, Shines and Driscolls), had kings with names like the famous Brian Boru. Still haven't found a Kevin though.
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The Gaelic equivalent of Kevin is Caoimhín. I haven't found a king yet, but it's meaning is 'of noble birth' so it would be a fitting name for Charles to take on accession to the throne.
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King Kevin is a fair to middling British race horse.
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King Edward VIII was actually called David, and King George VI was actually called Albert.
I think that there are political (with a small p), and traditional elements in choosing the Kings name, with historical connotations taken into account, and names which are too obviously connected with Scotland or Wales ( like David or Malcolm) are unlikely. Names associated too closely with pre-union England are similarly out ( arguably the best King ever was Alfred, but as a Saxon ruler of the Kingdom of Wessex that is also out).
The problem with Charles ( and James for that matter ) is that the 2 we have had so far were of the Stuart dynasty, a particularly stubborn bunch of not very bright individuals a new king wouldn't want to be associated with, and two of the Stuarts were dispensed with, one by execution and the other deposed for having Catholic tendencies( as head of the Anglican communion the monarch and his/her spouse cannot by law be a Roman Catholic).
Of all the other monarchs name's there have been skeletons in at least one of the Royal cupboards of all of them, so it will probably be George or Edward again, with Henry as an outsider.
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I would like King William or Phillip but I am just an American.
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There are plenty of rumours on it being George. Charles strangely enough ia an admirer of the Hanoverian King Georges especially Mad King George, the third of the Georges, under whose reign Britain lost most of its American colonies in some silly war sometimes called the War of Independence. Still too early for postage stamps so we can safely ignore this period.
George III was followed by another George and a William, the fourth with this name, and commonly called the Sailor King, coming to the throne late and unexpectedly as a younger brother of George IV after a career in the Royal Navy. (The first William was the Conqueror who led the Norman military coup in 1066.) William IV's niece becomes the important figure because as Queen Victoria we see the first postage stamp in 1840 which has her head on it.
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I think William is unlikely, at least for as long as Northern Ireland remains in the Union, as this has negative connotations for the minority in the province. George is definitely the favourite, as domestically there are less negative vibes - apart from George I upsetting the Highland Scots through preventing 2 more of the stubborn Stuarts reclaiming the throne - contemporary accounts portray the pretenders as just as stubborn and dim as their forebears - and Catholic to boot !
The other alternative is to use a name which has never been used before, although there are not many "sensible" names which do not have some negativity attached.
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So Malcolm, King Kevin I it is, just so my Australian friend is happy. That would be KKI in the listings, not KEVI as he would like
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Slight problem. He would be KK. He would only be KK1, once there is a KK2 !
John,Stephen,Anne and Victoria don't have a 1.
A bit of pedantic royal etiquette there.
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Malcolm, quite correct. Even if he decided on Edward that would be KEIX so no more KEVs
Luckily I think K was not used in Roman numerals so we wouldn't get a third K if there were lots KKs.
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I have an Australian friend who when we are looking at lists of British and Commonwealth stamps always makes me chuckle. They are the lists that refer to the monarchs by shorthand like this:
QV
KEVII
KGV
KEVIII
KGVI
QEII
I suspect he has republican leanings as he always refers to the first of the knigs as King Kevin the Second. I know it's meant to annoy the pompous pom, me, but I have taken to calling Queen Victoria's son Edward as King Kevin myself. I think Kevin is well suited as a monarch's name;-)
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Ah, but the third King Kevin was never crowned
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I have to apologize as some took my little joke as a possible attack or otherwise on the American Republican Party. I can state it had no direct US meanings at all and was just a play on Edward 7th's abbreviation in stamp listings for Britain and the Commonwealth. Sorry to anyone unintentionally unhappy. How's that Al?
I will now retire from my short comedy career on StampoRama.
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There's a few people here who have had a humour bypass. Don't take it personally
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It never fails to amaze me how people jump to conclusions and get upset over one innocent word in a post.
As they say we are separated by a common language.
Which is correct? catalog or catalogue? trunk or boot? fender or bumper? Republican or republican? conservative or Conservative? liberal or Liberal?
Danny please keep your sense of humour and ignore the trolls (guess which meaning of the word trolls I am making my point with)
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Reminds me of "Thin Blue Line" a Rowan Atkinson sitcom from some years back.
One of the characters, Constable Goody, was convinced that the ER in the Royal cypher stood for 'er in the Palace.
As for the Republicans, didn't the Brits Trump the Yanks by a few hundred years, going back to Cromwell if my memory serves me well.
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Elizabeth Regina!!!
God Save The Queen!!
Why?
'cos nobody else will!!
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I think it was a genuine mistake, just a misreading of what was there. My Australian friend says he has no rep****can leanings and is fond of monarchies except for those he doesn't like. I asked in those cases is he a rep****can, but he didn't replied taking what I think they call in the Americas, the fifth. Now on the other hand Edward 5th. or KEV, now known as King Kevin the first, was one of the two young princes murdered in the Tower of London on the orders of the evil King Richard III, KRIII, but this was almost 360 years before the first postage stamp. I suspect postal history for this period is hard to come by and rather expensive.
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" ... God Save The Queen!! ..."
And then there is the punch line of a joke
one of the trinity pilots liked to tell
every time he took us through the North Sea.
" ... Saiv 'er, you cahn't even uh-proach 'er. ..."
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Clive I think we Brits trumped the Yanks back in 1815. The White House still has the bullet holes!!!
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Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
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Tell that to the Honorable Major General Sir Edward Pakenham,KCB.
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Actually, you Brits torched Washington, DC in August 1814, and the ghost of George Washington arrived to chase the British Army out!
From the Smithsonian:
August 25, 1814, the day of the invasion had been hot, 100 degrees. With much of the city aflame the next day, British soldiers kept moving through, lighting more fires. They didn’t notice the darkening skies, the thunder and lightning. City residents knew a bad storm was on its way and quickly took shelter. The British, though, had no idea how bad a D.C. storm could get.
The clouds began to swirl and the winds kicked up. A tornado formed in the center of the city and headed straight for the British on Capitol Hill. The twister ripped buildings from their foundations and trees up by the roots. British cannons were tossed around by the winds. Several British troops were killed by falling structures and flying debris.
The rain continued for two hours, dousing the flames. The British decided it was time to leave. Local meteorologists later wrote in their book Washington Weather:
As the British troops were preparing to leave, a conversation was noted between the British Admiral and a Washington lady regarding the storm: The admiral exclaimed, “Great God, Madam! Is this the kind of storm to which you are accustomed in this infernal country?” The lady answered, “No, Sir, this is a special interposition of Providence to drive our enemies from our city.” The admiral replied, “Not so Madam. It is rather to aid your enemies in the destruction of your city.”
Was the admiral right, or did the storm stop the British rampage?
Tornadoes are rare in D.C., which makes the 1814 incident even more amazing. Three struck that day in 1814 (they may have all been the same one, though) and only seven others have been reported since.
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There stamps issued for KVIII though. I thought that was the criteria.
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All it takes these day is one little word in a post and people who only pay half attention just assume..
In another forum I made an innocent comment that some folks don't appreciate Democracy.
Someone immediately assumed I was heaping praise on a political party and complained about me.
How careful we must be these days.
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Snick
Unfortunately there are many, many, many aggressive folkies who take things so personal and are so poorly educated that they think their view is the one and only view that matters and any body else that holds an opposing view is entirely wrong and open for ridicule.
In most cases their interpretation of what is being said/portrayed is entirely the opposite of what the person posting is meaning.
Understanding, patience and respect is required.
This does not mean that honest debate should be discouraged.
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So, what regnal name will Prince Charles take? I hear he prefers KGVII. The name Charles has some bad connotations involving Cromwell, etc. So probably no KCIII. It will be odd indeed to see him on stamps, and sad to see QEII no more.
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KEVIII abdicated the throne because he had married a divorced woman. Charles has also since married a divorced woman. I wonder how the QEII feels about that.
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Three cheers for KEVIII abdicating. He was a bad egg all around. Alas, QEII has had to adapt with the changing times, including divorce. I too married a divorced woman, but fortunately have not had to deal with the wrath of an outraged aristocracy.
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cdj1122,
How interesting you use this:
" ... God Save The Queen!! ..."
And then there is the punch line of a joke
one of the trinity pilots liked to tell
every time he took us through the North Sea.
" ... Saiv 'er, you cahn't even uh-proach 'er. ..."
My family has been connected with Trinity House for a couple of generations. Trinity House or as Wikipedia tells me more formally called The Master Wardens and Assistants of the Guild Fraternity or Brotherhood of the most glorious and undivided Trinity and of St. Clement in the Parish of Deptford Strond in the County of Kent, is a private corporation governed under a Royal Charter. Trinity House takes care of England's lighthouses, lightships, buoys and as cdj1122 says supplies the best North Sea pilots. (I think in the US some of these are jobs associated with the Coast Guard, but please correct me if I'm wrong. In England the Coast Guard is a different, non-military organization and I'm not sure what they do except to offer traffic control in the English Channel to stop ships running into each other. Trinity is an English and Welsh corporation as Scotland and Ireland have their own equivalents.)
My grandfather was killed in 1940 during what I think became known as the "Phony War" when the Trinity lightship tender Argus hit a mine in the North Sea and went down with all hands. He left a widow and five children. His youngest son went to sea and eventually became a Master mariner. Tiring of his bachelor life he returned to England and joined Trinity House as an officer on their lightship tenders. After many exams he became a North Sea pilot until his retirement followed by a far too early death. Many merchant mariners will have been impressed by pilots transferring from small boats to the high-sided large merchant vessels in the roughest of North Sea weather.
To keep this post sufficiently philatelic below is an Alderney stamp with the Trinty lightship tender Patricia on it. Trinity reuses ships names as they retire the old ships so this isn't the "Pat" that I fished off as a boy while it was moored in the "Stream" off Harwich. That one ended up as floating restaurant in Sweden. A beautiful boat with polished wooden decks that always sailed in front of the Royal Yacht in Naval reviews.
Here's the sting in tail cdj1122, I also spent far too many years working in the North Sea. (Any period more than one year is far too many unless you could limit it to just a month in the middle of summer.) All the work I did in the North Sea and other parts of the world afterwards was for companies from Dallas, Houston and even from your home town of Richmond, Texas. (That was Western Geophysical as I remember their address included Richmond although we always talked about it as Houston.)
I know lighthouses are a popular topical/thematic collecting theme, but how about lightships and their tenders? The lightships are disappearing now and being replaced by larger buoys with all the latest electronic controls. It could be an interesting collection. Maybe if I ever finish my DC-3 collection and book I will give it a go. Here's one that would make a good start.
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smauggie, you are quite right, stamps were issued under KEVIII. King Kevin the Third will know join my collection of Kevins.
I was hoping to find a real King Kevin, or Kev as my Australian friend would say. I thought there must be at least one in Irish history, after all we, (I'm claiming the 'we' on behalf of two of my grandparents having Irish heritage, Shines and Driscolls), had kings with names like the famous Brian Boru. Still haven't found a Kevin though.
EDIT:
The Gaelic equivalent of Kevin is Caoimhín. I haven't found a king yet, but it's meaning is 'of noble birth' so it would be a fitting name for Charles to take on accession to the throne.
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King Kevin is a fair to middling British race horse.
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King Edward VIII was actually called David, and King George VI was actually called Albert.
I think that there are political (with a small p), and traditional elements in choosing the Kings name, with historical connotations taken into account, and names which are too obviously connected with Scotland or Wales ( like David or Malcolm) are unlikely. Names associated too closely with pre-union England are similarly out ( arguably the best King ever was Alfred, but as a Saxon ruler of the Kingdom of Wessex that is also out).
The problem with Charles ( and James for that matter ) is that the 2 we have had so far were of the Stuart dynasty, a particularly stubborn bunch of not very bright individuals a new king wouldn't want to be associated with, and two of the Stuarts were dispensed with, one by execution and the other deposed for having Catholic tendencies( as head of the Anglican communion the monarch and his/her spouse cannot by law be a Roman Catholic).
Of all the other monarchs name's there have been skeletons in at least one of the Royal cupboards of all of them, so it will probably be George or Edward again, with Henry as an outsider.
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I would like King William or Phillip but I am just an American.
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There are plenty of rumours on it being George. Charles strangely enough ia an admirer of the Hanoverian King Georges especially Mad King George, the third of the Georges, under whose reign Britain lost most of its American colonies in some silly war sometimes called the War of Independence. Still too early for postage stamps so we can safely ignore this period.
George III was followed by another George and a William, the fourth with this name, and commonly called the Sailor King, coming to the throne late and unexpectedly as a younger brother of George IV after a career in the Royal Navy. (The first William was the Conqueror who led the Norman military coup in 1066.) William IV's niece becomes the important figure because as Queen Victoria we see the first postage stamp in 1840 which has her head on it.
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I think William is unlikely, at least for as long as Northern Ireland remains in the Union, as this has negative connotations for the minority in the province. George is definitely the favourite, as domestically there are less negative vibes - apart from George I upsetting the Highland Scots through preventing 2 more of the stubborn Stuarts reclaiming the throne - contemporary accounts portray the pretenders as just as stubborn and dim as their forebears - and Catholic to boot !
The other alternative is to use a name which has never been used before, although there are not many "sensible" names which do not have some negativity attached.
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So Malcolm, King Kevin I it is, just so my Australian friend is happy. That would be KKI in the listings, not KEVI as he would like
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Slight problem. He would be KK. He would only be KK1, once there is a KK2 !
John,Stephen,Anne and Victoria don't have a 1.
A bit of pedantic royal etiquette there.
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Malcolm, quite correct. Even if he decided on Edward that would be KEIX so no more KEVs
Luckily I think K was not used in Roman numerals so we wouldn't get a third K if there were lots KKs.
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