Discussion - Member to Member Sales - Research Center
Discussion - Member to Member Sales - Research Center
04:00:20am
To me a perfect SOTN would have virtually the entire circular cancellation on the stamp near center. The cancel ought to be clear enough that the place f cancelation as well as the date readable. An acceptable Sotn would have most of the cancellation on the stamp and meet the aforementioned legibility standard, except of course where nineteenth century fancy cancellers were standard.
Lately I have seen some stamps described as Sotns where barely half the circular cancel is on the stamp. And I think I remember a few weeks ago seeing a stamp with it being described as an SOTN that had little more than a quarter of the cancel on the stamp.
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I can't see a debate here, just sellers adding a nice searchable "SOTN" to their listings.
These are SOTN. Anything else isn't.
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"Pardon my ignorance" but I assume that SOTN is an acronim for something.
Please explain for us, the great unwashed and uneducated masses.
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It is the title - socked on the nose!
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As said on numerous occasions, we are separated by a common language!!
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It's always been SON to me also. I have only very rarely seen it abbreviated as SOTN.
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According to "The Stamp Collector's Encyclopedia" by R.J. Sutton:
"'Socked on the nose' is a USA colloquialism defining a stamp with a centered, legible, and full town and date cancel."
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I learned it as SOTN - Socked On The Nose - from Pat Herst.
As the OP says, that's not SOTSOTF (Socked On The Side Of The Face), or BOTE (Boxed On The Ear).
When the CDS is part-on part-off, the correct descriptor is "tied".
Cheers,
/s/ ikeyPikey
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An eBay search for "SON" in the stamps category yielded 9,228 items. A search for "SOTN" returned 9,230. I couldn't have made that up if I tried!
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11:39:00pm
That is what I thought.
Then here are sellers on SoR that do not understand that any thing less is false advertising, akin to putting up a stamp MNH that has a hinge still firmly attached, or a perf 11 x 10 that is clearly perf 8.
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"An eBay search for "SON" in the stamps category yielded 9,228 items. A search for "SOTN" returned 9,230. I couldn't have made that up if I tried!"
That is so awesome!
Did we just decide that tie goes to the runner? (Which really isn't a rule after all).
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Charlie, stamp terminology has been bastardized so much over the centuries of collecting that the hobby terminology means different things to each collector despite what the different catalogs (which are rather consistent with each other) describe/define. In addition, many people don't take the time to read the catalogs beyond the catalog numbers and values.
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10:17:41am
" ... many people don't take the time to read the catalogs
beyond the catalog numbers and values. ..."
Don't I know that. If newbies were to read the intros
I bet half the questions being asked would be answered.
Fortunately most of the mis-identified SOTNs seem to be
very inexpensive stamps that are hardly worth worrying about.
I just wondered what other members thought about it.
And perhaps some members having read the discussion
will be more particular in their descriptions.
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"... An eBay search for "SON" in the stamps category yielded 9,228 items ..."
CAUTION: homonyms may be closer than they appear.
Cheers,
/s/ ikeyPikey
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I think these qualify.
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yes, dealers will try anything to sell! I agree with the definition of SOTN, anything less is just a cancelled stamp. I also like them to be in the proper time period. With us all using up the vast hoard of old mint stamps, having 1950s commemoratives with 2018 postmarks on them just don't work for me!
My peeve.. dealers who list every old cover as "small town cancel".... Jersey City and Newark, NJ are not small towns. Geographically challenged dealers!
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Things of the past; for Canada at least.
How can one fit a 6x6cm cancellation on a 1x1cm stamp? Impossible.
For many years the postal authorities have shown their complete ignorance for what a collector may want.
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12:31:08am
For many years the postal authorities have shown
their complete ignorance for what a collector may want.
That is because they consider their mission moving the
mail swiftly and efficiently, not satisfying collectors.
We can see examples all over the world of agencies who,
to satisfy collection fads, reverse those goals, the
worst being quite a few who print cancelled stamps
strictly for collectors and stamps that rarely get a
genuine cancellation, making their issues little more
than Jam Jar Labels and contrived collector trinkets.
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When they ignore us, they're cads.
When they cater to us, they're thieves.
Where's Goldilocks, now that we need her?
Cheers,
/s/ ikeyPikey
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Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
05 Nov 2018
04:00:20am
I've noticed something lately and wonder what do the members feel is the definition of a Sotn?
To me a perfect SOTN would have virtually the entire circular cancellation on the stamp near center. The cancel ought to be clear enough that the place f cancelation as well as the date readable. An acceptable Sotn would have most of the cancellation on the stamp and meet the aforementioned legibility standard, except of course where nineteenth century fancy cancellers were standard.
Lately I have seen some stamps described as Sotns where barely half the circular cancel is on the stamp. And I think I remember a few weeks ago seeing a stamp with it being described as an SOTN that had little more than a quarter of the cancel on the stamp.
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re: Socked on the nose ???
I can't see a debate here, just sellers adding a nice searchable "SOTN" to their listings.
These are SOTN. Anything else isn't.
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02:50:03pm
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re: Socked on the nose ???
"Pardon my ignorance" but I assume that SOTN is an acronim for something.
Please explain for us, the great unwashed and uneducated masses.
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re: Socked on the nose ???
It is the title - socked on the nose!
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03:21:46pm
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re: Socked on the nose ???
As said on numerous occasions, we are separated by a common language!!
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re: Socked on the nose ???
It's always been SON to me also. I have only very rarely seen it abbreviated as SOTN.
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05:35:34pm
re: Socked on the nose ???
According to "The Stamp Collector's Encyclopedia" by R.J. Sutton:
"'Socked on the nose' is a USA colloquialism defining a stamp with a centered, legible, and full town and date cancel."
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re: Socked on the nose ???
I learned it as SOTN - Socked On The Nose - from Pat Herst.
As the OP says, that's not SOTSOTF (Socked On The Side Of The Face), or BOTE (Boxed On The Ear).
When the CDS is part-on part-off, the correct descriptor is "tied".
Cheers,
/s/ ikeyPikey
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09:50:49pm
re: Socked on the nose ???
An eBay search for "SON" in the stamps category yielded 9,228 items. A search for "SOTN" returned 9,230. I couldn't have made that up if I tried!
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Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
05 Nov 2018
11:39:00pm
re: Socked on the nose ???
That is what I thought.
Then here are sellers on SoR that do not understand that any thing less is false advertising, akin to putting up a stamp MNH that has a hinge still firmly attached, or a perf 11 x 10 that is clearly perf 8.
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re: Socked on the nose ???
"An eBay search for "SON" in the stamps category yielded 9,228 items. A search for "SOTN" returned 9,230. I couldn't have made that up if I tried!"
That is so awesome!
Did we just decide that tie goes to the runner? (Which really isn't a rule after all).
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08:32:45am
re: Socked on the nose ???
Charlie, stamp terminology has been bastardized so much over the centuries of collecting that the hobby terminology means different things to each collector despite what the different catalogs (which are rather consistent with each other) describe/define. In addition, many people don't take the time to read the catalogs beyond the catalog numbers and values.
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Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
06 Nov 2018
10:17:41am
re: Socked on the nose ???
" ... many people don't take the time to read the catalogs
beyond the catalog numbers and values. ..."
Don't I know that. If newbies were to read the intros
I bet half the questions being asked would be answered.
Fortunately most of the mis-identified SOTNs seem to be
very inexpensive stamps that are hardly worth worrying about.
I just wondered what other members thought about it.
And perhaps some members having read the discussion
will be more particular in their descriptions.
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re: Socked on the nose ???
"... An eBay search for "SON" in the stamps category yielded 9,228 items ..."
CAUTION: homonyms may be closer than they appear.
Cheers,
/s/ ikeyPikey
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re: Socked on the nose ???
I think these qualify.
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re: Socked on the nose ???
yes, dealers will try anything to sell! I agree with the definition of SOTN, anything less is just a cancelled stamp. I also like them to be in the proper time period. With us all using up the vast hoard of old mint stamps, having 1950s commemoratives with 2018 postmarks on them just don't work for me!
My peeve.. dealers who list every old cover as "small town cancel".... Jersey City and Newark, NJ are not small towns. Geographically challenged dealers!
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re: Socked on the nose ???
Things of the past; for Canada at least.
How can one fit a 6x6cm cancellation on a 1x1cm stamp? Impossible.
For many years the postal authorities have shown their complete ignorance for what a collector may want.
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Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
13 Nov 2018
12:31:08am
re: Socked on the nose ???
For many years the postal authorities have shown
their complete ignorance for what a collector may want.
That is because they consider their mission moving the
mail swiftly and efficiently, not satisfying collectors.
We can see examples all over the world of agencies who,
to satisfy collection fads, reverse those goals, the
worst being quite a few who print cancelled stamps
strictly for collectors and stamps that rarely get a
genuine cancellation, making their issues little more
than Jam Jar Labels and contrived collector trinkets.
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re: Socked on the nose ???
When they ignore us, they're cads.
When they cater to us, they're thieves.
Where's Goldilocks, now that we need her?
Cheers,
/s/ ikeyPikey
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