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If a registered letter to another country is lost, what it is covered by Postal Service?
What would be the process to open a claim and what can be claimed in case that in the letter were stamps?
On form 3806 there is a space where the customer must declare full value. But anytime I enter something there, recently the Postal Clark overwrites it with 0.
I would be interested to get some answers from people who had this problem.
Thanks, Virgil
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Go to:
https://about.usps.com/forms/ps3806.pdf
The back of Form 3806 includes directions for filing a loss claim on international registered mail. Please note that the amount of coverage and other limitations are on a country by country basis.
I do not believe that your clerk should be changing declared value to -0- / hopefully someone else will chime in later today.
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I am not hopeful that the USPS will pay you a dime if they can show, by chain-of-custody, that your registered article was passed to another postal service.
When I was a letter carrier, back in the day, Foreign Registered found in the regular mail stream (eg being processed as unregistered) was not taken seriously ... presumably because USPS management knew that no liability attached, one way or the other.
My *guess* is that the other guys return the favor, and I wait with 'bated breath to learn what happens next.
Cheers,
/s/ ikeyPikey
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My experience to Germany from USA on registered is: lost is lost. Good luck.......
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"I am not hopeful that the USPS will pay you a dime if they can show, by chain-of-custody, that your registered article was passed to another postal service."
This should not be the case. If the "other postal service" cannot prove the registered letter was delivered they must be liable to the country the letter originated from.
Here in Canada I believe I can declare a value of $100 on a letter and I would probably collect the $100 if the letter is lost.
Why else would I pay $20 for registered delivery? !!!!!
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"... Why else would I pay $20 for registered delivery? !!!!! ..."
Because Registered Mail is just that: Registered.
It travels separately from the regular mail stream, and each piece is signed for each time it changes hands, which bestows a certain level of protection against pilfering & mishandling, and that is what you are paying for.
Indemnity varies by the postal service in the country-of-origin, which is the party with whom you entered into a contract.
USPS links:
What is Registered Mail® International?
"The indemnity limit for all destination countries changes each year and can be found in the International Mail Manual (IMM) section 333.2."
International Mail Manual (IMM) section 333.2
"When mail is registered internationally and is inbound for the United States, it will be handled in the domestic First-Class Mail mailstream from the point that USPS obtains it until it reaches the local Postal Office responsible for mail delivery. The recipient must sign a delivery receipt at the time of delivery."
Cheers,
/s/ ikeyPikey
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That last section 333.2 has caused issues with international registered mail. Canada refuses to treat registered mail form the US as anything but first class mail, and refuses to accept a signature for delivery. Other nations may follow the same practice since we have refused to treat incoming international registered mail as registered mail. Basically, international registered mail from or to the United States is worthless.
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" .... Basically, international registered mail from or to the United States is worthless. ...."
Worthless except perhaps to mail thieves.
There is nothing that saves them time like waving a Red flag and pointing to an envelope. That is why so many US, CDN., and UK. sellers have a list of nations they choose not to deal with. Inbound US mailn is pretty safe anyway for first class mail.
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"It travels separately from the regular mail stream, and each piece is signed for each time it changes hands, which bestows a certain level of protection against pilfering & mishandling, and that is what you are paying for."
Sorry but if I do not get compensation for a lost or stolen registered letter I would not pay a dime for any registration.
Likewise, if there are no repercussions for the office that lost the letter, I see no point in any bar codes, scanning and what not which only slows down an item.
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I always assumed registered was really to prove you sent the thing. If it was valuable then insurance is what you wanted. Back in days of yore - pre-internet when i played a lot of postal chess I often used and received registered mail from about anywhere on the planet. It always arrived pretty much, perhaps because it was nothing but a postcard or a small card in an envelope. If your opponent went silent - registered receipts were what you used eventually claim a default win.
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I opened this tread here, because I did not find a better place.
If a registered letter to another country is lost, what it is covered by Postal Service?
What would be the process to open a claim and what can be claimed in case that in the letter were stamps?
On form 3806 there is a space where the customer must declare full value. But anytime I enter something there, recently the Postal Clark overwrites it with 0.
I would be interested to get some answers from people who had this problem.
Thanks, Virgil
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02:51:40pm
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re: Lost of registered letter
Go to:
https://about.usps.com/forms/ps3806.pdf
The back of Form 3806 includes directions for filing a loss claim on international registered mail. Please note that the amount of coverage and other limitations are on a country by country basis.
I do not believe that your clerk should be changing declared value to -0- / hopefully someone else will chime in later today.
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I am not hopeful that the USPS will pay you a dime if they can show, by chain-of-custody, that your registered article was passed to another postal service.
When I was a letter carrier, back in the day, Foreign Registered found in the regular mail stream (eg being processed as unregistered) was not taken seriously ... presumably because USPS management knew that no liability attached, one way or the other.
My *guess* is that the other guys return the favor, and I wait with 'bated breath to learn what happens next.
Cheers,
/s/ ikeyPikey
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My experience to Germany from USA on registered is: lost is lost. Good luck.......
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"I am not hopeful that the USPS will pay you a dime if they can show, by chain-of-custody, that your registered article was passed to another postal service."
This should not be the case. If the "other postal service" cannot prove the registered letter was delivered they must be liable to the country the letter originated from.
Here in Canada I believe I can declare a value of $100 on a letter and I would probably collect the $100 if the letter is lost.
Why else would I pay $20 for registered delivery? !!!!!
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re: Lost of registered letter
"... Why else would I pay $20 for registered delivery? !!!!! ..."
Because Registered Mail is just that: Registered.
It travels separately from the regular mail stream, and each piece is signed for each time it changes hands, which bestows a certain level of protection against pilfering & mishandling, and that is what you are paying for.
Indemnity varies by the postal service in the country-of-origin, which is the party with whom you entered into a contract.
USPS links:
What is Registered Mail® International?
"The indemnity limit for all destination countries changes each year and can be found in the International Mail Manual (IMM) section 333.2."
International Mail Manual (IMM) section 333.2
"When mail is registered internationally and is inbound for the United States, it will be handled in the domestic First-Class Mail mailstream from the point that USPS obtains it until it reaches the local Postal Office responsible for mail delivery. The recipient must sign a delivery receipt at the time of delivery."
Cheers,
/s/ ikeyPikey
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10:49:02pm
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That last section 333.2 has caused issues with international registered mail. Canada refuses to treat registered mail form the US as anything but first class mail, and refuses to accept a signature for delivery. Other nations may follow the same practice since we have refused to treat incoming international registered mail as registered mail. Basically, international registered mail from or to the United States is worthless.
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re: Lost of registered letter
" .... Basically, international registered mail from or to the United States is worthless. ...."
Worthless except perhaps to mail thieves.
There is nothing that saves them time like waving a Red flag and pointing to an envelope. That is why so many US, CDN., and UK. sellers have a list of nations they choose not to deal with. Inbound US mailn is pretty safe anyway for first class mail.
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re: Lost of registered letter
"It travels separately from the regular mail stream, and each piece is signed for each time it changes hands, which bestows a certain level of protection against pilfering & mishandling, and that is what you are paying for."
Sorry but if I do not get compensation for a lost or stolen registered letter I would not pay a dime for any registration.
Likewise, if there are no repercussions for the office that lost the letter, I see no point in any bar codes, scanning and what not which only slows down an item.
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07:38:03am
re: Lost of registered letter
I always assumed registered was really to prove you sent the thing. If it was valuable then insurance is what you wanted. Back in days of yore - pre-internet when i played a lot of postal chess I often used and received registered mail from about anywhere on the planet. It always arrived pretty much, perhaps because it was nothing but a postcard or a small card in an envelope. If your opponent went silent - registered receipts were what you used eventually claim a default win.
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