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General Philatelic/Gen. Discussion : "c d cancel" meaning

 

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Kool

20 Oct 2020
11:51:09am

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On many stamps in a recent APS approval book, individual stamps are noted as having "c d cancel" These used stamps clearly are not CTO cancelations but instead have a variety of different city cancelations. They are all from French colony stamps. What is this notation?
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20 Oct 2020
11:54:38am
re: "c d cancel" meaning

Typically means 'Circular Date' cancel.
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20 Oct 2020
12:07:38pm
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If you "google" this it says that CD cancel (circular date) is the same as "Bullseye cancel". I associate bullseye with multiple concentric circles, not usually with the date inside. Does anyone have an opinion?

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20 Oct 2020
12:20:58pm
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Hi Harvey,

I'm used to a "CDS" cancellation being a Circular Date Stamp so a stamp with a CDS has part or all of one of these postmarks.

On the other hand a "bullseye" cancellation is one that is more or less centred on the stamp.

Usually the bullseye is a CDS but it could be any small postmark that is centred on the stamp.

A bullseye postmark would then be equivalent to a "SON" (socked on the nose) postmark.

Yes, I have seen postmarks from New York etc. with concentric circles described as "bullseye" or "target" postmarks so I guess it depends what you collect and what terminology you prefer.

Of course others may well use quite different definitions. Happy

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20 Oct 2020
01:53:42pm

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On French stamps, Y & T refers to them as "cachet a date", and they come in several varieties. I was not familiar with the cd abbreviated notation before. Thumbs Up
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20 Oct 2020
01:59:38pm

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re: "c d cancel" meaning

i normally see CDS as well, for Circular Date Stamp, which refers to strike from a device

SON refers to the placement of a strike on the stamp, and usually requires, at a minimum, that the location and full date be visible and fairly well centered on the stamp.

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Kool

20 Oct 2020
02:12:14pm

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Thanks so much and that was such a quick response. All makes sense since all those cancelations were circular at least in part. Thanks again.

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20 Oct 2020
03:17:59pm
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I learned something today. I always assumed a bullseye cancellation was the cancellation made up of concentric circles, usually not containing a date. I really didn't think it was the same as a "socked on the nose" cancellation. I even Googled "bullseye cancellation" to make sure and I was definitely out to lunch (again!!).

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Brechinite

20 Oct 2020
04:00:18pm
re: "c d cancel" meaning

"I always assumed a bullseye cancellation was the cancellation made up of concentric circles, usually not containing a date."



Harvey I'm with you on this.

That is what I was taught back in the day when Noah was a boy!!

A cds cancel has the date in the middle.

Its just another example of non standardisation of philatelic terms throughout the world and as a Brit the rest of the world should follow us and stop mucking around with their own interpretations..

Well we Brits did invent the adhesive postage stamp!!

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20 Oct 2020
04:40:59pm
re: "c d cancel" meaning

Ian said "Well the Brits did invent the adhesive postage stamp".
I say that we are now "stuck with it"! Big Grin
So, we stick with the adhesive stamp! Applause
Enjoy our hobby and all stick together! Rolling On The Floor Laughing

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21 Oct 2020
12:48:19am
re: "c d cancel" meaning

My description of the cancel on this cut square would be SOTN (Socked on the Nose) four-ring bullseye. A tiny fraction of the circular date stamp (CDS) is visible at the left edge of the cut square.

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Kool

20 Oct 2020
11:51:09am

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On many stamps in a recent APS approval book, individual stamps are noted as having "c d cancel" These used stamps clearly are not CTO cancelations but instead have a variety of different city cancelations. They are all from French colony stamps. What is this notation?

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20 Oct 2020
11:54:38am

re: "c d cancel" meaning

Typically means 'Circular Date' cancel.
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20 Oct 2020
12:07:38pm

re: "c d cancel" meaning

If you "google" this it says that CD cancel (circular date) is the same as "Bullseye cancel". I associate bullseye with multiple concentric circles, not usually with the date inside. Does anyone have an opinion?

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20 Oct 2020
12:20:58pm

re: "c d cancel" meaning

Hi Harvey,

I'm used to a "CDS" cancellation being a Circular Date Stamp so a stamp with a CDS has part or all of one of these postmarks.

On the other hand a "bullseye" cancellation is one that is more or less centred on the stamp.

Usually the bullseye is a CDS but it could be any small postmark that is centred on the stamp.

A bullseye postmark would then be equivalent to a "SON" (socked on the nose) postmark.

Yes, I have seen postmarks from New York etc. with concentric circles described as "bullseye" or "target" postmarks so I guess it depends what you collect and what terminology you prefer.

Of course others may well use quite different definitions. Happy

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20 Oct 2020
01:53:42pm

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re: "c d cancel" meaning

On French stamps, Y & T refers to them as "cachet a date", and they come in several varieties. I was not familiar with the cd abbreviated notation before. Thumbs Up
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20 Oct 2020
01:59:38pm

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re: "c d cancel" meaning

i normally see CDS as well, for Circular Date Stamp, which refers to strike from a device

SON refers to the placement of a strike on the stamp, and usually requires, at a minimum, that the location and full date be visible and fairly well centered on the stamp.

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Kool

20 Oct 2020
02:12:14pm

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re: "c d cancel" meaning

Thanks so much and that was such a quick response. All makes sense since all those cancelations were circular at least in part. Thanks again.

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20 Oct 2020
03:17:59pm

re: "c d cancel" meaning

I learned something today. I always assumed a bullseye cancellation was the cancellation made up of concentric circles, usually not containing a date. I really didn't think it was the same as a "socked on the nose" cancellation. I even Googled "bullseye cancellation" to make sure and I was definitely out to lunch (again!!).

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""We have multiplied our possessions but reduced our values. We talk too much, love too seldom, and hate too often. We’ve learned how to make a living but not a life. We’ve added years to life, not life to years." George Carlin"
Brechinite

20 Oct 2020
04:00:18pm

re: "c d cancel" meaning

"I always assumed a bullseye cancellation was the cancellation made up of concentric circles, usually not containing a date."



Harvey I'm with you on this.

That is what I was taught back in the day when Noah was a boy!!

A cds cancel has the date in the middle.

Its just another example of non standardisation of philatelic terms throughout the world and as a Brit the rest of the world should follow us and stop mucking around with their own interpretations..

Well we Brits did invent the adhesive postage stamp!!

Rolling On The Floor LaughingRolling On The Floor Laughing

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This is my diabetic cat OBI! I think, therefore I am - I think! Descartes, sort of!
20 Oct 2020
04:40:59pm

re: "c d cancel" meaning

Ian said "Well the Brits did invent the adhesive postage stamp".
I say that we are now "stuck with it"! Big Grin
So, we stick with the adhesive stamp! Applause
Enjoy our hobby and all stick together! Rolling On The Floor Laughing

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""We have multiplied our possessions but reduced our values. We talk too much, love too seldom, and hate too often. We’ve learned how to make a living but not a life. We’ve added years to life, not life to years." George Carlin"
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keesindy

21 Oct 2020
12:48:19am

re: "c d cancel" meaning

My description of the cancel on this cut square would be SOTN (Socked on the Nose) four-ring bullseye. A tiny fraction of the circular date stamp (CDS) is visible at the left edge of the cut square.

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Tom

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