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To collect all B.C.O.F trial proofs is a very difficult project, I originally had six of the seven trial proofs, the trial proof missing is the 3d with red overprint. I thought I was doing well with six in my possession, well I thought I had six, and so did the specialists I bought it from.
When I spoke to Chris Ceremuga an internationally known expertiser, after picking up the stamp plus others he had expertised for me, I was taken aback when I was told the 1d B.C.O.F with the red overprint was a forgery, yes, a forgery; and a very good one at that.
As the forgery is as old as the authentic stamp (the forgery is about 75 years old and in pristine condition), the ink being about the same age, further examination with advanced equipment to identify if the proper ink was used had also detected fine imperfections of the font exposing the deception.
I now have a near perfect forgery where the font looks exactly like the real thing. The forger also used a new stamp of the time and placed the red overprint onto the stamp, now he has a trial proof (trial proof forgeries are very scarce).
I do not collect forgeries as a rule, unless they are a Sperati, I now have four proofs; the others I do know are real as they are certified by Ceremuga.
As you can see, the forged overprint looks exactly like the authentic overprints on the other trial proofs.
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02:55:24pm
I'm just curious - if the forgery is so good, how does the appraiser make his/her decision? Are there any appraisers in our group who can explain? Do they just know their area so well that it is obvious to them?
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Hi Harvey
Chris Ceremuga who has been a full-time expertiser for 22 years is a world renowned expertiser and has the necessary equipment to detect forgeries no matter how good they are, I have many of his certificates as they are accepted world-wide.
His webpage explains a lot more about his expertise in Philately.
http://www.ceremuga.net/
Rob
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Hi Rob,
Do you think it could be by Sperati, that would be a really good bonus.
Horamakhet
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Hi Horamakhet
I already queried that and the forgery was after his time, he forged stamps from the Victorian era to the early reign of KGV.
But it's the first time I've seen a proof B.C.O.F. being forged by a professional.
Rob
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Hi Rob
That is why Philately is known as the hobby of Kings and Commoners.
There is always something new to find, and it has always been the amateur who has discovered all the great classic errors and rarities for the wealthy to purchase.
Horamakhet
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The mystery here, that someone as good as this forger would forge a low value stamp instead of the high value stamp such as the 5/- which had a lower printing and would have been more sought after by collectors.
Rob
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10:36:51pm
".... The mystery here, that someone as good as this forger
would forge a low value stamp instead of the high value
stamp such as the 5/- which had a lower printing and would
have been more sought after
y collectors. ...."
Perhaps the forger is so good that his efforts on higher
value stamps has yet to be detected ?
Or the forger used a variation of the Mr. 888's principle?
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Cdj1122,
Love you quotes, I think they are from Yes, Minister, sounds like what Sir Humphrey would say
Horamakhet
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02:06:25am
Usually I am left dumbfounded by British comedy. Unfortunately, regardless of how high I boost my TV antenna, I can't receive shows from the UK. Something about the curvature of the earth, and all that.
Meanwhile this set closed at a Canada Auction late last night;
They went for $110.00 at 1AM EDST.
Unfortunately, I thought they would go for more so I was locked into several other lots, and at my limit. Maybe next time .
Do they look genuine ?
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The 5/- is centred heavily to the left, this would devalue the stamp. The selling price depends on the condition of the stamp, being unhinged or hinged. It could range from $175 - $200.
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Hi cdj1122
A little late to answer your question but better late than never, the B.C.O.F. stamps are all genuine.
Rob
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I now have five out of six 1946 B.C.O.F. colour trial proofs. Only a few weeks ago I found out that the 1d with red overprint is a forgery confirmed by Chris Ceremuga. A very good example of a forgery overprinted on a MUH stamp giving a fine example of what should have been a genuine trial proof.
To collect all B.C.O.F trial proofs is a very difficult project, I originally had six of the seven trial proofs, the trial proof missing is the 3d with red overprint. I thought I was doing well with six in my possession, well I thought I had six, and so did the specialists I bought it from.
When I spoke to Chris Ceremuga an internationally known expertiser, after picking up the stamp plus others he had expertised for me, I was taken aback when I was told the 1d B.C.O.F with the red overprint was a forgery, yes, a forgery; and a very good one at that.
As the forgery is as old as the authentic stamp (the forgery is about 75 years old and in pristine condition), the ink being about the same age, further examination with advanced equipment to identify if the proper ink was used had also detected fine imperfections of the font exposing the deception.
I now have a near perfect forgery where the font looks exactly like the real thing. The forger also used a new stamp of the time and placed the red overprint onto the stamp, now he has a trial proof (trial proof forgeries are very scarce).
I do not collect forgeries as a rule, unless they are a Sperati, I now have four proofs; the others I do know are real as they are certified by Ceremuga.
As you can see, the forged overprint looks exactly like the authentic overprints on the other trial proofs.
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24 Mar 2021
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re: A forgery of the B.C.0.F. 1d trial proof with red overprint
I'm just curious - if the forgery is so good, how does the appraiser make his/her decision? Are there any appraisers in our group who can explain? Do they just know their area so well that it is obvious to them?
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Hi Harvey
Chris Ceremuga who has been a full-time expertiser for 22 years is a world renowned expertiser and has the necessary equipment to detect forgeries no matter how good they are, I have many of his certificates as they are accepted world-wide.
His webpage explains a lot more about his expertise in Philately.
http://www.ceremuga.net/
Rob
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Hi Rob,
Do you think it could be by Sperati, that would be a really good bonus.
Horamakhet
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re: A forgery of the B.C.0.F. 1d trial proof with red overprint
Hi Horamakhet
I already queried that and the forgery was after his time, he forged stamps from the Victorian era to the early reign of KGV.
But it's the first time I've seen a proof B.C.O.F. being forged by a professional.
Rob
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re: A forgery of the B.C.0.F. 1d trial proof with red overprint
Hi Rob
That is why Philately is known as the hobby of Kings and Commoners.
There is always something new to find, and it has always been the amateur who has discovered all the great classic errors and rarities for the wealthy to purchase.
Horamakhet
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re: A forgery of the B.C.0.F. 1d trial proof with red overprint
The mystery here, that someone as good as this forger would forge a low value stamp instead of the high value stamp such as the 5/- which had a lower printing and would have been more sought after by collectors.
Rob
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03 Apr 2021
10:36:51pm
re: A forgery of the B.C.0.F. 1d trial proof with red overprint
".... The mystery here, that someone as good as this forger
would forge a low value stamp instead of the high value
stamp such as the 5/- which had a lower printing and would
have been more sought after
y collectors. ...."
Perhaps the forger is so good that his efforts on higher
value stamps has yet to be detected ?
Or the forger used a variation of the Mr. 888's principle?
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Cdj1122,
Love you quotes, I think they are from Yes, Minister, sounds like what Sir Humphrey would say
Horamakhet
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Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
15 Jul 2021
02:06:25am
re: A forgery of the B.C.0.F. 1d trial proof with red overprint
Usually I am left dumbfounded by British comedy. Unfortunately, regardless of how high I boost my TV antenna, I can't receive shows from the UK. Something about the curvature of the earth, and all that.
Meanwhile this set closed at a Canada Auction late last night;
They went for $110.00 at 1AM EDST.
Unfortunately, I thought they would go for more so I was locked into several other lots, and at my limit. Maybe next time .
Do they look genuine ?
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re: A forgery of the B.C.0.F. 1d trial proof with red overprint
The 5/- is centred heavily to the left, this would devalue the stamp. The selling price depends on the condition of the stamp, being unhinged or hinged. It could range from $175 - $200.
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re: A forgery of the B.C.0.F. 1d trial proof with red overprint
Hi cdj1122
A little late to answer your question but better late than never, the B.C.O.F. stamps are all genuine.
Rob
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