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The second cover has five denominations of the Wilding Portraits nicely tied to an interesting Cache Cover. The only problem is those stamps were not issued until two years after the date on the cancel. I'd call that a forgery.
Kindly enlighten me.
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We are moving to semantics, but I would say that both are forgeries, since they were made to look like something they are not with the intent of fooling people (most of the time in order to sell it as if it were the real thing).
A fake on the other hand is something that doesn't exist. Like all those German stamps with swastikas inkjetted on them.
The goal is the same of course: make use of the lack of knowledge of collectors, just like those wonderful jam jar labels from Afghanistan or Equatorial Guinea with preprinted cancels that have never been in those countries...
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The first cover is just plain "made up". It's a moot point what to call it. It's a decent used copy and should be soaked off.
It is not even the correct cachet for the issue.
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Fake, Forgery, or Reprint?
No comments on fakes, forgeries or reprints of these in catalogues.
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Colour looks too bright, but that could be the scanner. What is the watermark and perf? But regardless it would be a very good space filler.
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Its Perf 14. and gummed.
I do not have a decent watermark detector, however it is definitly NOT Script CA therefore it is a fake, forgery or reproduction, call it what you will.
I found it in a mixed box that I bought at auction, (source unknown).
As you say it is a nice spacefiller and I didn't even pay 1% of its "catalogue value" for the whole box.
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Ian, to me it looks like crown CA sideways, following is adjusted image. If you look low down on left hand side, to the left of the pinhole is the crown and CA below that.
Edit to add that looking above the crown it appears that the A has a leg so would be correct for script ca.
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Hey Ian, was it used as a target for the local pub dart tournament?
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Nice stamp to add to a collection, as filler or whatever
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Vic and rrraphy:-
The black spot is just that not a pin hole. It is a piece of dust on the stockbook page!
Crown Script CA normally is quite easy to see and this is quite difficult.
Oh I wish it was Crown Script CA Sideways but I'll see if I can accquire a decent watermark detector to determine one way or another.
The watermark reminds me of the multiple crowns on the Australian George V Head stamps.
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"Fake, Forgery, or Reprint?"
Ian, you can start it at 50 cents on Ebay and let the buyers decide what it is.
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I consider fakes as stamps that are postally used that are not actual or are altered stamps, i.e. cut out original image and paste in alternative image.
Forgeries are intentional changes to valid stamps either used or mint to increase their value and deceive the buyer, i.e., change perforations, trim off perforations, false or altered cancellations, etc.
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09:43:25pm
" ... I'll see if I can accquire a decent watermark
detector to determine one way or another. .."
A quick dip in anything from 70% Rubbing alcohol to
Bombay Gin should reveal any watermark and not really
harm the stamp unless it is truly bogus in th first
place.
I've been using Isopropyl Alcohol for over fifty years
and seldom have any problem seeing a clear watermark.
Heavy black cancellations sometimes are a problem.
If you do it carefully, any original gum (not adhesive)
will not be disturbed.
All my Wilding stamps and Norge posthorns have had a
quick alcohol bath if the watermark is not obvious by
simple exposure to light.
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A FDC of #302 catalogues at $90. Great find right? Except a used stamp was affixed to a blank cover. I'd call this a fake since (I'm assuming) the collector just wanted in his collection with no intent to deceive.
The second cover has five denominations of the Wilding Portraits nicely tied to an interesting Cache Cover. The only problem is those stamps were not issued until two years after the date on the cancel. I'd call that a forgery.
Kindly enlighten me.
Note to self: don't buy from Avenue Stamp Shop.
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re: Fake or Forgery, what's the difference?
We are moving to semantics, but I would say that both are forgeries, since they were made to look like something they are not with the intent of fooling people (most of the time in order to sell it as if it were the real thing).
A fake on the other hand is something that doesn't exist. Like all those German stamps with swastikas inkjetted on them.
The goal is the same of course: make use of the lack of knowledge of collectors, just like those wonderful jam jar labels from Afghanistan or Equatorial Guinea with preprinted cancels that have never been in those countries...
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19 Oct 2021
02:11:55pm
re: Fake or Forgery, what's the difference?
The first cover is just plain "made up". It's a moot point what to call it. It's a decent used copy and should be soaked off.
It is not even the correct cachet for the issue.
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re: Fake or Forgery, what's the difference?
Fake, Forgery, or Reprint?
No comments on fakes, forgeries or reprints of these in catalogues.
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re: Fake or Forgery, what's the difference?
Colour looks too bright, but that could be the scanner. What is the watermark and perf? But regardless it would be a very good space filler.
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re: Fake or Forgery, what's the difference?
Its Perf 14. and gummed.
I do not have a decent watermark detector, however it is definitly NOT Script CA therefore it is a fake, forgery or reproduction, call it what you will.
I found it in a mixed box that I bought at auction, (source unknown).
As you say it is a nice spacefiller and I didn't even pay 1% of its "catalogue value" for the whole box.
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re: Fake or Forgery, what's the difference?
Ian, to me it looks like crown CA sideways, following is adjusted image. If you look low down on left hand side, to the left of the pinhole is the crown and CA below that.
Edit to add that looking above the crown it appears that the A has a leg so would be correct for script ca.
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Hey Ian, was it used as a target for the local pub dart tournament?
rrr...
Nice stamp to add to a collection, as filler or whatever
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06:31:16pm
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re: Fake or Forgery, what's the difference?
Vic and rrraphy:-
The black spot is just that not a pin hole. It is a piece of dust on the stockbook page!
Crown Script CA normally is quite easy to see and this is quite difficult.
Oh I wish it was Crown Script CA Sideways but I'll see if I can accquire a decent watermark detector to determine one way or another.
The watermark reminds me of the multiple crowns on the Australian George V Head stamps.
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re: Fake or Forgery, what's the difference?
"Fake, Forgery, or Reprint?"
Ian, you can start it at 50 cents on Ebay and let the buyers decide what it is.
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re: Fake or Forgery, what's the difference?
I consider fakes as stamps that are postally used that are not actual or are altered stamps, i.e. cut out original image and paste in alternative image.
Forgeries are intentional changes to valid stamps either used or mint to increase their value and deceive the buyer, i.e., change perforations, trim off perforations, false or altered cancellations, etc.
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23 Oct 2021
09:43:25pm
re: Fake or Forgery, what's the difference?
" ... I'll see if I can accquire a decent watermark
detector to determine one way or another. .."
A quick dip in anything from 70% Rubbing alcohol to
Bombay Gin should reveal any watermark and not really
harm the stamp unless it is truly bogus in th first
place.
I've been using Isopropyl Alcohol for over fifty years
and seldom have any problem seeing a clear watermark.
Heavy black cancellations sometimes are a problem.
If you do it carefully, any original gum (not adhesive)
will not be disturbed.
All my Wilding stamps and Norge posthorns have had a
quick alcohol bath if the watermark is not obvious by
simple exposure to light.
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