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Looking for thoughts on this St.Helena stamp. Stanley Gibbons does not list, and price, this particular stamp because the "cancellation" was added later. The Cancellation was a diamond with 4 bars....as in the pic attached. The stamp does not appear used in the least, and has full gum.
My question is whether not listing by SG, but still mentioning this, makes this stamp of no value. It is quite a pretty stamp, and in wonderful condition.
Thoughts
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I just learned recently that this cancellation (a purple grid) was applied to remaining stocks of discontinued stamps by the PO.
- Paul
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Hi Paul
Same thing I read. How does that affect their value? SG gives none.
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These stamps with grid cancels are one of my pet peeves. These cancellations are effectively worthless. They were remainders, cancelled thus for collectors, but online sellers continue to sell them as genuine used. 49,409 of this value were remaindered.
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Ya, I have one in my collection:
Mine has no gum on it. I guess it should...John, does your stamp have gum on it?
So, not "mint", not postally "used". Not much more than a spacefiller, then.
-Paul
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Ditto, with Spanish stamps of the 1850s, to render them useless they were mutilated with these bars. I guess that the notion of CTO was non existent then. I've seen some dealers advertising them as "bar cancellation".
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Mine has full gum
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02:35:34am
While we are on the subject of remainders and dealers
selling very inexpensive remainders as genuine postally
used examples at full, or nearly full catalog listing, here
are three attractive remainers to be wary of.
The date and generally SOTN cancel is the give away.
Over the years I have found this duplicity in several dealer's
stock books and display cases.
I have never been able to decide whether such sales offerings
were inadvertent or intentional.
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That's great information re the Dutch stamps. I didn't know that, and I currently have the 3c + 3c listed at $49, which I will take down right now!
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04:26:26am
" ... which I will take down right now! ..."
I do not have a current Scott or NVPH, but I think they, even as Remainders have a few dollars listed. They are, if m y memory is right, the very first stamps issued to support TB research and a home for patients.
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I would not mind stamps with "reminder cancellations" as long as it is made clear they are just that (and I've learned now how to recognize them at least in these cases). As these stamps weren't originally issued with the collectors in mind, as many modern ones are, I am loth to lump them together with CTOs. If at all, these are CTOs with "letters of nobility" - it was a win-win situation for the post offices and the collectors. The former were rid of surplus, probably invalidated stamps and avoided fraud by cancelling them, the latter had the opportunity to acquire items for their collections relatively cheaply.
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Looking for thoughts on this St.Helena stamp. Stanley Gibbons does not list, and price, this particular stamp because the "cancellation" was added later. The Cancellation was a diamond with 4 bars....as in the pic attached. The stamp does not appear used in the least, and has full gum.
My question is whether not listing by SG, but still mentioning this, makes this stamp of no value. It is quite a pretty stamp, and in wonderful condition.
Thoughts
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09:53:54am
re: Thoughts on this St. Helena stamp
I just learned recently that this cancellation (a purple grid) was applied to remaining stocks of discontinued stamps by the PO.
- Paul
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re: Thoughts on this St. Helena stamp
Hi Paul
Same thing I read. How does that affect their value? SG gives none.
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re: Thoughts on this St. Helena stamp
These stamps with grid cancels are one of my pet peeves. These cancellations are effectively worthless. They were remainders, cancelled thus for collectors, but online sellers continue to sell them as genuine used. 49,409 of this value were remaindered.
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12:50:10pm
re: Thoughts on this St. Helena stamp
Ya, I have one in my collection:
Mine has no gum on it. I guess it should...John, does your stamp have gum on it?
So, not "mint", not postally "used". Not much more than a spacefiller, then.
-Paul
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re: Thoughts on this St. Helena stamp
Ditto, with Spanish stamps of the 1850s, to render them useless they were mutilated with these bars. I guess that the notion of CTO was non existent then. I've seen some dealers advertising them as "bar cancellation".
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Mine has full gum
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Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
13 Feb 2022
02:35:34am
re: Thoughts on this St. Helena stamp
While we are on the subject of remainders and dealers
selling very inexpensive remainders as genuine postally
used examples at full, or nearly full catalog listing, here
are three attractive remainers to be wary of.
The date and generally SOTN cancel is the give away.
Over the years I have found this duplicity in several dealer's
stock books and display cases.
I have never been able to decide whether such sales offerings
were inadvertent or intentional.
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re: Thoughts on this St. Helena stamp
That's great information re the Dutch stamps. I didn't know that, and I currently have the 3c + 3c listed at $49, which I will take down right now!
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Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
13 Feb 2022
04:26:26am
re: Thoughts on this St. Helena stamp
" ... which I will take down right now! ..."
I do not have a current Scott or NVPH, but I think they, even as Remainders have a few dollars listed. They are, if m y memory is right, the very first stamps issued to support TB research and a home for patients.
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07:10:26am
re: Thoughts on this St. Helena stamp
I would not mind stamps with "reminder cancellations" as long as it is made clear they are just that (and I've learned now how to recognize them at least in these cases). As these stamps weren't originally issued with the collectors in mind, as many modern ones are, I am loth to lump them together with CTOs. If at all, these are CTOs with "letters of nobility" - it was a win-win situation for the post offices and the collectors. The former were rid of surplus, probably invalidated stamps and avoided fraud by cancelling them, the latter had the opportunity to acquire items for their collections relatively cheaply.
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