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General Philatelic/Gen. Discussion : Venezuela...How can I tell if these are fakes?

 

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12 Apr 2022
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12 Apr 2022
04:38:46pm
re: Venezuela...How can I tell if these are fakes?

Paper thick and opaque rather than thin and semi-transparent.

Gum smooth and dull rather than shiny and crackled.

Fits the description of the forgeries to a "T".

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12 Apr 2022
05:20:41pm
re: Venezuela...How can I tell if these are fakes?

The link below shows images of genuine and forged stamps from this series.

http://stampforgeries.com/forged-stamps- ...

There is also a helpful discussion here

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13 Apr 2022
11:20:22am
re: Venezuela...How can I tell if these are fakes?

Thanks All! They now reside in my fake folder. after reading some of the above link, several errors were obvious.

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michael78651

13 Apr 2022
04:55:23pm
re: Venezuela...How can I tell if these are fakes?

Another way to discern about 90% of the genuine 5cts stamps, is that on the outer frame below the lower right value numeral there is a very stubby diagonal line pointing to the left. If that is missing, then for the remaining 10%, check the circle surrounding the numeral in the upper left. In the genuine there are two small breaks in the line. Forgeries have the circle line complete with no breaks. I do not know for certain if this carries over to the other stamps in the set.

Blame Francois Fournier for these forgeries.

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13 Apr 2022
08:54:11pm
re: Venezuela...How can I tell if these are fakes?

Francois Fournier was, on one hand, a legitimate stamp dealer
who made what he called "Facsimiles" of stamps from "dead"
countries or regimes that often confounded the stamp world..
On the other hand, as far as I can recall, he did not sell his
'facsimiles' as genuine stamps. His idea was to produce fine
facsimiles to sell at a reasonable price to collectors who could,
and likely never would, afford the expensive original stamps.
He seems to have believed that they would look decent
filling those despised empty spaces.
The problem arose when certain unscrupulous sellers, private
or professional, began to resell Fournier's printings as the real
McCoys at, or close to, the genuine rare stamps market value
He might have stayed clear of the stamp world's opprobrium
had he devised a small imprint to be placed on the reverse of
his printings and/or released the often microscopic "Tells" that
would be obvious to legitimate dealers or collectors.
In fact, at one of the numerous regional "Stamp Shows" some
years ago there was a copy of Fournier'a house news sheet or
magazine, 'Fac-Simlie" was on exhibit. A very interesting
man.

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re: Venezuela...How can I tell if these are fakes?

Paper thick and opaque rather than thin and semi-transparent.

Gum smooth and dull rather than shiny and crackled.

Fits the description of the forgeries to a "T".

Roy

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12 Apr 2022
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re: Venezuela...How can I tell if these are fakes?

The link below shows images of genuine and forged stamps from this series.

http://stampforgeries.com/forged-stamps- ...

There is also a helpful discussion here

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"'That's just it,' said the Hemulen in despair. 'It's finished. There isn't a stamp, or an error that I haven't collected. Not one. What shall I do now? ''Nature study!' declares the Hemulen. 'I shall botanize'. "
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bigcreekdad

13 Apr 2022
11:20:22am

re: Venezuela...How can I tell if these are fakes?

Thanks All! They now reside in my fake folder. after reading some of the above link, several errors were obvious.

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michael78651

13 Apr 2022
04:55:23pm

re: Venezuela...How can I tell if these are fakes?

Another way to discern about 90% of the genuine 5cts stamps, is that on the outer frame below the lower right value numeral there is a very stubby diagonal line pointing to the left. If that is missing, then for the remaining 10%, check the circle surrounding the numeral in the upper left. In the genuine there are two small breaks in the line. Forgeries have the circle line complete with no breaks. I do not know for certain if this carries over to the other stamps in the set.

Blame Francois Fournier for these forgeries.

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Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
13 Apr 2022
08:54:11pm

re: Venezuela...How can I tell if these are fakes?

Francois Fournier was, on one hand, a legitimate stamp dealer
who made what he called "Facsimiles" of stamps from "dead"
countries or regimes that often confounded the stamp world..
On the other hand, as far as I can recall, he did not sell his
'facsimiles' as genuine stamps. His idea was to produce fine
facsimiles to sell at a reasonable price to collectors who could,
and likely never would, afford the expensive original stamps.
He seems to have believed that they would look decent
filling those despised empty spaces.
The problem arose when certain unscrupulous sellers, private
or professional, began to resell Fournier's printings as the real
McCoys at, or close to, the genuine rare stamps market value
He might have stayed clear of the stamp world's opprobrium
had he devised a small imprint to be placed on the reverse of
his printings and/or released the often microscopic "Tells" that
would be obvious to legitimate dealers or collectors.
In fact, at one of the numerous regional "Stamp Shows" some
years ago there was a copy of Fournier'a house news sheet or
magazine, 'Fac-Simlie" was on exhibit. A very interesting
man.

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