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05 May 2022
02:04:24pm
1920 Registered cover from Marienburg, Marienwerder.

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07 May 2022
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Here's a well traveled cover I just discovered in my hoard!

Originated in Harrisburg, PA on Aug 2 1935. Sent Special Delivery to Yellow Springs, OH and then forwarded onward to Pontiac, MI. Check out the well documented travel on the reverse side. From Harrisburg, it went west on the NY & Pittsburgh RPO. Then it was transferred to the Pittsburg & St Louis RPO (along with a small oval purple RPO clerk's cancel) and dropped off in Yellow Springs, Ohio on Aug 3rd, where it was back stamped. Huntsville, OH is right near there, so Then forwarded via Toledo & Hunt RPO on Aug 3 through Toledo it's on it's way to Pontiac Michigan. And it arrived on August 4th. All of that and only two days in transit!

Never mind what the "Transient Department" was. But kinda makes sense since it even needed to be forwarded!

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07 May 2022
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Tom,
That's a very interesting cover. I love tracking through where it has gone, just as you have done.

Regards ... Tim.

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07 May 2022
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I have this one from Indonesia ,it is addressesd to the gentleman who organised the printing of the 1948/49 Vienna printings of the Indonesian stamps ,as far as I'm aware not many covers are available with any of the 1948/49 Stolow stamps on them ??
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08 May 2022
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Brian:

That is a beautiful and historic cover!

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09 May 2022
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Tom,

on your SD cover, I love that auxilliary marking: "Forwarded; fee not claimed"

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10 May 2022
07:32:28am
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This a recent acquisition: nice cover, almost certainly philatelic. I have several questions that I hope someone will have answers for. What does the MS-287 backstamp signify? The markings are all pretty clearly struck and the stamps are carefully placed. The post it note on the back is my googling around on Sid Fingerhood. Anybody know him? The RMS Parthia was an all first class ship that sailed from Liverpool to New York from 1948-61. It could accommodate 251 first class passengers.

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Tom in Exton, PA

10 May 2022
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How about Canal Zone 4 used on cover? This stamp was used for less than a year and is very hard to find on cover!

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10 May 2022
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Image Not FoundTomorrow, May 11, Netflix is rolling out a British movie “Operation Mincemeat” which tells the true story of how the British completely fooled the Germans into believing that the Allies were going to invade Greece, when in fact Sicily was the objective; one of the greatest intelligence coups of the war. A dead body dressed as a British army officer with a briefcase containing "fake top secret documents" indicating an invasion of Greece, was floated ashore to the Spanish coast from the submarine HMS Seraph, commanded by Captain N.L.A. Jewel RN. This cover shows Seraph and the signature of Captain Jewel, although this cover was celebrating a different operation leading up to Operation Torch, the invasion of North Africa.

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10 May 2022
10:06:30pm
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A few days ago I received a nice gift from StampoRama member Tom Geiger, a cover that he and a girlfriend designed several years ago and franked with a copy of U.S. Scott #1710, commemorating the 50th anniversary of Charles Lindbergh’s 1927 solo flight from New York City to Paris, the first-ever solo crossing of the Atlantic Ocean. The cover Tom sent is an event cover, created for the CORNPEX '77, but previously he had made 500 FDCs, using the same design, and sold all of them.

One of the web pages on my Ephemeral Treasures web site is “A Charles Lindbergh Puzzle — What's that darned cat doing there?". The gift from Tom fits that web page perfectly. When you get to the web page — after reading the first page, of course! — go to the second page, where you'll find Tom’s cover at the bottom.

Tom, thank you for your generosity!

Bob

P.S. A note about the postcard shown on page one of the aforementioned web site, picturing Lindbergh's plane, The Spirit of St. Louis, hanging from the ceiling of what was then the Smithsonian Institution. I understand that the Spirit is now displayed in the National Air & Space Museum. Anyway, when I was six years old, my family moved from Savona, New York State, driving all the way to our new home near Silver City, New Mexico. But my dad decided to make the trip more educational than it might have been. We first visited the battlefield at Gettysburg, and then went to Washington and the Smithsonian. I well remember seeing the Spirit of St. Louis there. When I found that postcard for sale on line, it seem most appropriate to buy it for use it as the first illustration for my Lindbergh web page.

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11 May 2022
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Here's a ratty old cover I found in a large lot of covers. It's probably spent the last 100 years in various collectors junk boxes. A cover so bad, that most dealers would simply throw it away after clipping off the common stamp.

I took a long look at it and realized that this was addressed to a Bishop who then, as customary in the old days, used it as scrap paper. There are bible quotes and notes. I'm thinking maybe this was a sermon.

So I decided to take a chance and listed it on eBay. It went through two 9 week cycles at $1.99 without a bid. Still, I relisted it as a "Buy It Now" in my store. And marked it up to $4.99. Wouldn't ya know? Somebody bought it. Somebody in Independence, Missouri too.

There is a special place in the universe for each and every old cover!

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15 May 2022
03:00:24pm
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Arrived yesterday from Australia, this 1962 Algeria FDC franked with one of the many varieties of French stamp overprinted “EA,” standing for “Etat Algerien,” and with heavy lines obliterating Republique Francaise:

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When the Algerian National Liberation Front won its war with France, postal authorities decreed that French stamps already in use in the de facto French colony of Algeria should be overprinted like the stamp on this cover. Individual postmasters were authorized to use any means available to create the overprints, so you see overprints made in various colours by a variety of rubber stamps, letterpresses, and pens, with many errors including double overprints, badly skewed overprints, most overprints without accents but some with accents. Some catalogues provide lists of the various overprints and the location of the post offices from which they originated.

This cover is not in great condition, but such covers aren't readily available.

Bob

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15 May 2022
08:34:08pm

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Talking about not readily available...i was looking for a Italian cover using a stamp from the 1n1-1n9 allied military govt of U.s. and Great Britain. These were for use in Sicily in 1943. A mint copy costs about 35 cents, i found one on cover on ebay for around $185.00...thats bursts my bubble.

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16 May 2022
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Uprated registered mail postal stationary sent from El Volcan, Panama to the USA. El Volcan means "the volcano" in English which is fitting since the town is located on the flanks of the Baru Volcano in Panama, the tallest mountain in Panama. It is also an active stratovolcano which erupted last circa 1550 AD.

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20 May 2022
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At the 1934 International Airpost Exhibition (APEX) held at the RHS in London, German Rocket enthusiast Gerhardt Zucker purchased 1,000 sets of the show souvenir Label for his own use.
He had the sets overprinted in 'Wavy Line' by E.T.Heron & Co 'Rocket Post, First British Flight' for use during the trial firing over the Thames which was due to take place on one of the Exhibition days (May7-12).
However, due to adverse weather condition the firing was cancelled and re-arranged for a day in June on the Sussex Downs in Southern England.
Both of these covers come from that 2nd attempt. One was addressed to Germany with no onward stamp and a post paid ½d. The cover was addressed to Saxony, Germany. The postage rate was incorrect of course.
The second cover was addressed to Glasgow with KGV definitive of 1½d. Both labels had the hastily arranged cancel dated June 6th.
The labels were printed by the Gravure Institute of Paris.
The 2nd cover was (sadly) not looked after during it's former life and shows some toning.
The number of covers flown in the trial firing is not known (officially). Rumors abound !!

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20 May 2022
08:23:03am
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Hi Bob,

Really great cover, with the overprinted stamp tied! That sort of lends an air of authenticity to the (easily faked) overprint!

Trying to read the CDS on your Algeria cover. Is it October 1, 1962? Wikipedia says that the Algerian War of Independence ended on March 19, 1962. So, the overprint fits in time, but I'm surprised that they were in use that late.

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20 May 2022
11:38:21pm
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I think you have burst my bubble, Pau! You are almost correct about the date, which is October 11, not October 1, 1962. That certainly means that my overprint is not on a FDC. Here's an enlarged image of the cancellation:

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One thing's clear: the overprint is doubled, which the seller described.

If there were any official FDCs, they might have been cancelled on July 2, 1962, which is the date Scott says they were issued.

I have a few other commercial or private covers franked with the "EA" overprints, one postmarked July 20, 1962, another in September of that year, and a third in October.

De Gaulle announced in 1961 that "major fighting" in Algeria ended months before major fighting ended (rather like President George Bush announced the end of major conflict in Iraq just as major conflict was beginning. A brutal civil war followed the first French attempts to end the conflict in Algeria, with Muslim insurgents fighting disaffected French soldiers who wish to keep Algeria French. Algerians, called Pieds-Noir( 'Black Feet') of French and other European descent, joined the fight against Algerian independence. Arson, bombings, and murder made life difficult for Algerians for months. It's safe to say that democracy, to this day, has not taken a firm hold in Algeria. I think it's also safe to say that the stamps overprinted "EA" for Etat Algerian, using non-standard printing methods, including hand printing, were issued in a period of severe political and social upheaval. It's hard to imagine Algerian philatelists eagerly buying "EA" overprinted stamps and mailing FDCs. It's a lot easier to think of them hunkering down and hoping that they'd live to see the next day.

It would be interesting to learn what Abderrahmane Yessad (foudutimbre) can tell us about my supposed FDC; I believe that he is StampoRama's only Algerian member,

Bob


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21 May 2022
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Bob,

thanks for bringing us back to what those stamps and covers likely meant to the people who might, or not, been aware of them as they were created. IEDs trump CDSs and FN FALs override FDCs.

I don't know much about the Algerian war, other than it was nasty. I suspect DeGaulle's "end" was a political trompe l'oeile, whereas Bush's was certainly wishful thinking by a man with little command of military reality. Is that true?

David

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04 Jun 2022
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On May 15, I posted an image of this Algerian cover, which had just arrived from Australia:

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It was franked with an overprint reading "EA" for Etat Algerien, or Algerian State; the overprints were created after the end of the vicious Algerian War, from which Algeria emerged as a newly independent country, free of French colonialism. An interesting thing about these overprints is that there are literally dozens of varieties, because postmasters were ordered to produce their own overprints on existing stocks of French stamps, using whatever printing methods they had available — letterpress, rubber stamps, even pen and pencil. Here are several examples, previously posted in another thread:Image Not Found

Now I have received a catalogue from a dealer in Paris, Les surcharge provisoires "E.A." de l'État Algerien, or The provisional "E.A." surcharges of the Algerian State. Here's the catalogues cover:

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And a sample page:

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I don't speak French, even though it's one of Canada's two official languages (the other being Canglish), so Google Translate will be my friend, but it will be interesting to learn more about the "E.A." stamps in my collection.

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04 Jun 2022
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Bob, to save yourself some typing, you might try scanning a page of the catalogue then running the scan through a free online OCR program. Take the resulting text file and run THAT through Google translate.

I am sure there will be errors, but it might save a lot of time, if it works.

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04 Jun 2022
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Interesting idea, Roy. I've used OCR programs before, without a lot of success, but that was years ago. I'll give it a try! Thank you!

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05 Jun 2022
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Another interesting cover pulled from the vast hoards of stuff I've been sorting lately.

A nice Springfield, Illinois strike of the "Hire The Handicapped" slogan cancel. Envelope has gone nearly brown from bad paper acid transfer from a piece of cardboard used as a filler card.

The question is... who is this guy? And how is he related to the cover? It is a newspaper clipping glued in place. With the toning around it, you don't even see the edges.

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And Google was no help at all! Surprise

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05 Jun 2022
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Adlai Stevenson II

Democratic Presidential candidate 1952 and 1956, beaten by Eisenhower both times.

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05 Jun 2022
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You beat me to it Roy.
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05 Jun 2022
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Thanks! You're better than Google! Happy

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05 Jun 2022
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I remember the 1952 election. My parents were strong Stevenson supporters. I didn't think that he looked "presidential," whatever that meant to my nine-year-old mind. But I predicted — seriously! — that Eisenhower would win. I thought his great reputation as the Allies' as the commander of SHAEF (Supreme Headquarters Allied Expeditionary Force) was a guarantee that he would win, and I was right, of course. It was only many years later that I learned how he ignored pleas from Ho Chi Minh to help oust the French from Indochina (as did Truman and then Kennedy, and then Johnson, and then Nixon), even though the U.S. had provided military hardware and advisors Ho Chi Minh and his Vietminh forces in fighting Japanese occupation troops during the Second World War. I was also upset when the U.S. (under Eisenhower) failed to support the Hungarian Revolution in October and November, 1956.

As part of my Vietnam War collection, I've collected stamps, covers, and ephemera picturing the American presidents who became implicated in the American failure to improve the lives of the Vietnamese people (and made the mistake of thinking that "little brown people" couldn't possibly stand up against the most militarily powerful nation in the world):

Here's a misperfed booklet pane picturing Eisenhower (Scott#139b):

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This cover features a homemade cachet (looks to be cut from a magazine) supporting Johnson for president and Humphrey for vice-president during the 1964-65 presidential campaign. Johnson won, of course, but because of the Vietnam War he chose not to run for a second term.

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05 Jun 2022
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Good catch! Isolationism has always been an American trait. It has always gotten us into trouble down the road.

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05 Jun 2022
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i know we are getting a bit off track ..but we are talking candidates for President...i remember George McGovern wanted to give a thousand dollars a year to every U.S. citizen....i thought that sounded insane...but i sure could have used that xtra 20 bucks a week. Surprise

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05 Jun 2022
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."give a thousand dollars a year to every U.S. citizen....i thought that sounded insane".

Remember that the government can't "give" someone money that it doesn't eventually take from someone else.....

This is meant to be a comment on economics but if someone feels it is political kindly remove it - not trying to stir things up.....thank you


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10 Jun 2022
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Here's two I pulled out of a small hoard I got in today...

Top one is the "Wheels of Freedom" First Day of Issue on a General Motors corner card. Very cool and right into my automotive collection!

Lower one is the 1945 Alfred Smith First Day of Issue, cancelled with a 1 cent meter cancel instead of the usual First Day of Issue. An imaginative unofficial first day cancel. It goes directly into my 1945 cover book, stains and all.

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" ... Remember that the government can't "give"
someone money that it doesn't eventually take from
someone else..... ...."


That is something to remember when worrying about
inflation. The US government has, rightly, pent billions
on Covid, controls, inoculations, hospitalizations etc. with
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05 May 2022
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Here's a well traveled cover I just discovered in my hoard!

Originated in Harrisburg, PA on Aug 2 1935. Sent Special Delivery to Yellow Springs, OH and then forwarded onward to Pontiac, MI. Check out the well documented travel on the reverse side. From Harrisburg, it went west on the NY & Pittsburgh RPO. Then it was transferred to the Pittsburg & St Louis RPO (along with a small oval purple RPO clerk's cancel) and dropped off in Yellow Springs, Ohio on Aug 3rd, where it was back stamped. Huntsville, OH is right near there, so Then forwarded via Toledo & Hunt RPO on Aug 3 through Toledo it's on it's way to Pontiac Michigan. And it arrived on August 4th. All of that and only two days in transit!

Never mind what the "Transient Department" was. But kinda makes sense since it even needed to be forwarded!

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Tom,
That's a very interesting cover. I love tracking through where it has gone, just as you have done.

Regards ... Tim.

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07 May 2022
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I have this one from Indonesia ,it is addressesd to the gentleman who organised the printing of the 1948/49 Vienna printings of the Indonesian stamps ,as far as I'm aware not many covers are available with any of the 1948/49 Stolow stamps on them ??
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Brian:

That is a beautiful and historic cover!

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on your SD cover, I love that auxilliary marking: "Forwarded; fee not claimed"

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This a recent acquisition: nice cover, almost certainly philatelic. I have several questions that I hope someone will have answers for. What does the MS-287 backstamp signify? The markings are all pretty clearly struck and the stamps are carefully placed. The post it note on the back is my googling around on Sid Fingerhood. Anybody know him? The RMS Parthia was an all first class ship that sailed from Liverpool to New York from 1948-61. It could accommodate 251 first class passengers.

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How about Canal Zone 4 used on cover? This stamp was used for less than a year and is very hard to find on cover!

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10 May 2022
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Image Not FoundTomorrow, May 11, Netflix is rolling out a British movie “Operation Mincemeat” which tells the true story of how the British completely fooled the Germans into believing that the Allies were going to invade Greece, when in fact Sicily was the objective; one of the greatest intelligence coups of the war. A dead body dressed as a British army officer with a briefcase containing "fake top secret documents" indicating an invasion of Greece, was floated ashore to the Spanish coast from the submarine HMS Seraph, commanded by Captain N.L.A. Jewel RN. This cover shows Seraph and the signature of Captain Jewel, although this cover was celebrating a different operation leading up to Operation Torch, the invasion of North Africa.

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A few days ago I received a nice gift from StampoRama member Tom Geiger, a cover that he and a girlfriend designed several years ago and franked with a copy of U.S. Scott #1710, commemorating the 50th anniversary of Charles Lindbergh’s 1927 solo flight from New York City to Paris, the first-ever solo crossing of the Atlantic Ocean. The cover Tom sent is an event cover, created for the CORNPEX '77, but previously he had made 500 FDCs, using the same design, and sold all of them.

One of the web pages on my Ephemeral Treasures web site is “A Charles Lindbergh Puzzle — What's that darned cat doing there?". The gift from Tom fits that web page perfectly. When you get to the web page — after reading the first page, of course! — go to the second page, where you'll find Tom’s cover at the bottom.

Tom, thank you for your generosity!

Bob

P.S. A note about the postcard shown on page one of the aforementioned web site, picturing Lindbergh's plane, The Spirit of St. Louis, hanging from the ceiling of what was then the Smithsonian Institution. I understand that the Spirit is now displayed in the National Air & Space Museum. Anyway, when I was six years old, my family moved from Savona, New York State, driving all the way to our new home near Silver City, New Mexico. But my dad decided to make the trip more educational than it might have been. We first visited the battlefield at Gettysburg, and then went to Washington and the Smithsonian. I well remember seeing the Spirit of St. Louis there. When I found that postcard for sale on line, it seem most appropriate to buy it for use it as the first illustration for my Lindbergh web page.

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Here's a ratty old cover I found in a large lot of covers. It's probably spent the last 100 years in various collectors junk boxes. A cover so bad, that most dealers would simply throw it away after clipping off the common stamp.

I took a long look at it and realized that this was addressed to a Bishop who then, as customary in the old days, used it as scrap paper. There are bible quotes and notes. I'm thinking maybe this was a sermon.

So I decided to take a chance and listed it on eBay. It went through two 9 week cycles at $1.99 without a bid. Still, I relisted it as a "Buy It Now" in my store. And marked it up to $4.99. Wouldn't ya know? Somebody bought it. Somebody in Independence, Missouri too.

There is a special place in the universe for each and every old cover!

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15 May 2022
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Arrived yesterday from Australia, this 1962 Algeria FDC franked with one of the many varieties of French stamp overprinted “EA,” standing for “Etat Algerien,” and with heavy lines obliterating Republique Francaise:

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When the Algerian National Liberation Front won its war with France, postal authorities decreed that French stamps already in use in the de facto French colony of Algeria should be overprinted like the stamp on this cover. Individual postmasters were authorized to use any means available to create the overprints, so you see overprints made in various colours by a variety of rubber stamps, letterpresses, and pens, with many errors including double overprints, badly skewed overprints, most overprints without accents but some with accents. Some catalogues provide lists of the various overprints and the location of the post offices from which they originated.

This cover is not in great condition, but such covers aren't readily available.

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15 May 2022
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Talking about not readily available...i was looking for a Italian cover using a stamp from the 1n1-1n9 allied military govt of U.s. and Great Britain. These were for use in Sicily in 1943. A mint copy costs about 35 cents, i found one on cover on ebay for around $185.00...thats bursts my bubble.

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16 May 2022
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Uprated registered mail postal stationary sent from El Volcan, Panama to the USA. El Volcan means "the volcano" in English which is fitting since the town is located on the flanks of the Baru Volcano in Panama, the tallest mountain in Panama. It is also an active stratovolcano which erupted last circa 1550 AD.

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20 May 2022
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At the 1934 International Airpost Exhibition (APEX) held at the RHS in London, German Rocket enthusiast Gerhardt Zucker purchased 1,000 sets of the show souvenir Label for his own use.
He had the sets overprinted in 'Wavy Line' by E.T.Heron & Co 'Rocket Post, First British Flight' for use during the trial firing over the Thames which was due to take place on one of the Exhibition days (May7-12).
However, due to adverse weather condition the firing was cancelled and re-arranged for a day in June on the Sussex Downs in Southern England.
Both of these covers come from that 2nd attempt. One was addressed to Germany with no onward stamp and a post paid ½d. The cover was addressed to Saxony, Germany. The postage rate was incorrect of course.
The second cover was addressed to Glasgow with KGV definitive of 1½d. Both labels had the hastily arranged cancel dated June 6th.
The labels were printed by the Gravure Institute of Paris.
The 2nd cover was (sadly) not looked after during it's former life and shows some toning.
The number of covers flown in the trial firing is not known (officially). Rumors abound !!

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20 May 2022
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Hi Bob,

Really great cover, with the overprinted stamp tied! That sort of lends an air of authenticity to the (easily faked) overprint!

Trying to read the CDS on your Algeria cover. Is it October 1, 1962? Wikipedia says that the Algerian War of Independence ended on March 19, 1962. So, the overprint fits in time, but I'm surprised that they were in use that late.

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20 May 2022
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I think you have burst my bubble, Pau! You are almost correct about the date, which is October 11, not October 1, 1962. That certainly means that my overprint is not on a FDC. Here's an enlarged image of the cancellation:

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One thing's clear: the overprint is doubled, which the seller described.

If there were any official FDCs, they might have been cancelled on July 2, 1962, which is the date Scott says they were issued.

I have a few other commercial or private covers franked with the "EA" overprints, one postmarked July 20, 1962, another in September of that year, and a third in October.

De Gaulle announced in 1961 that "major fighting" in Algeria ended months before major fighting ended (rather like President George Bush announced the end of major conflict in Iraq just as major conflict was beginning. A brutal civil war followed the first French attempts to end the conflict in Algeria, with Muslim insurgents fighting disaffected French soldiers who wish to keep Algeria French. Algerians, called Pieds-Noir( 'Black Feet') of French and other European descent, joined the fight against Algerian independence. Arson, bombings, and murder made life difficult for Algerians for months. It's safe to say that democracy, to this day, has not taken a firm hold in Algeria. I think it's also safe to say that the stamps overprinted "EA" for Etat Algerian, using non-standard printing methods, including hand printing, were issued in a period of severe political and social upheaval. It's hard to imagine Algerian philatelists eagerly buying "EA" overprinted stamps and mailing FDCs. It's a lot easier to think of them hunkering down and hoping that they'd live to see the next day.

It would be interesting to learn what Abderrahmane Yessad (foudutimbre) can tell us about my supposed FDC; I believe that he is StampoRama's only Algerian member,

Bob


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Bob,

thanks for bringing us back to what those stamps and covers likely meant to the people who might, or not, been aware of them as they were created. IEDs trump CDSs and FN FALs override FDCs.

I don't know much about the Algerian war, other than it was nasty. I suspect DeGaulle's "end" was a political trompe l'oeile, whereas Bush's was certainly wishful thinking by a man with little command of military reality. Is that true?

David

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04 Jun 2022
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On May 15, I posted an image of this Algerian cover, which had just arrived from Australia:

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It was franked with an overprint reading "EA" for Etat Algerien, or Algerian State; the overprints were created after the end of the vicious Algerian War, from which Algeria emerged as a newly independent country, free of French colonialism. An interesting thing about these overprints is that there are literally dozens of varieties, because postmasters were ordered to produce their own overprints on existing stocks of French stamps, using whatever printing methods they had available — letterpress, rubber stamps, even pen and pencil. Here are several examples, previously posted in another thread:Image Not Found

Now I have received a catalogue from a dealer in Paris, Les surcharge provisoires "E.A." de l'État Algerien, or The provisional "E.A." surcharges of the Algerian State. Here's the catalogues cover:

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And a sample page:

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I don't speak French, even though it's one of Canada's two official languages (the other being Canglish), so Google Translate will be my friend, but it will be interesting to learn more about the "E.A." stamps in my collection.

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Bob, to save yourself some typing, you might try scanning a page of the catalogue then running the scan through a free online OCR program. Take the resulting text file and run THAT through Google translate.

I am sure there will be errors, but it might save a lot of time, if it works.

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Interesting idea, Roy. I've used OCR programs before, without a lot of success, but that was years ago. I'll give it a try! Thank you!

Bob

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05 Jun 2022
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Another interesting cover pulled from the vast hoards of stuff I've been sorting lately.

A nice Springfield, Illinois strike of the "Hire The Handicapped" slogan cancel. Envelope has gone nearly brown from bad paper acid transfer from a piece of cardboard used as a filler card.

The question is... who is this guy? And how is he related to the cover? It is a newspaper clipping glued in place. With the toning around it, you don't even see the edges.

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And Google was no help at all! Surprise

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Adlai Stevenson II

Democratic Presidential candidate 1952 and 1956, beaten by Eisenhower both times.

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05 Jun 2022
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You beat me to it Roy.
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05 Jun 2022
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Thanks! You're better than Google! Happy

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05 Jun 2022
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I remember the 1952 election. My parents were strong Stevenson supporters. I didn't think that he looked "presidential," whatever that meant to my nine-year-old mind. But I predicted — seriously! — that Eisenhower would win. I thought his great reputation as the Allies' as the commander of SHAEF (Supreme Headquarters Allied Expeditionary Force) was a guarantee that he would win, and I was right, of course. It was only many years later that I learned how he ignored pleas from Ho Chi Minh to help oust the French from Indochina (as did Truman and then Kennedy, and then Johnson, and then Nixon), even though the U.S. had provided military hardware and advisors Ho Chi Minh and his Vietminh forces in fighting Japanese occupation troops during the Second World War. I was also upset when the U.S. (under Eisenhower) failed to support the Hungarian Revolution in October and November, 1956.

As part of my Vietnam War collection, I've collected stamps, covers, and ephemera picturing the American presidents who became implicated in the American failure to improve the lives of the Vietnamese people (and made the mistake of thinking that "little brown people" couldn't possibly stand up against the most militarily powerful nation in the world):

Here's a misperfed booklet pane picturing Eisenhower (Scott#139b):

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This cover features a homemade cachet (looks to be cut from a magazine) supporting Johnson for president and Humphrey for vice-president during the 1964-65 presidential campaign. Johnson won, of course, but because of the Vietnam War he chose not to run for a second term.

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05 Jun 2022
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Good catch! Isolationism has always been an American trait. It has always gotten us into trouble down the road.

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05 Jun 2022
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i know we are getting a bit off track ..but we are talking candidates for President...i remember George McGovern wanted to give a thousand dollars a year to every U.S. citizen....i thought that sounded insane...but i sure could have used that xtra 20 bucks a week. Surprise

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."give a thousand dollars a year to every U.S. citizen....i thought that sounded insane".

Remember that the government can't "give" someone money that it doesn't eventually take from someone else.....

This is meant to be a comment on economics but if someone feels it is political kindly remove it - not trying to stir things up.....thank you


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Here's two I pulled out of a small hoard I got in today...

Top one is the "Wheels of Freedom" First Day of Issue on a General Motors corner card. Very cool and right into my automotive collection!

Lower one is the 1945 Alfred Smith First Day of Issue, cancelled with a 1 cent meter cancel instead of the usual First Day of Issue. An imaginative unofficial first day cancel. It goes directly into my 1945 cover book, stains and all.

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" ... Remember that the government can't "give"
someone money that it doesn't eventually take from
someone else..... ...."


That is something to remember when worrying about
inflation. The US government has, rightly, pent billions
on Covid, controls, inoculations, hospitalizations etc. with
no increase in its income.

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