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1898

05 Nov 2022
10:20:34pm
This afternoon I was searching Ebay, and found a very rare unrecognized U. S. A. Stamp. The Cat. is $750.00. Somebody is going have a big win.
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05 Nov 2022
10:40:19pm
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This is why I like to browse rather than search. Bargains are listed everywhere by the uneducated Big Grin

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05 Nov 2022
11:56:19pm
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"Bargains are listed everywhere by the uneducated"



Possibly including random cheap stamps found in SoR Approval Books that some superior minds derisively call "floor sweepings"?

I know I've found a few gems here over the years!

It's the same kind of kick people get from searching through massive boxes of stamps to find the occasional pearl (I'm doing that right now, 4 months after getting one). Harmless fun and the occasional "woo-hoo" (albeit no Powerball winner as of yet).

Cheers, Dave.

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06 Nov 2022
08:01:29am
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Just a bit confused - if's it's unrecognized how can it have a CV. You must mean it was unrecognized by the seller! There are definitely bargains to be found, but it's sometimes hard to separate them from the many lemons out there that are lying in wait!

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06 Nov 2022
08:46:48am
re: Very Rare

Harvey, the parent stamp has the CV, this is an error, very rare, and is listed at $750!

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06 Nov 2022
08:58:02am
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I assume you're bidding, as you're not sharing the link? I'd love to see it!

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06 Nov 2022
09:32:02am
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""if's it's unrecognized how can it have a CV.""


I asked myself the same question, seems like one of those unsearched mixes, then they tell you what and what not it contains.

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1898

06 Nov 2022
09:46:25am
re: Very Rare

That would be unethical in my opinion, anyone could find this stamp on Ebay.

Just for fun I'll put a bid on it!

@Harvey you could put a bid on this stamp and then sale it so you could afford some of the stamps you are missing! Better hurry up as there is only 10 minutes left.

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1898

06 Nov 2022
10:01:42am
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The auction is over. The winning bid was $237.50. which is $215.00 above the seller's CV of $22.50!

The stamp was R120 with a foreign design entry with a CV of $750.00, somebody won big!

Hope Harvey won this one!

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06 Nov 2022
10:09:46am
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Thanks for letting us know, but your description means diddly-squat to anyone outside the US! What's an R120, what's a foreign design entry and which country?

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06 Nov 2022
10:16:29am
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I see the stamp, but unless I am blind (getting close) I can hardly make out a post mark, much less a foreign design entry. Please for the sake of clarity, tell me what it is and what it is supposed to look like.

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06 Nov 2022
10:34:59am
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"Hope Harvey won this one!"


I get the distinct feeling that I'm being made fun of here a bit and, as The Queen used to say, "We are not amused"! I am very basic in my collecting of US revenue stamps and would not want this stamp even if I had seen it. I also am showing my ignorance here, but I have no idea what a foreign entry is! I am very serious about my basic US and Canada collections but except for variations on the large and small Queens of Canada, I mostly stay away from errors and variations. Yes, I do spend a fair bit on my collections but I usually very careful what I bid on or buy. And yes, I do sometimes talk about my latest buys, but it's meant to be informative and hopefully it isn't seen as boasting - that really isn't the intent! I am very pleased with the progress I am making on my collections and since I have no friends who collect I like to discuss it here. If you would rather I didn't do so please let me know and I will not do so. I hope everyone is having a good weekend!!
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06 Nov 2022
11:54:59am
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"That would be unethical in my opinion, anyone could find this stamp on Ebay."




And why would that be unethical? Obviously you haven't been reading the MB, members post eBay links on a regular basis.
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1898

06 Nov 2022
02:09:03pm
re: Very Rare

It's unethical in my opinion.

I have no idea what ever MB is.

The country was identifed in my original posting!

I hope somebody from StampoRama got it.

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1898

06 Nov 2022
08:53:22pm
re: Very Rare

I made a mistake in my original posting "Foreign Design Entry" should have been "Foreign Design Transfer".

This error was created when a transfer roll from R118 ($1.00) was laid down first. It had to be erased (but some design elements did not get erased). Next the correct transfer roll was laid down (R120), the design elments from the R118 transfer roll show up on the R120 (see the Pick Up Points on the scan with arrows.

I've studied this error and have determined it only appears on one position, but I don't know which position yet.

The PUPs show the foreign design transfer errors.

By the way R120 around 95% of them are off center.

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07 Nov 2022
12:46:36pm
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My R120 is also off center, but in the other direction. Unfortunately it does not have the design transfer error!! No problem there since I really don't want to start collecting the errors anyway!! It's expensive enough working on countries where I am interested in varieties. Thanks for showing the pictures, the more we know the better!!

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07 Nov 2022
02:45:46pm
re: Very Rare

Harvey

Both my examples cost $5 and $10 each.

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07 Nov 2022
02:55:23pm
re: Very Rare

"Both my examples cost $5 and $10 each. "


It's not really the money, it's mostly the huge number of US revenues there are to find! There are masses of dated reds and dated greens alone to look for. I decided that unless variants actually fell into my lap I wasn't going to look for them. Revenues are one of your main areas, mine are Canada, US, Poland and Russia. When you throw in all the other areas I collect (check my profile) I really don't need to get into variations of US revenues. I love my hobby, but you have to draw the line somewhere.

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1898

07 Nov 2022
02:58:39pm
re: Very Rare

Stamp Collector, you said on your "6 Nov 2022 at 10:34:59AM And why would that be unethical? Obviously you haven't been reading the MB, members post eBay links on a regular basis."

Will you be sharing exactly what "MB" is?

Thank you in Advance

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07 Nov 2022
05:20:51pm
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"Will you be sharing exactly what "MB" is?"


MB means message board, in this case, Stamporama Discussions.

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07 Nov 2022
05:50:47pm
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Sir, thanks, I had no idea.

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10 Nov 2022
09:52:06am
re: Very Rare

"... what's a foreign design entry and which country?....|"

This is a quite interesting thread, but one last question.(I hope.)
Why "Foreign " ?
I understand that there are traces of the previous transfer attempt, but was that not also from a legitimate R118, a US revenue issue. Is that just the usual verbiage ?
If the original transfer had been successful and not noticed the result would be, (once separated and possibly used ), a legitimate US Revenue stamp, would it not?

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1898

10 Nov 2022
06:00:05pm
re: Very Rare

cdj1122

Your questions "What's a foreign design entry and which country?

My answer "See my posting on 6 Nov 2022 at 08:53:22 which answers your question. See my original posting for which country"

Your question "Why Foreign"

My Answer "As listed in catalog"

Hope my friend this answers all your questions.


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10 Nov 2022
06:11:15pm
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Just to help clarify - it's not foreign as in "foreign country", it's foreign as in "not what should be there". I think!

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10 Nov 2022
06:32:10pm
re: Very Rare

Thank you Harvey, you are right

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11 Nov 2022
11:16:22am
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Just to clarify;
I copied, and used both quotes and emboldening of the sentence,
" ... "What's a foreign design entry and which country? ..."
to show the reader what post, and where in that post, the phrase "Foreign transfer" was used without any explanation. That way, it is not necessary for a reader to scroll back among multiple posts wondering what I am referring to, especially when there have been many, and often diverse comments on several subjects posted.
Apparently my efforts have failed in this instance.
It is best to keep in mind that there are often newbies reading the comments, some of whom may not be familiar with philatelic jargon.





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11 Nov 2022
05:40:51pm
re: Very Rare

Thankyou Charlie
I am one of those who didn`t have a clue as to what a foreign transfer was to begin with and then I was lost along the way.....
Too serious for this fun collector of postal items ...not just stamps
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1898

11 Nov 2022
08:43:14pm
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Defination from "Encyclipedia of Plate Varieties on U.S. Bureau-Printed Postage Stamps by Loren C. French" which by the way is an excellent resource for plate varieties on Fiscal stamps and other non Bureau Printed issues.

"Foreign Transfers show parts of a wrong design through the final impression" I changed the wording in an effort to make it clearer of new collectors etc., but I failed, sorry everybody. I suppose my scans did not help much. Wish I could delete my original posting and try again.


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05 Nov 2022
10:20:34pm

This afternoon I was searching Ebay, and found a very rare unrecognized U. S. A. Stamp. The Cat. is $750.00. Somebody is going have a big win.

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05 Nov 2022
10:40:19pm

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This is why I like to browse rather than search. Bargains are listed everywhere by the uneducated Big Grin

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05 Nov 2022
11:56:19pm

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"Bargains are listed everywhere by the uneducated"



Possibly including random cheap stamps found in SoR Approval Books that some superior minds derisively call "floor sweepings"?

I know I've found a few gems here over the years!

It's the same kind of kick people get from searching through massive boxes of stamps to find the occasional pearl (I'm doing that right now, 4 months after getting one). Harmless fun and the occasional "woo-hoo" (albeit no Powerball winner as of yet).

Cheers, Dave.

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06 Nov 2022
08:01:29am

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Just a bit confused - if's it's unrecognized how can it have a CV. You must mean it was unrecognized by the seller! There are definitely bargains to be found, but it's sometimes hard to separate them from the many lemons out there that are lying in wait!

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06 Nov 2022
08:46:48am

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Harvey, the parent stamp has the CV, this is an error, very rare, and is listed at $750!

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06 Nov 2022
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I assume you're bidding, as you're not sharing the link? I'd love to see it!

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06 Nov 2022
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""if's it's unrecognized how can it have a CV.""


I asked myself the same question, seems like one of those unsearched mixes, then they tell you what and what not it contains.

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06 Nov 2022
09:46:25am

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That would be unethical in my opinion, anyone could find this stamp on Ebay.

Just for fun I'll put a bid on it!

@Harvey you could put a bid on this stamp and then sale it so you could afford some of the stamps you are missing! Better hurry up as there is only 10 minutes left.

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1898

06 Nov 2022
10:01:42am

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The auction is over. The winning bid was $237.50. which is $215.00 above the seller's CV of $22.50!

The stamp was R120 with a foreign design entry with a CV of $750.00, somebody won big!

Hope Harvey won this one!

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06 Nov 2022
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Thanks for letting us know, but your description means diddly-squat to anyone outside the US! What's an R120, what's a foreign design entry and which country?

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06 Nov 2022
10:16:29am

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I see the stamp, but unless I am blind (getting close) I can hardly make out a post mark, much less a foreign design entry. Please for the sake of clarity, tell me what it is and what it is supposed to look like.

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"Hope Harvey won this one!"


I get the distinct feeling that I'm being made fun of here a bit and, as The Queen used to say, "We are not amused"! I am very basic in my collecting of US revenue stamps and would not want this stamp even if I had seen it. I also am showing my ignorance here, but I have no idea what a foreign entry is! I am very serious about my basic US and Canada collections but except for variations on the large and small Queens of Canada, I mostly stay away from errors and variations. Yes, I do spend a fair bit on my collections but I usually very careful what I bid on or buy. And yes, I do sometimes talk about my latest buys, but it's meant to be informative and hopefully it isn't seen as boasting - that really isn't the intent! I am very pleased with the progress I am making on my collections and since I have no friends who collect I like to discuss it here. If you would rather I didn't do so please let me know and I will not do so. I hope everyone is having a good weekend!!
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11:54:59am

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"That would be unethical in my opinion, anyone could find this stamp on Ebay."




And why would that be unethical? Obviously you haven't been reading the MB, members post eBay links on a regular basis.
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06 Nov 2022
02:09:03pm

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It's unethical in my opinion.

I have no idea what ever MB is.

The country was identifed in my original posting!

I hope somebody from StampoRama got it.

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06 Nov 2022
08:53:22pm

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I made a mistake in my original posting "Foreign Design Entry" should have been "Foreign Design Transfer".

This error was created when a transfer roll from R118 ($1.00) was laid down first. It had to be erased (but some design elements did not get erased). Next the correct transfer roll was laid down (R120), the design elments from the R118 transfer roll show up on the R120 (see the Pick Up Points on the scan with arrows.

I've studied this error and have determined it only appears on one position, but I don't know which position yet.

The PUPs show the foreign design transfer errors.

By the way R120 around 95% of them are off center.

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07 Nov 2022
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My R120 is also off center, but in the other direction. Unfortunately it does not have the design transfer error!! No problem there since I really don't want to start collecting the errors anyway!! It's expensive enough working on countries where I am interested in varieties. Thanks for showing the pictures, the more we know the better!!

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07 Nov 2022
02:45:46pm

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Harvey

Both my examples cost $5 and $10 each.

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"Both my examples cost $5 and $10 each. "


It's not really the money, it's mostly the huge number of US revenues there are to find! There are masses of dated reds and dated greens alone to look for. I decided that unless variants actually fell into my lap I wasn't going to look for them. Revenues are one of your main areas, mine are Canada, US, Poland and Russia. When you throw in all the other areas I collect (check my profile) I really don't need to get into variations of US revenues. I love my hobby, but you have to draw the line somewhere.

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07 Nov 2022
02:58:39pm

re: Very Rare

Stamp Collector, you said on your "6 Nov 2022 at 10:34:59AM And why would that be unethical? Obviously you haven't been reading the MB, members post eBay links on a regular basis."

Will you be sharing exactly what "MB" is?

Thank you in Advance

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07 Nov 2022
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"Will you be sharing exactly what "MB" is?"


MB means message board, in this case, Stamporama Discussions.

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07 Nov 2022
05:50:47pm

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Sir, thanks, I had no idea.

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"... what's a foreign design entry and which country?....|"

This is a quite interesting thread, but one last question.(I hope.)
Why "Foreign " ?
I understand that there are traces of the previous transfer attempt, but was that not also from a legitimate R118, a US revenue issue. Is that just the usual verbiage ?
If the original transfer had been successful and not noticed the result would be, (once separated and possibly used ), a legitimate US Revenue stamp, would it not?

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10 Nov 2022
06:00:05pm

re: Very Rare

cdj1122

Your questions "What's a foreign design entry and which country?

My answer "See my posting on 6 Nov 2022 at 08:53:22 which answers your question. See my original posting for which country"

Your question "Why Foreign"

My Answer "As listed in catalog"

Hope my friend this answers all your questions.


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Just to help clarify - it's not foreign as in "foreign country", it's foreign as in "not what should be there". I think!

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10 Nov 2022
06:32:10pm

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Thank you Harvey, you are right

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Just to clarify;
I copied, and used both quotes and emboldening of the sentence,
" ... "What's a foreign design entry and which country? ..."
to show the reader what post, and where in that post, the phrase "Foreign transfer" was used without any explanation. That way, it is not necessary for a reader to scroll back among multiple posts wondering what I am referring to, especially when there have been many, and often diverse comments on several subjects posted.
Apparently my efforts have failed in this instance.
It is best to keep in mind that there are often newbies reading the comments, some of whom may not be familiar with philatelic jargon.





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11 Nov 2022
05:40:51pm

re: Very Rare

Thankyou Charlie
I am one of those who didn`t have a clue as to what a foreign transfer was to begin with and then I was lost along the way.....
Too serious for this fun collector of postal items ...not just stamps
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Cheryl...
ps I thought it were a printing error..ink flaw

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11 Nov 2022
08:43:14pm

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Defination from "Encyclipedia of Plate Varieties on U.S. Bureau-Printed Postage Stamps by Loren C. French" which by the way is an excellent resource for plate varieties on Fiscal stamps and other non Bureau Printed issues.

"Foreign Transfers show parts of a wrong design through the final impression" I changed the wording in an effort to make it clearer of new collectors etc., but I failed, sorry everybody. I suppose my scans did not help much. Wish I could delete my original posting and try again.


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