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Here is a negatiive "S" from Schroon Lake, NY.
This is a Masonic cancel from Bucksport, ME. An open book inside a six point star.
This group of FLS have a small red pointing finger next to the word paid. Top cover is from Cocord, NH, 1833. The next two are both from Hartford, CT, 1848
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fabulous; the East Richford blue cancel is also quite unusual. Nice covers all
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That PAID-3 is great, Vince -
first time seeing one!
If I may ask, what is the value on it?
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Thanks!
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Thanks for pointing out the word “cents”. I would have missed it. Very nice images
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I picked up this US c-18 mint never hinged plate block at last nights Stamp club meeting
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A lovely Baby Zepp plate block, Bobgggg.
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Thank you for sharing Vince. A real joy to see!
Larry
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Here are some new additions.
Two Postal Cards with Chicago Blue Cancels.
Here are two "Tiny" covers. The first is a Christmas card in an envelope 66x54mm. There is also a Campbels Soup kid sticker on the back .
This cover is 62x47mm.
That is glitter in the seal.
Four page folded letter.
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Here is a postal card mailed 40 days after the Great San Fransisco Earthquake and Fire of 1906. It was important for insurance companies to set up shop to help with the rebuilding of the city. This fits into several of my collecting interests. Insurance, Fire and Disaster.
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One more scan or today. Here is a cover I purchased because it had an experimental Patent cancel. Patent cancels were used to cut or scar the stamps to help the cancelling ink soak in and help to advoid reuse. The back flap was attached by a hinge so I wanted to reinforce the flap. When I did so I discovered that this was also an turned cover. These are scans of the cover front, interior and the patent holes on the inside of the cover.
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Nice items friends!
Of my last acquisitions are from Switzerland, MNH and CTO:
Regards,
Rodolfo
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Finally was able to add this rare S/S from Belgium
Now I need a mount of the right size for it. Had to rig it as best as I could temporarily.
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Stopped at the Bangkok GPO on Saturday where there was a show and a few dealers. I picked up the missing first series Rama 5 1885 postcard for my Siam collection. Although this will complete my collection of the first series postcards, that isn't strictly true. The one below was produced using two different sized fonts. This is the larger font. The surcharge to 4 atts was the international postcard rate. (There is actually one more card from the first series with a "4" overprinted in each corner of the printed stamp, but this is possibly a bogus issue.)
This is the space it will fill.
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Been after one of these test stamps in used condition for a while.
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Here is a recent acquisition that arrived in the mail today. As we used to say back when I lived in Australia (after watching the movie "The Castle"), this is "going straight to the Pool Room!".
I've had to put this in my system under the town in the destination rather from where it was sent from (usually the sending Post Office) because I can't work out where the sender lived.
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Good shooting.
A .357 from 15 meters i presume.
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Yesterday I received two nice stamps!!! Penny Black TG with O'Flaw Stage 1, Plate 8 with Maltese Cross, Black and KEVII, One Pound Green, De La Rue Printing!
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New addition to my new US collection
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Of my last acquisitions now in my Collection: Mexico, ½ real Brown, Imperial Eagle of Maximilian I, 1864 Issue of the First Period with only name in Ghotic "MEXICO". Only 1288 stamps were produced with this District divided in 4 invoices. They are scarce and rare!.
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That stamp from Mexico is rather interesting. Congratulations on your find! Is it used?
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Thanks for your kind comments friend!. The stamp is in mint condition.
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This is the expensive US revenue stamp I got from my stamp dealer earlier this week. It was mentioned in the closed discussion area.
If out "departed friend" was still with us I'd need to include a scan of the back, trust me there is nothing there. So here is RD312, very boring but nice to have!! Can anyone tell me, so I don't have to look it up, what the SCC stands for?
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Nothing boring about revenue stamps to me, Harvey!
Nice copy - still missing that one.
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"still missing that one."
I'm missing many of the dated reds and greens. I haven't really been concentrating them for very long but hopefully I'll get there eventually!
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Here is some literature I recently added to my library.
These two books are V-Mail sent by Harry Chrisman to his wife Catherine while he was stationed in the Pacific. The author, Sheryl Jones is the daughter of Harry and Catherine. There are no letters, just drawings/comics.
I like propaganda comics from WWll. A picture is worth a thousand words. These comics show what many were thinking at the time.
I picked these two catalogs at my club meeting.
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After almost 30 years of searching and a few failed bids when offered in auctions, I have finally been able to add this stamp from the Danish West Indies to my collection. In this case, it is the "normal frame" that is the scarce stamp. There were 350 sheets of 100 with this overprint, thus 350 stamps having the normal frame can exist. Having several mint copies, it feels great to finally have cancelled examples, which were purchased in the same auction last month.
First up we have a nice canceled pair on piece. The first stamp features the "inverted frame" with the second featuring the "normal frame." The characteristic differences have been circled in the second scan.
Catalog numbers: Scott 27 & 27a; Facit 25 & 25v; AFA 20y & 20
As much as I wish the single below had a bit better centering, I'm very happy with the colors and condition and to have finally filled that blank space in my album!
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Laeding,
Great stamps, great buy!
Mike
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Thanks, Mike! Those are tough little rascals to find!
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Here are some new items i picked up for my cancel colection.
Rosette on a Black Jack, Probably from NY, HP from Hyde park, NY and a fancy Geometric.
Boston,MA from third class mail.
FLI, probably a postmaster's initials. I'm still checking.
Letter W in star in circle.
A beautiful strike of a New Orleans Fancy Geometric. I find the best strikes are on postal cards.
Letter T from Troy, NH.
Letter W from Weston, MA on a small ladies cover.
Three strikes of OK on cover from Beloit, Wi. There is a variety of OK cancels from Beloit.
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Vinman - you always find the neatest stuff. Really enjoy the cancels you post. Thanks for sharing!
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Here are more recent acquisitions.
HK from Hancock, NY
Blue Geometric from Savannah, GA with a blue carrier marking.
This type of marking was used in a number of cities with various denominations. It is known as an Attached Rate marking. There is also a free marking from some cities.
Way 6 applied on a FLS from Mobile, AL to New Orleans, LA.
Postage Due 1c auxillary marking.
Advertised and unclaimd markings.
This is a favorite of mine. I am drawn to drawings added to covers by the sender. "Somewhere in New Guinea"
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Vince,
The 'W' in the star in the circle - that is cool. I've never seen one like that. Do you know how rare it is (or isn't)?
And the drawing on the cover with the monkey and snake - great stuff!
Thanks for posting!
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The writing on those envelopes are simply exquisite! I'd put them in my collection just for the writing!
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Italy Scott# C62-C65 MNH (1934 World Soccer Championship)
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I really like all of the recent additions, but how do you tell if the lady that sent that cover is small? Could that be what the embossed "S" indicates??? And that pair of three centers you said were third class looked more like first class stamps to me, if you don't count the small faults.
That Italian Air S/P's is beautiful also, Dakota, great find.
Mike
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A couple of new books for the shelf
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A lovely Carlow, Ireland cancel for my birth date bought today.
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Very nice example with a clear CDS Dave! 
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A few from a large lot of Israel/Palestine/Jordan Registration labels. They came from a local auction.
The ones shown here are from the Jordanian Occupation of Palestine, 1948-67.
The blank labels were used as back-up in the larger towns and cities or dispatched to Post Offices in smaller villages or outlying areas. These would be handstamped with the location or simply penned or penciled in.
Also shown are a few Parcel labels.
Note the poor perf/roulette types !!
Jerusalem (Citadel) covered two locations in David's City.
Can I say 'Merry Christmas' ?
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Here is an interesting cover from July 18th 1827 that I picked up from an APS Approval Book at today's Twin City Philatelic Society meeting:
That had the following letter inside:
It was a great meeting. Daytime meetings work better for me these days. I don't have to drive at night, which is getting harder.
Regards ... Tim
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Can someone help me understand the postage rate and possibly the date send on the above cover that I posted. A previous owner had determined that it was send in 1827 and wrote that on the cover in pencil. The post office wrote on it that it weighed 2.5oz and determined that it cost 1.25 cents. Now, from my research on Google, back in 1827 they weren't all that concerned over the weight. A letter was defined as a single sheet of paper, which this was, although it had another sheet rapt around it. And then the distance traveled was used to calculate the cost. I'm not understanding how they got to 1.25 cents. Can anyone help?
Regards ... Tim
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i'll see if Beecher goes back that far
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Tim,
Was cash sent through the mail at that time for a special fee? Similar to registered mail. Seems that I have read that somewhere.
If so the manuscript fee might be $1.25.
The addressee, Elie Beatty was a bank cashier and announced an election of Hagers-Town Bank officers in a local paper 1 April 1825. He signs himself as "cashier" in the announcement.
The sender, Jno (Jonathon) Jack signs himself as "cashier" in the letter.
Some words I can't make out but the gist of the letter is an apology frm Jack for not sending a large amount of cash through the mail.
The cashier Jack seems to say that the amount is in the "wrap" or cover of the letter.
Romney, Virginia (now West Virginia) is about 70 or so miles from Hagerstown.
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Hi Charlie,
Well done! You got a lot further with the letter that I did. It didn't occur to me that they might be sending cash through the mail. Did they do that a lot back then? It does explain why it was a bit heavier than I expected.
Regards ... Tim
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Tim,
Found an article in the U.S. Philatelic Classics Society's publication "The Chronicle" issue #263, August 2019.
There was no Registered Mail until the 1850s I believe and no insurance until sometime in the 1900s, so sending cash was a gamble.
Some letters illustrated in the article are endorsed "money" or had the actual cash amount on the front of the cover. (Probably not a great idea)
All the covers shown were charged multiples of the single sheet postal rate from the mileage charts in effect when they were mailed. So weight must have played a part in the cost and explains why the weight is noted on your cover.
The single sheet rate from 1816-1845 was 12 1/2 cents for 81-150 miles.
Your cover was charged 10 times that rate no doubt due to it's weight.
It also seems that Elie Beatty was involved in this frequently, the article mentions "Beatty is well known to collectors of stampless covers".
Another cover addressed to him is included in the article and is dated 12 April 1834. That contained a $275 cash loan payment described as a large file. It was charged 4 times the single sheet rate.
Nice cover, good find.
Charlie
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Hi Charlie,
Wow ... that's great! I love it when you can tease out the story behind a cover. I always learn something, usually something really interesting as in this case.
So, back in the 1816-1845 period, they didn't have bank checks in the way that we do now, right? But they must have had the ability to send a draft on a bank instructing the bank to pay a certain amount to a particular person. I lot of that sort of thing must have happened by mail because many people lived a long way away from banks.
I had to laugh at myself a little when I read your last post. When I first looked at the cover and saw that it was addressed to "Elie Beatty" I without thinking assumed that Elie was a lady. In other words my mind read "Elie" as "Ellie". I should have realized by the Esquire after the name. Thinking about it I'm sure they would not have addressed a lady as "Esquire". 
Also, there probably were not too many ladies working in professional type jobs back then e.g. bank cashiers.
Thanks for helping me understand what was going on.
Regards ... Tim
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Here are some stamps that arrived today. I bought them for the cancels.
This is a strip of three of scott us 124.
The first and fifth stamp on the top row are fake cancels, I found this out after I received them from an online dealer. They were cheap enouigh that I would have purchased them anyway for my "fake cancel' collection. The second stamp is a six point star, several towns used this type of cancel. The third and fourth stamps are San Fancisco Cog cancels.
The bottom row is a New York Foreign Mail Cancel. The second is a shield, again several cities used this style of cancel. The third is a Glenn Allen Star pre-cancel. There are two styles of this cancel, this is the smaller and more difficult to find. The last stamp is a letter"H" on an Official War Department stamp.
Here are scans of the back of the fake cancels along with two scans of the real cancels. Usually but not always the cancel ink bleeds through the stamp. first two on the bottom are the fakes. Compare the ink bleed through to the other two examples.
Also, the ink on the first stamp don't look right in person and the real give away is the partial previous cancel on the lower left of the first stamp
I know the dealer would accept them back but I plan on keepin them
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I'm drooling over the Glen Allen star. I want one of each type in a bad sort of way.
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Here's my latest two additions to my New Jersey collection...
1916 250th Anniversary of Newark. I had a copy of this slogan, but this is a very nice strike on a clean cover.
1950 Nice hammer cancels, but the winning point is the Newark Airport seal!
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Here are some covers that arrived this week.
This group of Tiny covers are all under 2 1/2 inches.
I like the postage due stamp and "contains writing" marking.
This is an attached label to a package, there are staple holes on the end.
This is my favorite from this group.
Due 6 in oval with an illeagle use of an R24c istead of a postage stamp.
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From my Collection: Of my last acquisitions, Penny Black, strip of three, AB, AC, AD with unusual mark, re-entries, Ray Flaws, O'Flaws, guide dot, extended line, etc.
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Here are some items that arrived in the past week.
This first postal card had me stumped for just a bit. There is a Springtown, PA Saw tooth CDS dated Nov 5, 1885 with Maltese Cross cancelling the card on the front and the same CDS on the rear with a date of Nov 4, 1885. After looking at the card I realized the CDS on the back was applied before the note was written because the writing goes around it. I checked Postmaster Finder for Springtown and the Postmaster is Henry S. Mill, 2/12/1878-5/6/1884 then 9/7/1885-7/23/1889. Mystery solved, the Postmaster used the CDS to date his postal card.
A link to information on the addressee, Freed Brothers.
https://mennoniteheritagecenter.pastperf ...
This postal card has a drawing of a woman in a boat on a lake. It is addressed but has no postnark. I am attracted to drawings on cards and envelopes.
I added this cover to my Christmas Seal collection.
This last cover is a folded Letter Sheet with a free marking from the Postmaster of Cold Spring, NY to Rev Absalom Peters, Sec Home Missionaries, Nassau Street, New York. No contents.
Here is a link to more information about Absalom Peters.
https://prabook.com/web/absalom.peters/1 ...
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Brian, I don't collect Dutch East Indies but I do like overprints. I had to look up 18 Dec 1948 and Jogjakarta. Interesting bit of history. Where these valid for postage and if so for how long?
Vince
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I believe they were produced for the philatelic market, never serving any postal need. an American stamp dealer called Stolow is responsible.
See: https://stampmagazine.co.uk/how-netherla ...
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As a Neth.-Indies / Indonesia collector.... wow! Very interesting!
Merdeka!
David
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Finally got the 2c Kansas City block back from APEX with a clean cert.
Lars
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The Kelleher Stamp Collectors Quarterly 4th Quarter 2023 issue has an excellent article on roulettes. I confess I knew very little about them, but now educated!
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Today arrived another Penny Black for my Collection, Plate 3. Worn Plate. Used with Local Postmark Stoneavon, Red Maltese Cross with double line in the border line. Not to be confused with Stonehaven cancel. it has double line in all the Maltese Cross.
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Another new arrival. Great Britain, 1840 Penny Blue, Plate 1, very light Black Maltese Cross.
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I've always had an interest in Canadian errors/varieties and just got this from my regular dealer. The $75 is a fair price for such a nice block and I'm very happy with it! You can just barely see the tear under the eye here but it really is there! I don't actually have it yet so I can't show a close up!
I also just finished paying for a very nice mint copy of the $5 Queen Victoria Jubilee stamp. I now have finally managed to replace my last used copy of the series and will soon have the entire series mint - that took a very long time. I'll have my friend download the page and share it with you when the stamp arrives! It was a fairly pricey journey but worth it in the long run, at least to me it was! And really isn't that all that really matters?
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Here is a negatiive "S" from Schroon Lake, NY.
This is a Masonic cancel from Bucksport, ME. An open book inside a six point star.
This group of FLS have a small red pointing finger next to the word paid. Top cover is from Cocord, NH, 1833. The next two are both from Hartford, CT, 1848
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fabulous; the East Richford blue cancel is also quite unusual. Nice covers all
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Future Delivery Provisional
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That PAID-3 is great, Vince -
first time seeing one!
If I may ask, what is the value on it?
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Thanks for pointing out the word “cents”. I would have missed it. Very nice images
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I picked up this US c-18 mint never hinged plate block at last nights Stamp club meeting
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A lovely Baby Zepp plate block, Bobgggg.
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Thank you for sharing Vince. A real joy to see!
Larry
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Here are some new additions.
Two Postal Cards with Chicago Blue Cancels.
Here are two "Tiny" covers. The first is a Christmas card in an envelope 66x54mm. There is also a Campbels Soup kid sticker on the back .
This cover is 62x47mm.
That is glitter in the seal.
Four page folded letter.
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Here is a postal card mailed 40 days after the Great San Fransisco Earthquake and Fire of 1906. It was important for insurance companies to set up shop to help with the rebuilding of the city. This fits into several of my collecting interests. Insurance, Fire and Disaster.
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One more scan or today. Here is a cover I purchased because it had an experimental Patent cancel. Patent cancels were used to cut or scar the stamps to help the cancelling ink soak in and help to advoid reuse. The back flap was attached by a hinge so I wanted to reinforce the flap. When I did so I discovered that this was also an turned cover. These are scans of the cover front, interior and the patent holes on the inside of the cover.
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Nice items friends!
Of my last acquisitions are from Switzerland, MNH and CTO:
Regards,
Rodolfo
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Finally was able to add this rare S/S from Belgium
Now I need a mount of the right size for it. Had to rig it as best as I could temporarily.
rrr...
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Stopped at the Bangkok GPO on Saturday where there was a show and a few dealers. I picked up the missing first series Rama 5 1885 postcard for my Siam collection. Although this will complete my collection of the first series postcards, that isn't strictly true. The one below was produced using two different sized fonts. This is the larger font. The surcharge to 4 atts was the international postcard rate. (There is actually one more card from the first series with a "4" overprinted in each corner of the printed stamp, but this is possibly a bogus issue.)
This is the space it will fill.
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Been after one of these test stamps in used condition for a while.
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Here is a recent acquisition that arrived in the mail today. As we used to say back when I lived in Australia (after watching the movie "The Castle"), this is "going straight to the Pool Room!".
I've had to put this in my system under the town in the destination rather from where it was sent from (usually the sending Post Office) because I can't work out where the sender lived.
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Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
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Good shooting.
A .357 from 15 meters i presume.
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Yesterday I received two nice stamps!!! Penny Black TG with O'Flaw Stage 1, Plate 8 with Maltese Cross, Black and KEVII, One Pound Green, De La Rue Printing!
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New addition to my new US collection
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Of my last acquisitions now in my Collection: Mexico, ½ real Brown, Imperial Eagle of Maximilian I, 1864 Issue of the First Period with only name in Ghotic "MEXICO". Only 1288 stamps were produced with this District divided in 4 invoices. They are scarce and rare!.
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That stamp from Mexico is rather interesting. Congratulations on your find! Is it used?
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Thanks for your kind comments friend!. The stamp is in mint condition.
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This is my diabetic cat OBI! I think, therefore I am - I think! Descartes, sort of!
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This is the expensive US revenue stamp I got from my stamp dealer earlier this week. It was mentioned in the closed discussion area.
If out "departed friend" was still with us I'd need to include a scan of the back, trust me there is nothing there. So here is RD312, very boring but nice to have!! Can anyone tell me, so I don't have to look it up, what the SCC stands for?
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Nothing boring about revenue stamps to me, Harvey!
Nice copy - still missing that one.
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This is my diabetic cat OBI! I think, therefore I am - I think! Descartes, sort of!
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"still missing that one."
I'm missing many of the dated reds and greens. I haven't really been concentrating them for very long but hopefully I'll get there eventually!
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Here is some literature I recently added to my library.
These two books are V-Mail sent by Harry Chrisman to his wife Catherine while he was stationed in the Pacific. The author, Sheryl Jones is the daughter of Harry and Catherine. There are no letters, just drawings/comics.
I like propaganda comics from WWll. A picture is worth a thousand words. These comics show what many were thinking at the time.
I picked these two catalogs at my club meeting.
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After almost 30 years of searching and a few failed bids when offered in auctions, I have finally been able to add this stamp from the Danish West Indies to my collection. In this case, it is the "normal frame" that is the scarce stamp. There were 350 sheets of 100 with this overprint, thus 350 stamps having the normal frame can exist. Having several mint copies, it feels great to finally have cancelled examples, which were purchased in the same auction last month.
First up we have a nice canceled pair on piece. The first stamp features the "inverted frame" with the second featuring the "normal frame." The characteristic differences have been circled in the second scan.
Catalog numbers: Scott 27 & 27a; Facit 25 & 25v; AFA 20y & 20
As much as I wish the single below had a bit better centering, I'm very happy with the colors and condition and to have finally filled that blank space in my album!
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Laeding,
Great stamps, great buy!
Mike
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Thanks, Mike! Those are tough little rascals to find!
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Here are some new items i picked up for my cancel colection.
Rosette on a Black Jack, Probably from NY, HP from Hyde park, NY and a fancy Geometric.
Boston,MA from third class mail.
FLI, probably a postmaster's initials. I'm still checking.
Letter W in star in circle.
A beautiful strike of a New Orleans Fancy Geometric. I find the best strikes are on postal cards.
Letter T from Troy, NH.
Letter W from Weston, MA on a small ladies cover.
Three strikes of OK on cover from Beloit, Wi. There is a variety of OK cancels from Beloit.
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Vinman - you always find the neatest stuff. Really enjoy the cancels you post. Thanks for sharing!
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Here are more recent acquisitions.
HK from Hancock, NY
Blue Geometric from Savannah, GA with a blue carrier marking.
This type of marking was used in a number of cities with various denominations. It is known as an Attached Rate marking. There is also a free marking from some cities.
Way 6 applied on a FLS from Mobile, AL to New Orleans, LA.
Postage Due 1c auxillary marking.
Advertised and unclaimd markings.
This is a favorite of mine. I am drawn to drawings added to covers by the sender. "Somewhere in New Guinea"
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Vince,
The 'W' in the star in the circle - that is cool. I've never seen one like that. Do you know how rare it is (or isn't)?
And the drawing on the cover with the monkey and snake - great stuff!
Thanks for posting!
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The writing on those envelopes are simply exquisite! I'd put them in my collection just for the writing!
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Italy Scott# C62-C65 MNH (1934 World Soccer Championship)
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I really like all of the recent additions, but how do you tell if the lady that sent that cover is small? Could that be what the embossed "S" indicates??? And that pair of three centers you said were third class looked more like first class stamps to me, if you don't count the small faults.
That Italian Air S/P's is beautiful also, Dakota, great find.
Mike
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A couple of new books for the shelf
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A lovely Carlow, Ireland cancel for my birth date bought today.
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Very nice example with a clear CDS Dave!
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A few from a large lot of Israel/Palestine/Jordan Registration labels. They came from a local auction.
The ones shown here are from the Jordanian Occupation of Palestine, 1948-67.
The blank labels were used as back-up in the larger towns and cities or dispatched to Post Offices in smaller villages or outlying areas. These would be handstamped with the location or simply penned or penciled in.
Also shown are a few Parcel labels.
Note the poor perf/roulette types !!
Jerusalem (Citadel) covered two locations in David's City.
Can I say 'Merry Christmas' ?
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Here is an interesting cover from July 18th 1827 that I picked up from an APS Approval Book at today's Twin City Philatelic Society meeting:
That had the following letter inside:
It was a great meeting. Daytime meetings work better for me these days. I don't have to drive at night, which is getting harder.
Regards ... Tim
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Can someone help me understand the postage rate and possibly the date send on the above cover that I posted. A previous owner had determined that it was send in 1827 and wrote that on the cover in pencil. The post office wrote on it that it weighed 2.5oz and determined that it cost 1.25 cents. Now, from my research on Google, back in 1827 they weren't all that concerned over the weight. A letter was defined as a single sheet of paper, which this was, although it had another sheet rapt around it. And then the distance traveled was used to calculate the cost. I'm not understanding how they got to 1.25 cents. Can anyone help?
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i'll see if Beecher goes back that far
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Tim,
Was cash sent through the mail at that time for a special fee? Similar to registered mail. Seems that I have read that somewhere.
If so the manuscript fee might be $1.25.
The addressee, Elie Beatty was a bank cashier and announced an election of Hagers-Town Bank officers in a local paper 1 April 1825. He signs himself as "cashier" in the announcement.
The sender, Jno (Jonathon) Jack signs himself as "cashier" in the letter.
Some words I can't make out but the gist of the letter is an apology frm Jack for not sending a large amount of cash through the mail.
The cashier Jack seems to say that the amount is in the "wrap" or cover of the letter.
Romney, Virginia (now West Virginia) is about 70 or so miles from Hagerstown.
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Hi Charlie,
Well done! You got a lot further with the letter that I did. It didn't occur to me that they might be sending cash through the mail. Did they do that a lot back then? It does explain why it was a bit heavier than I expected.
Regards ... Tim
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Tim,
Found an article in the U.S. Philatelic Classics Society's publication "The Chronicle" issue #263, August 2019.
There was no Registered Mail until the 1850s I believe and no insurance until sometime in the 1900s, so sending cash was a gamble.
Some letters illustrated in the article are endorsed "money" or had the actual cash amount on the front of the cover. (Probably not a great idea)
All the covers shown were charged multiples of the single sheet postal rate from the mileage charts in effect when they were mailed. So weight must have played a part in the cost and explains why the weight is noted on your cover.
The single sheet rate from 1816-1845 was 12 1/2 cents for 81-150 miles.
Your cover was charged 10 times that rate no doubt due to it's weight.
It also seems that Elie Beatty was involved in this frequently, the article mentions "Beatty is well known to collectors of stampless covers".
Another cover addressed to him is included in the article and is dated 12 April 1834. That contained a $275 cash loan payment described as a large file. It was charged 4 times the single sheet rate.
Nice cover, good find.
Charlie
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Hi Charlie,
Wow ... that's great! I love it when you can tease out the story behind a cover. I always learn something, usually something really interesting as in this case.
So, back in the 1816-1845 period, they didn't have bank checks in the way that we do now, right? But they must have had the ability to send a draft on a bank instructing the bank to pay a certain amount to a particular person. I lot of that sort of thing must have happened by mail because many people lived a long way away from banks.
I had to laugh at myself a little when I read your last post. When I first looked at the cover and saw that it was addressed to "Elie Beatty" I without thinking assumed that Elie was a lady. In other words my mind read "Elie" as "Ellie". I should have realized by the Esquire after the name. Thinking about it I'm sure they would not have addressed a lady as "Esquire". Also, there probably were not too many ladies working in professional type jobs back then e.g. bank cashiers.
Thanks for helping me understand what was going on.
Regards ... Tim
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Here are some stamps that arrived today. I bought them for the cancels.
This is a strip of three of scott us 124.
The first and fifth stamp on the top row are fake cancels, I found this out after I received them from an online dealer. They were cheap enouigh that I would have purchased them anyway for my "fake cancel' collection. The second stamp is a six point star, several towns used this type of cancel. The third and fourth stamps are San Fancisco Cog cancels.
The bottom row is a New York Foreign Mail Cancel. The second is a shield, again several cities used this style of cancel. The third is a Glenn Allen Star pre-cancel. There are two styles of this cancel, this is the smaller and more difficult to find. The last stamp is a letter"H" on an Official War Department stamp.
Here are scans of the back of the fake cancels along with two scans of the real cancels. Usually but not always the cancel ink bleeds through the stamp. first two on the bottom are the fakes. Compare the ink bleed through to the other two examples.
Also, the ink on the first stamp don't look right in person and the real give away is the partial previous cancel on the lower left of the first stamp
I know the dealer would accept them back but I plan on keepin them
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I'm drooling over the Glen Allen star. I want one of each type in a bad sort of way.
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Here's my latest two additions to my New Jersey collection...
1916 250th Anniversary of Newark. I had a copy of this slogan, but this is a very nice strike on a clean cover.
1950 Nice hammer cancels, but the winning point is the Newark Airport seal!
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Here are some covers that arrived this week.
This group of Tiny covers are all under 2 1/2 inches.
I like the postage due stamp and "contains writing" marking.
This is an attached label to a package, there are staple holes on the end.
This is my favorite from this group.
Due 6 in oval with an illeagle use of an R24c istead of a postage stamp.
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From my Collection: Of my last acquisitions, Penny Black, strip of three, AB, AC, AD with unusual mark, re-entries, Ray Flaws, O'Flaws, guide dot, extended line, etc.
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Here are some items that arrived in the past week.
This first postal card had me stumped for just a bit. There is a Springtown, PA Saw tooth CDS dated Nov 5, 1885 with Maltese Cross cancelling the card on the front and the same CDS on the rear with a date of Nov 4, 1885. After looking at the card I realized the CDS on the back was applied before the note was written because the writing goes around it. I checked Postmaster Finder for Springtown and the Postmaster is Henry S. Mill, 2/12/1878-5/6/1884 then 9/7/1885-7/23/1889. Mystery solved, the Postmaster used the CDS to date his postal card.
A link to information on the addressee, Freed Brothers.
https://mennoniteheritagecenter.pastperf ...
This postal card has a drawing of a woman in a boat on a lake. It is addressed but has no postnark. I am attracted to drawings on cards and envelopes.
I added this cover to my Christmas Seal collection.
This last cover is a folded Letter Sheet with a free marking from the Postmaster of Cold Spring, NY to Rev Absalom Peters, Sec Home Missionaries, Nassau Street, New York. No contents.
Here is a link to more information about Absalom Peters.
https://prabook.com/web/absalom.peters/1 ...
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Brian, I don't collect Dutch East Indies but I do like overprints. I had to look up 18 Dec 1948 and Jogjakarta. Interesting bit of history. Where these valid for postage and if so for how long?
Vince
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I believe they were produced for the philatelic market, never serving any postal need. an American stamp dealer called Stolow is responsible.
See: https://stampmagazine.co.uk/how-netherla ...
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As a Neth.-Indies / Indonesia collector.... wow! Very interesting!
Merdeka!
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Finally got the 2c Kansas City block back from APEX with a clean cert.
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The Kelleher Stamp Collectors Quarterly 4th Quarter 2023 issue has an excellent article on roulettes. I confess I knew very little about them, but now educated!
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Today arrived another Penny Black for my Collection, Plate 3. Worn Plate. Used with Local Postmark Stoneavon, Red Maltese Cross with double line in the border line. Not to be confused with Stonehaven cancel. it has double line in all the Maltese Cross.
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Another new arrival. Great Britain, 1840 Penny Blue, Plate 1, very light Black Maltese Cross.
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This is my diabetic cat OBI! I think, therefore I am - I think! Descartes, sort of!
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I've always had an interest in Canadian errors/varieties and just got this from my regular dealer. The $75 is a fair price for such a nice block and I'm very happy with it! You can just barely see the tear under the eye here but it really is there! I don't actually have it yet so I can't show a close up!
I also just finished paying for a very nice mint copy of the $5 Queen Victoria Jubilee stamp. I now have finally managed to replace my last used copy of the series and will soon have the entire series mint - that took a very long time. I'll have my friend download the page and share it with you when the stamp arrives! It was a fairly pricey journey but worth it in the long run, at least to me it was! And really isn't that all that really matters?
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