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Certainly interesting, but what makes it still relevant after 22 years?
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This is a very well known case in Australian philatelic circles, but as stated, is it still relevant? I think so, as they're both still trading.
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I’m not sure what you mean by “relevant?” This is an interesting “story” about the world of philately and isn’t that what we are here to discuss and read about?
This was the first time I’d heard about this court case, so I thought others might never have heard it about and would also find it interesting.
I also feel it is important to know the integrity of those you might do business with.
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"This was the first time I’d heard about this court case, so I thought others might never have heard about and would find it interesting."
Fair enough and also correct: I had never heard of it before. But when I read through the article and saw this had taken place more than 20 years ago, I started to wonder if there might be a new development, something in 2023 that made this newsworthy again.
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Very interesting with indeed! More proof that “The Sheriff” is an arrogant, manipulative guy? Just asking.
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This page came up today while I was doing a search on something completely different. I was trying to find out how to see my active bids on Universal Philatelic’s auction. When I did a site search for “my bids”, I got a message with the Name “Glen Stephens” and a number. So I searched that and this court document came up near the top of the search result. Isn’t that weird?
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Stephens has his own forum and is (IMO) one of the biggest arses I've ever run across. I've been banned from his site about 5 times so far. Ahh....but Phoenix rises.
His site is widely followed by pretty knowledgeable Australian collectors. The way he treats any new "members" makes me wonder how he continues.
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I used to get Christmas cards from him. Let's just say our relationship soured.
Here's my badge of honour
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"Here's my badge of honour."
A badge of honor indeed.
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While trying to become a Stamporama member in 2007 i somehow joinned his s**t show, what a horror that was. It did not take long to figure out i was not wanted.
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Interesting.
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That cartoon was brilliant!
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JanSimon: no disrespect but your comment about T’s post being interesting but how was it relevant after 20+ years reminded me of my daughter coming home from her first day in Grade 9.
“Dad! Why do we have to study history, it happened before I was born”!
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So.... hard to get through all the legaleze - but it sounds like Stephens took the name of another stamp dealer (who did not have their own website yet) and set up a website in that other dealer's name which directed the customer to Stephens' website.
And it sounds like anyone could do that today.... I don't have a website currently (I once did have one registered under jerryderrstamps.com but realized I was on eBay and the only thing I would ever use such a website for was to direct someone to my eBay store and that didn't seem worth the headache to do that) but it seems anyone could do that to me today if they wished. So this is still very relevant in my opinion. Maybe I need to buy all those websites with my name in them up?
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What happened was that Juzwin allowed to expire/forgot to renew his domain name. It expired and the jerk (Stephens) snapped it up and setup the Juzwin original domain name to be redirected to his own website. Slimy, but this happens all the time.
Anyone can inquire about a domain name and if it is in use, they can be put on a list which notifies them when the name expires or otherwise becomes available. For example, someone could do this with the domain name stamporama.com (which will expire on 2024-12-05). If Stamporama staff does not notice when it expires, someone can jump in and grab an hour or so after it expires. It is not illegal but it is also not fair.
In most cases, ICANN will side with the original owner. But note that you often have to hire a lawyer and get them to do discovery and submit a case with ICANN. In the months that it takes to do this, the legitimate owner does not have access to his domain name.
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I can't show my badge of honor as the Sheriff must have prevented access from my computer to his site.
G.S. is a very deep bucket of tar that we may not want to dig into.
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I have a strong opinion about this topic. But I'll leave it at this; after experiencing that forum about 10 years ago I put my Australian collection in a box and stuffed into a back room closet. I haven't touched it since.
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I have nothing to hide here, so.....
- I was a moderator on that site, and often complained about his treatment of people
- Yes, I was on the Christmas card list
- I did some non-philatelic work for him that saved him a lot of money and prevented him from being sued
- I subsequently billed him, and he refused to pay, assuming I'd provided a free service. He never paid me
- He slandered me, and brought my professionalism into question, because I wanted to be paid
- I listed an item for sale on another forum, when unsold I listed it on his. He then, publicly, accused me of selling "sloppy seconds" rubbish at a higher price than on the other forum
- I then suggested he go forth and procreate
- I got my badge of honour
- He has a core of acolytes that provide all the knowledge on the site, and he then claims copyright of all images and content. Amazingly, the contributors seem stupid enough to fall for this
- He has never collected, and thinks that dealers that collect aren't worth their salt as dealers
- He's been expelled from the Australian Philatelic Traders Association for abusing a member.
I could go on, but I haven't crossed his path in well over a decade now and, as with all things, it will end one day.
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DAVE....Yeah, that's the guy.
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"Anyone can inquire about a domain name and if it is in use, they can be put on a list which notifies them when the name expires or otherwise becomes available. For example, someone could do this with the domain name stamporama.com (which will expire on 2024-12-05). If Stamporama staff does not notice when it expires, someone can jump in and grab an hour or so after it expires. It is not illegal but it is also not fair.
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I got a panic phone call from a prominent model car dealer to delete his website from our website. Why? He didn't notice it lapsed and now he was hosting Korean Porn! Another tactic is to create a website at the domain in the same related field and fill the page with links they get paid to display.
And a drum roll... they hold the domain hostage. And as the new owner they offer to sell it back to you for thousands of dollars!
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"And a drum roll... they hold the domain hostage. And as the new owner they offer to sell it back to you for thousands of dollars!"
Which is, I believe, exactly what our friend in Sydney did.
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An informative read about the business practices of a stamp dealer.
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Certainly interesting, but what makes it still relevant after 22 years?
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This is a very well known case in Australian philatelic circles, but as stated, is it still relevant? I think so, as they're both still trading.
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I’m not sure what you mean by “relevant?” This is an interesting “story” about the world of philately and isn’t that what we are here to discuss and read about?
This was the first time I’d heard about this court case, so I thought others might never have heard it about and would also find it interesting.
I also feel it is important to know the integrity of those you might do business with.
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"This was the first time I’d heard about this court case, so I thought others might never have heard about and would find it interesting."
Fair enough and also correct: I had never heard of it before. But when I read through the article and saw this had taken place more than 20 years ago, I started to wonder if there might be a new development, something in 2023 that made this newsworthy again.
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Very interesting with indeed! More proof that “The Sheriff” is an arrogant, manipulative guy? Just asking.
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This page came up today while I was doing a search on something completely different. I was trying to find out how to see my active bids on Universal Philatelic’s auction. When I did a site search for “my bids”, I got a message with the Name “Glen Stephens” and a number. So I searched that and this court document came up near the top of the search result. Isn’t that weird?
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Stephens has his own forum and is (IMO) one of the biggest arses I've ever run across. I've been banned from his site about 5 times so far. Ahh....but Phoenix rises.
His site is widely followed by pretty knowledgeable Australian collectors. The way he treats any new "members" makes me wonder how he continues.
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I used to get Christmas cards from him. Let's just say our relationship soured.
Here's my badge of honour
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"Here's my badge of honour."
A badge of honor indeed.
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While trying to become a Stamporama member in 2007 i somehow joinned his s**t show, what a horror that was. It did not take long to figure out i was not wanted.
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Interesting.
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That cartoon was brilliant!
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JanSimon: no disrespect but your comment about T’s post being interesting but how was it relevant after 20+ years reminded me of my daughter coming home from her first day in Grade 9.
“Dad! Why do we have to study history, it happened before I was born”!
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So.... hard to get through all the legaleze - but it sounds like Stephens took the name of another stamp dealer (who did not have their own website yet) and set up a website in that other dealer's name which directed the customer to Stephens' website.
And it sounds like anyone could do that today.... I don't have a website currently (I once did have one registered under jerryderrstamps.com but realized I was on eBay and the only thing I would ever use such a website for was to direct someone to my eBay store and that didn't seem worth the headache to do that) but it seems anyone could do that to me today if they wished. So this is still very relevant in my opinion. Maybe I need to buy all those websites with my name in them up?
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What happened was that Juzwin allowed to expire/forgot to renew his domain name. It expired and the jerk (Stephens) snapped it up and setup the Juzwin original domain name to be redirected to his own website. Slimy, but this happens all the time.
Anyone can inquire about a domain name and if it is in use, they can be put on a list which notifies them when the name expires or otherwise becomes available. For example, someone could do this with the domain name stamporama.com (which will expire on 2024-12-05). If Stamporama staff does not notice when it expires, someone can jump in and grab an hour or so after it expires. It is not illegal but it is also not fair.
In most cases, ICANN will side with the original owner. But note that you often have to hire a lawyer and get them to do discovery and submit a case with ICANN. In the months that it takes to do this, the legitimate owner does not have access to his domain name.
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I can't show my badge of honor as the Sheriff must have prevented access from my computer to his site.
G.S. is a very deep bucket of tar that we may not want to dig into.
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I have a strong opinion about this topic. But I'll leave it at this; after experiencing that forum about 10 years ago I put my Australian collection in a box and stuffed into a back room closet. I haven't touched it since.
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I have nothing to hide here, so.....
- I was a moderator on that site, and often complained about his treatment of people
- Yes, I was on the Christmas card list
- I did some non-philatelic work for him that saved him a lot of money and prevented him from being sued
- I subsequently billed him, and he refused to pay, assuming I'd provided a free service. He never paid me
- He slandered me, and brought my professionalism into question, because I wanted to be paid
- I listed an item for sale on another forum, when unsold I listed it on his. He then, publicly, accused me of selling "sloppy seconds" rubbish at a higher price than on the other forum
- I then suggested he go forth and procreate
- I got my badge of honour
- He has a core of acolytes that provide all the knowledge on the site, and he then claims copyright of all images and content. Amazingly, the contributors seem stupid enough to fall for this
- He has never collected, and thinks that dealers that collect aren't worth their salt as dealers
- He's been expelled from the Australian Philatelic Traders Association for abusing a member.
I could go on, but I haven't crossed his path in well over a decade now and, as with all things, it will end one day.
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DAVE....Yeah, that's the guy.
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"Anyone can inquire about a domain name and if it is in use, they can be put on a list which notifies them when the name expires or otherwise becomes available. For example, someone could do this with the domain name stamporama.com (which will expire on 2024-12-05). If Stamporama staff does not notice when it expires, someone can jump in and grab an hour or so after it expires. It is not illegal but it is also not fair.
"
I got a panic phone call from a prominent model car dealer to delete his website from our website. Why? He didn't notice it lapsed and now he was hosting Korean Porn! Another tactic is to create a website at the domain in the same related field and fill the page with links they get paid to display.
And a drum roll... they hold the domain hostage. And as the new owner they offer to sell it back to you for thousands of dollars!
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"And a drum roll... they hold the domain hostage. And as the new owner they offer to sell it back to you for thousands of dollars!"
Which is, I believe, exactly what our friend in Sydney did.
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