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General Philatelic/Gen. Discussion : how many to the ounce?

 

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capetown

24 Apr 2023
07:11:26pm
Has anyone actually counted definitives to see how many make an ounce.
Here are some typical GB definitives...any guess to how many it would
take to make a full ounce. I presume this size stamp for other countries
could be close to the same number.
capetown




Image Not Foundcould be close to the same number.


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24 Apr 2023
07:39:04pm
re: how many to the ounce?

777

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24 Apr 2023
09:11:27pm
re: how many to the ounce?

You can find a small dietary food scale, or postal scale at Goodwill for a couple of bucks, and weigh the stamps. There are different factors that can affect the weight of stamps.

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michael78651

24 Apr 2023
09:53:55pm
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1898 may be correct with the 777. I found a 1.3 ounce US definitive stamp lot on eBay. Seller claims around 850+ stamps at that weight.

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24 Apr 2023
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Don't forget to subtract for the hinge remnants and add for the stamps with thins or missing perfs!!! Clown

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24 Apr 2023
10:04:48pm
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25 Apr 2023
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I think 777 is correct for KGVI and KEVIII, but prexies with Taft is about 325

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25 Apr 2023
11:12:50am
re: how many to the ounce?

"I think 777 is correct for KGVI and KEVIII, but prexies with Taft is about 325"



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capetown

25 Apr 2023
12:56:10pm
re: how many to the ounce?

thank you one and all for your responses...much obliged.
capertown

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25 Apr 2023
08:55:12pm
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It is thought he weighed more than 330 pounds when he was president. He was 6 feet tall. He weighed 243 pounds when he graduated college.

He was our heftiest president, and the only president to leave office and go to the US Supreme Court as Chief Justice. There are several other interesting tidbits in his career:

- He is the only former US Solicitor General to become president.

- His father was Secretary of War in 1876, and he also became Secretary of War under Theodore Roosevelt (Taft was the second former Secretary of war to become President).

- Because of his physical size, he had a special bath tub installed in the White House.

- He and Teddy Roosevelt were good friends. Teddy said when he first ran for president that he would only stay in office for two terms. He wanted to stay longer, but stayed true to his word. In his stead, he got Taft to run and he won in 1908, thinking that Taft would continue his policies and work. In the campaign, Taft showed he was not a Roosevelt clone. This did not sit well with Teddy, and Teddy chose to run again for president as a third party candidate (Bull Moose Party) in 1912 to try to oust Taft. Their friendship was ended. The result was that Woodrow Wilson won the 1912 election. Taft only won two states: Vermont and Utah for 8 electoral votes. Roosevelt got 88 electoral votes from 6 states, but Wilson garnered 435.

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29 May 2023
03:38:12pm
re: how many to the ounce?

Getting back to the point, in December 2017 some diligent collector answered the 1,000 Machin stamp weight question by researching some post from five or eight year earlier and reposting it.
(Drum Roll, please !!!)

re: Approximating stamp counts by weight - any decent heuristics for another wacky idea ???
".... Is there a decent rule of thumb for a weight-to-number conversion for "small" definitives and/or "normal" commemoratives (or somewhat sub-optimally a mix of same)? ...."

Ahoy there, I have something that is a little more accurate than a CWAG "Rule of thumb." (Calculated Wild-assed Guess.)
1,000 small Machins weighs 1.55 ounces, 645 to the ounce, `10,320 to the pound.
1,000 1938-39 Prexies should weigh about 1.78 ounces, 561 to the ounce, about 8,970 to the pound. Modern US definitives are about the same, regular commemoratives, half as many.

A few years ago after winning a 20kg box of Machins (over 40 pounds) mixed, on and off paper, I had a significant number in a large pile that had been soaked, dried and flattened. Having nothing better to do with my life that week, I counted out many glassines of 100, and five small Ziplock bags of 1,000 each. I had access to an accurate scale and after weighing them in different combinations, allowing for the weight of the bags and calculating an average I found that 1000 Machins weighed 1.55 ounces.
Also 645 Machins would tip the scale at 1 ounce.

------( And yes, I allowed for the fact
------ that the scale tripped from .9 ounces
------ at .05 ounces lower than a full ounce,
------ and also at 1.05 would advanve to 1.1 ounce.)

Then I measured the height and width of one of the Machins and found a height of 2.4cm and a width of 2.0cm using my good eye only. That is 4.8 sq.cm which becomes important later when I also measured the size of one of the many US 1938-39 Prexies and found it was 2.3x2.4 or 5.52 sq.cm
That means that the Prexies were 15% bigger in surface area than the Machins or the Machins were 13% smaller than the Prexies.
So somewhat logically 1000 Prexies should weigh 15% more than 1000 Machins or 1.75 ounces.
That ignores the potential difference in paper thickness, humidity, or of different paper weights, but it should be close as it was during a month long dry spell in Florida.
Playing around with the calculator I multiplied the 645 of the Machins count by 87% and thus concluded that about 560 Prexies ought to also weigh an ounce or around 8,960 +/- Prexies per pound. Furthermore, the standard US definitive of recent years are almost the same size and the common commemorative is twice that size. Hopefully that means that a pound of commemoratives would have about 4,500 stamps.

I have always wanted to do some close weighing of a thousand close-cut single layer Machins and a second thousand mixed close and as they were torn from an envelope. Perhaps that will occur in the future. However, there is a base to make estimates from.

It was late and I had been getting groggy so I rechecked the figures, corrected spelling and added commas and such when I felt more alert.
Thanks Tony for reminding me.

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29 May 2023
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Taft only lived 4 years ?Winking

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30 May 2023
05:10:40pm
re: how many to the ounce?

W. H. Taft 9/15/57 --- 3/8/30

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30 May 2023
07:28:15pm

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Charlie, i was only kidding..one Long Island boy to another.

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31 May 2023
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As i step on the scale at IX cel its 152 pounds...so Taft would be two of me...thats a lot of weight to carry around !

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01 Jun 2023
02:10:31am
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So was/am I.

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capetown

24 Apr 2023
07:11:26pm

Has anyone actually counted definitives to see how many make an ounce.
Here are some typical GB definitives...any guess to how many it would
take to make a full ounce. I presume this size stamp for other countries
could be close to the same number.
capetown




Image Not Foundcould be close to the same number.


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24 Apr 2023
07:39:04pm

re: how many to the ounce?

777

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michael78651

24 Apr 2023
09:11:27pm

re: how many to the ounce?

You can find a small dietary food scale, or postal scale at Goodwill for a couple of bucks, and weigh the stamps. There are different factors that can affect the weight of stamps.

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michael78651

24 Apr 2023
09:53:55pm

re: how many to the ounce?

1898 may be correct with the 777. I found a 1.3 ounce US definitive stamp lot on eBay. Seller claims around 850+ stamps at that weight.

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24 Apr 2023
10:02:08pm

re: how many to the ounce?

Don't forget to subtract for the hinge remnants and add for the stamps with thins or missing perfs!!! Clown

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24 Apr 2023
10:04:48pm

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Harvey: Rolling On The Floor Laughing

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25 Apr 2023
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I think 777 is correct for KGVI and KEVIII, but prexies with Taft is about 325

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25 Apr 2023
11:12:50am

re: how many to the ounce?

"I think 777 is correct for KGVI and KEVIII, but prexies with Taft is about 325"



For the benefit of our international members, and any American members who might be "history deficient", a pictorial explanation of David's (as usual, obscure) humor:

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President William Howard Taft (1909-1913)

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capetown

25 Apr 2023
12:56:10pm

re: how many to the ounce?

thank you one and all for your responses...much obliged.
capertown

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michael78651

25 Apr 2023
08:55:12pm

re: how many to the ounce?

It is thought he weighed more than 330 pounds when he was president. He was 6 feet tall. He weighed 243 pounds when he graduated college.

He was our heftiest president, and the only president to leave office and go to the US Supreme Court as Chief Justice. There are several other interesting tidbits in his career:

- He is the only former US Solicitor General to become president.

- His father was Secretary of War in 1876, and he also became Secretary of War under Theodore Roosevelt (Taft was the second former Secretary of war to become President).

- Because of his physical size, he had a special bath tub installed in the White House.

- He and Teddy Roosevelt were good friends. Teddy said when he first ran for president that he would only stay in office for two terms. He wanted to stay longer, but stayed true to his word. In his stead, he got Taft to run and he won in 1908, thinking that Taft would continue his policies and work. In the campaign, Taft showed he was not a Roosevelt clone. This did not sit well with Teddy, and Teddy chose to run again for president as a third party candidate (Bull Moose Party) in 1912 to try to oust Taft. Their friendship was ended. The result was that Woodrow Wilson won the 1912 election. Taft only won two states: Vermont and Utah for 8 electoral votes. Roosevelt got 88 electoral votes from 6 states, but Wilson garnered 435.

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29 May 2023
03:38:12pm

re: how many to the ounce?

Getting back to the point, in December 2017 some diligent collector answered the 1,000 Machin stamp weight question by researching some post from five or eight year earlier and reposting it.
(Drum Roll, please !!!)

re: Approximating stamp counts by weight - any decent heuristics for another wacky idea ???
".... Is there a decent rule of thumb for a weight-to-number conversion for "small" definitives and/or "normal" commemoratives (or somewhat sub-optimally a mix of same)? ...."

Ahoy there, I have something that is a little more accurate than a CWAG "Rule of thumb." (Calculated Wild-assed Guess.)
1,000 small Machins weighs 1.55 ounces, 645 to the ounce, `10,320 to the pound.
1,000 1938-39 Prexies should weigh about 1.78 ounces, 561 to the ounce, about 8,970 to the pound. Modern US definitives are about the same, regular commemoratives, half as many.

A few years ago after winning a 20kg box of Machins (over 40 pounds) mixed, on and off paper, I had a significant number in a large pile that had been soaked, dried and flattened. Having nothing better to do with my life that week, I counted out many glassines of 100, and five small Ziplock bags of 1,000 each. I had access to an accurate scale and after weighing them in different combinations, allowing for the weight of the bags and calculating an average I found that 1000 Machins weighed 1.55 ounces.
Also 645 Machins would tip the scale at 1 ounce.

------( And yes, I allowed for the fact
------ that the scale tripped from .9 ounces
------ at .05 ounces lower than a full ounce,
------ and also at 1.05 would advanve to 1.1 ounce.)

Then I measured the height and width of one of the Machins and found a height of 2.4cm and a width of 2.0cm using my good eye only. That is 4.8 sq.cm which becomes important later when I also measured the size of one of the many US 1938-39 Prexies and found it was 2.3x2.4 or 5.52 sq.cm
That means that the Prexies were 15% bigger in surface area than the Machins or the Machins were 13% smaller than the Prexies.
So somewhat logically 1000 Prexies should weigh 15% more than 1000 Machins or 1.75 ounces.
That ignores the potential difference in paper thickness, humidity, or of different paper weights, but it should be close as it was during a month long dry spell in Florida.
Playing around with the calculator I multiplied the 645 of the Machins count by 87% and thus concluded that about 560 Prexies ought to also weigh an ounce or around 8,960 +/- Prexies per pound. Furthermore, the standard US definitive of recent years are almost the same size and the common commemorative is twice that size. Hopefully that means that a pound of commemoratives would have about 4,500 stamps.

I have always wanted to do some close weighing of a thousand close-cut single layer Machins and a second thousand mixed close and as they were torn from an envelope. Perhaps that will occur in the future. However, there is a base to make estimates from.

It was late and I had been getting groggy so I rechecked the figures, corrected spelling and added commas and such when I felt more alert.
Thanks Tony for reminding me.

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29 May 2023
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Taft only lived 4 years ?Winking

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re: how many to the ounce?

W. H. Taft 9/15/57 --- 3/8/30

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30 May 2023
07:28:15pm

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Charlie, i was only kidding..one Long Island boy to another.

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31 May 2023
09:13:14am

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As i step on the scale at IX cel its 152 pounds...so Taft would be two of me...thats a lot of weight to carry around !

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02:10:31am

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So was/am I.

cum grano salis.

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