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What sat you?
Just received today. The more I look at it I'm thinking it might be used, and re- gummed.
What say y'all?
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I can't tell if used or mint.
My suggestion, try using the water mark process.
Also enlarge your image and look for gum on the tips or between the perfs!
Looking for regummed is something I almost never do, as I only collect used stamps. There is more experenced stamp collectors here on sor that can help with regumming and how to check for it.
Hope this helps!
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OK....I give. Tell me tell me watermark process, and what you use it for besides (duh) Watermarks?
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It is difficult to say for certain just by judging from a picture. I know a picture says 1000 words but this would be an exception to that rule in my book. From the photo I don't see any discoloration at the edges near the perforations that usually occurs with re-gumming so I was taught to look for that. But there is a clear difference in the color of the gum about half way through the stamp or that could be an optical illusion created by the scanner. It's a crap shoot I don't know. On the bright side it could be used as postage. Just kidding!!! Just count it as a used stamp and call it a day or send it back to the seller if the seller accepts returns.
Jeremy
As an aside: I'd be more concerned about it being re-perforated at the bottom. But that is just my honest opinion.
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05:57:22pm
Those bottom perfs do look a bit strange!
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Yup it's not just me then. Take straight edge to see it the holes are close to being in a straight line. From looking at the picture of the front of the stamp I'd say that the 6th hole from the left is too perfectly round. But once again that is just my honest opinion.
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06:22:06pm
"..used and regummed?"
Correct on both counts.
Roy
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bigcreekdad
I'm tired of all the SMART remarks every time I try to help you!
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@1899
Instead of making a snide comment, why not just answer the question. What is the watermark process and how is it used to determine whether a stamp has been regummed? I am also curious.
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I hope the poster refrains from everytime I offer my help the poster stops the unkind remarks!
@hfbaker
Using the water mark process, then enlarge your image and look for gum on the tips or between the perfs!
Using the water mark process, to tell if there is a cancel, sometimes (not always) will show the cancel, or part of it!
The water mark process and watermarking is the same with a couple changes, use a flat black tile and an eye dropper. Drop whatever fluid you use one drop at a time.
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I do not think my posts were unkind. You just seem to mention this watermark "process" all the time. Does anyone else have any experience with this?
Update....thanks for those chiming in. You have "confirmed"(ie educated opinions) my suspicions. I have notified seller that I would like to return.
Final update...seller disagrees but agreed to the return.
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i have no idea what the "watermark process" is; was hoping 1898/99 would have explained what it is. You asked nicely. Straightforward question. If I knew, I would have used that question as an invitation to show off what I know. pity I can't. Wish 1899 would.
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Here it is again!
Using the water mark process, then enlarge your image and look for gum on the tips or between the perfs!
Using the water mark process, to tell if there is a cancel, sometimes (not always) will show the cancel, or part of it!
The water mark process and watermarking is the same with a couple changes, use a flat black tile and an eye dropper. Drop whatever fluid you use one drop at a time.
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If I understand what 1899 is saying, you have the stamp face up and drop watermark fluid on it and photograph it while still wet, or lay it on a scanner bed in a drop of fluid and scan to get the image which you can then enlarge to view.
I presume the new gum will show as shown in the above post by Roy. Probably easier to just scan and enlarge or use an usb microscope.
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I should have said place the stamp face side down (the printed side down) sorry.
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Maybe I'm missing something here? Though I don't think so.
I have seen some of the posts where 1899 has explained how his watermark method is used in some detail. Which is fine for most people who are somewhat familiar with the watermark detection process. I understand what he is saying.
The one thing I cannot figure out for the life of me is why the topic is turning into a flame war of words and wit gentlemen. The vast majority of our members on this forum are in-fact adults. The point is there are children who use this site too. Let's act like the adults we are and clean up the posts and act our age not our shoe size.
Here is a little factoid for you guys. I had a member who is in-fact a minor send me a PM to thank me for my service. Now I don't know wether or not that means anything to you guys but it meant the world to me. A perfect stranger with whom I've never met in person extended me a kindness that I will forever be grateful for. It made my day when at that time I was having a lousy one.
Here is a question for 1899. Would you be so kind to create a how to instructional article of the process that works for you? I am intrigued by it.
Do you use lighter fluid or actual non flammable watermark detecting fluid with your method?
I'm inclined to believe that it would be foolish to place a flammable liquid on any electronic device such as a scanner and a digital microscope or even use it near one. But that is just me.
Jeremy
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Likely too late to be significant, but if I were judging the question of unused or used I would conclude used based on the appearance of black lines starting on the fifth and seventh and eighth perforation ends and going diagonally downward through the white oval around the queen's portrait. This looks like evidence of perforation to me.
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Jeremy
Lots good thoughts in your posting.
One part "Here is a question for 1899. Would you be so kind to create a how to instructional article of the process that works for you? I am intrigued by it.", are you referring just the watermarking?
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Both water marking and detecting evidence of re-gumming using watermark fluid with your method.
Jeremy
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Here it is again!
Using the water mark process, then enlarge your image and look for gum on the tips or between the perfs!
Using the water mark process, to tell if there is a cancel, sometimes (not always) will show the cancel, or part of it!
The water mark process and watermarking is the same with a couple changes, use a flat black tile and an eye dropper. Drop whatever fluid you use one drop at a time.
Is this what you are asking for?
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That is it my friend. Very simple and straight forward. I cant ask for anything more. Thank you.
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What sat you?
Just received today. The more I look at it I'm thinking it might be used, and re- gummed.
What say y'all?
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re: Another one....used and regummed?
I can't tell if used or mint.
My suggestion, try using the water mark process.
Also enlarge your image and look for gum on the tips or between the perfs!
Looking for regummed is something I almost never do, as I only collect used stamps. There is more experenced stamp collectors here on sor that can help with regumming and how to check for it.
Hope this helps!
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re: Another one....used and regummed?
OK....I give. Tell me tell me watermark process, and what you use it for besides (duh) Watermarks?
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05:45:18pm
re: Another one....used and regummed?
It is difficult to say for certain just by judging from a picture. I know a picture says 1000 words but this would be an exception to that rule in my book. From the photo I don't see any discoloration at the edges near the perforations that usually occurs with re-gumming so I was taught to look for that. But there is a clear difference in the color of the gum about half way through the stamp or that could be an optical illusion created by the scanner. It's a crap shoot I don't know. On the bright side it could be used as postage. Just kidding!!! Just count it as a used stamp and call it a day or send it back to the seller if the seller accepts returns.
Jeremy
As an aside: I'd be more concerned about it being re-perforated at the bottom. But that is just my honest opinion.
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re: Another one....used and regummed?
Those bottom perfs do look a bit strange!
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06:07:14pm
re: Another one....used and regummed?
Yup it's not just me then. Take straight edge to see it the holes are close to being in a straight line. From looking at the picture of the front of the stamp I'd say that the 6th hole from the left is too perfectly round. But once again that is just my honest opinion.
Jeremy
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06:22:06pm
re: Another one....used and regummed?
"..used and regummed?"
Correct on both counts.
Roy
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bigcreekdad
I'm tired of all the SMART remarks every time I try to help you!
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@1899
Instead of making a snide comment, why not just answer the question. What is the watermark process and how is it used to determine whether a stamp has been regummed? I am also curious.
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re: Another one....used and regummed?
I hope the poster refrains from everytime I offer my help the poster stops the unkind remarks!
@hfbaker
Using the water mark process, then enlarge your image and look for gum on the tips or between the perfs!
Using the water mark process, to tell if there is a cancel, sometimes (not always) will show the cancel, or part of it!
The water mark process and watermarking is the same with a couple changes, use a flat black tile and an eye dropper. Drop whatever fluid you use one drop at a time.
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re: Another one....used and regummed?
I do not think my posts were unkind. You just seem to mention this watermark "process" all the time. Does anyone else have any experience with this?
Update....thanks for those chiming in. You have "confirmed"(ie educated opinions) my suspicions. I have notified seller that I would like to return.
Final update...seller disagrees but agreed to the return.
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re: Another one....used and regummed?
i have no idea what the "watermark process" is; was hoping 1898/99 would have explained what it is. You asked nicely. Straightforward question. If I knew, I would have used that question as an invitation to show off what I know. pity I can't. Wish 1899 would.
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re: Another one....used and regummed?
Here it is again!
Using the water mark process, then enlarge your image and look for gum on the tips or between the perfs!
Using the water mark process, to tell if there is a cancel, sometimes (not always) will show the cancel, or part of it!
The water mark process and watermarking is the same with a couple changes, use a flat black tile and an eye dropper. Drop whatever fluid you use one drop at a time.
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re: Another one....used and regummed?
If I understand what 1899 is saying, you have the stamp face up and drop watermark fluid on it and photograph it while still wet, or lay it on a scanner bed in a drop of fluid and scan to get the image which you can then enlarge to view.
I presume the new gum will show as shown in the above post by Roy. Probably easier to just scan and enlarge or use an usb microscope.
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I should have said place the stamp face side down (the printed side down) sorry.
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re: Another one....used and regummed?
Maybe I'm missing something here? Though I don't think so.
I have seen some of the posts where 1899 has explained how his watermark method is used in some detail. Which is fine for most people who are somewhat familiar with the watermark detection process. I understand what he is saying.
The one thing I cannot figure out for the life of me is why the topic is turning into a flame war of words and wit gentlemen. The vast majority of our members on this forum are in-fact adults. The point is there are children who use this site too. Let's act like the adults we are and clean up the posts and act our age not our shoe size.
Here is a little factoid for you guys. I had a member who is in-fact a minor send me a PM to thank me for my service. Now I don't know wether or not that means anything to you guys but it meant the world to me. A perfect stranger with whom I've never met in person extended me a kindness that I will forever be grateful for. It made my day when at that time I was having a lousy one.
Here is a question for 1899. Would you be so kind to create a how to instructional article of the process that works for you? I am intrigued by it.
Do you use lighter fluid or actual non flammable watermark detecting fluid with your method?
I'm inclined to believe that it would be foolish to place a flammable liquid on any electronic device such as a scanner and a digital microscope or even use it near one. But that is just me.
Jeremy
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re: Another one....used and regummed?
Likely too late to be significant, but if I were judging the question of unused or used I would conclude used based on the appearance of black lines starting on the fifth and seventh and eighth perforation ends and going diagonally downward through the white oval around the queen's portrait. This looks like evidence of perforation to me.
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Jeremy
Lots good thoughts in your posting.
One part "Here is a question for 1899. Would you be so kind to create a how to instructional article of the process that works for you? I am intrigued by it.", are you referring just the watermarking?
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03:31:02pm
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Both water marking and detecting evidence of re-gumming using watermark fluid with your method.
Jeremy
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re: Another one....used and regummed?
Here it is again!
Using the water mark process, then enlarge your image and look for gum on the tips or between the perfs!
Using the water mark process, to tell if there is a cancel, sometimes (not always) will show the cancel, or part of it!
The water mark process and watermarking is the same with a couple changes, use a flat black tile and an eye dropper. Drop whatever fluid you use one drop at a time.
Is this what you are asking for?
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That is it my friend. Very simple and straight forward. I cant ask for anything more. Thank you.
Jeremy
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