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General Philatelic/Gen. Discussion : APS organizational restructuring initiative failed -- what now?

 

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24 Jun 2013
07:15:27am
The proposed changes to the bylaws of the APS failed. I am not sure about the implications. Any insights / opinions? I am also not sure if all of our members followed the whole story. So perhaps we can bring everybody up to speed here.

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24 Jun 2013
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Roger also mentioned the ED fiasco at APS; is that Peter Mastroangelo? or something else?

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24 Jun 2013
01:50:13pm
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I'm reading on the Virtual Stamp Club (or whatever it is called now) that the current Board at the APS may push the CEO position through, even without the memberships blessing. Not sure how that works, but there is a lot of buzz about it.

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24 Jun 2013
02:11:56pm

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looking at VSC, if I understand this correctly, APS wants to add a CEO, who is really a development officer, to lead Fundraising efforts, right? Will this person report to Ken Martin, or vice versa? I thought that FR was what Mastroangelo was supposed to do; he'd been the first non-philatelist in that job forever, right?

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24 Jun 2013
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CEO would be top dog. Ken would report to that person.

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24 Jun 2013
06:36:55pm
re: APS organizational restructuring initiative failed -- what now?

It is my understanding that the APS has hired two or three persons in the past to raise revenue, all of whom worked hard but failed to even cover their salaries. I think the strong opposition was, at least in part, a reaction to what the membership views as "been there, done that" so why waste more money making the same mistake.

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24 Jun 2013
11:12:52pm
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Ditto to Bobby's remark. I believe they have had three persons in that slot without any positive results and no one mentioned if those other three are still in that position, still drawing down a nice fat paycheck. Do they really need four high paid people doing the same job and failing?

It does seem that they are going to do whatever they want to regardless of turnout of the vote. And they are worried about retention of the membership? If they do what they are suggesting, color me Angry.... and I may just give them the Wave.

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25 Jun 2013
12:36:04pm
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Mike:

None of those 3 are currently employed by APS. It seems that the current Board (and probably future, since there was little turnover) appears intent on moving forward. Why the FR has to be CEO as well is a complete mystery to me. I have been appalled at the lack of openness on the part of the Board in this whole matter. As my father would have said "There's a skunk in the woodshed."

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25 Jun 2013
10:09:02pm
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I was under the impression that the big need was because the current person covered with an avalanche of work that he needed an assistant, that would also be the new FR or recruiter for more new members. It seems to me that most of the APS members are rather well to do and are dying off rather quickly and most of the up and comers haven't reached their earning peak yet, which is causing such a hardship on the budget. But that's just my humble opinion, not a consensus.

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michael78651

26 Jun 2013
12:04:49am
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The new "fund raiser" position was actually supposed to be the CEO. The executive director would be demoted and answer to the CEO.

From what I am hearing is that the Executive Board is of the opinion that the membership has no say in personnel and employment matters. Thus, they could go ahead and hire the CEO with or without membership approval. I think that would be a bad thing.

The Match Factory issue caused a large number of members to leave the APS. The large dues increase caused many members to leave the APS. If the board goes forward with this, no doubt more people will leave the APS. You'd think that APS is BS.

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tedlawrence

26 Jun 2013
09:26:36am
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I will seriously consider, not renewing my membership, if they go ahead with their plans. I have been a member since 1981. They cannot afford to lose anymore members.

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26 Jun 2013
10:48:24am
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It would be a serious slap in the face if they went ahead and hired a CEO. To be fair, there was no vote for or against a CEO, just a vote for changes to the bylaws to ease the transition (essentially ensure the CEO got the necessary powers). I voted against the change to the bylaws which was really the only related item up for vote, but I considered that a vote against the CEO idea.

But mainly what I voted against was how quickly they tried to push this through with minimal discussion. When has a lengthy and thoughtful discussion ever been a bad idea except when there is an impending crisis? Since there is no crisis, why the need for rapid action (especially with ideas that have continually failed).

I would be seriously upset with a go ahead without a further discussion with membership.

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26 Jun 2013
12:10:59pm
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"When has a lengthy and thoughtful discussion ever been a bad idea except when there is an impending crisis? Since there is no crisis"

Like some of you, I feel there will be a rather large crisis, if they do go ahead and hire a new "CEO" or whatever they want to call him/her. The APS is not strong enough to treat their members the way they are attempting now. From the trends that have been going on for quite a few years, they should realize they are walking on eggshells, not a mountain peak.

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27 Jun 2013
08:08:35pm
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It seems to me that most of the APS members are rather well to do

As a retired, on a fixed income, APS member, I doubt that "mpst of the APS members are rather well to do"--I would expect quite the opposite. If one follows the discussion on the Delphi stamp forum, one would draw the conclusion that the rather well to do are a significant minority, thus a fundraiser would have to get blood from a stone, as the old saying goes.

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michael78651

28 Jun 2013
02:07:50am
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I have to agree. I think most APS members are ordinary collectors from the middle class.

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28 Jun 2013
08:07:32am

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I know very few well-heeled collectors; my friends are all either working stiffs or just middle class. Some of us pay close attention to our expenditures. That doesn't exclude one from creating wonderful collections, though.

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michael78651

28 Jun 2013
01:46:41pm
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That's right, Dave. We pay close attention to our expenditures...Yes, I did buy that stamp...oops! It cost more than I thought! I've been down that river more than once! Big Grin

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09 Jul 2013
09:27:41am

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I have been out to State College twice and Bellefonte once...the workers at the APS and Ken Martin are the salt of the earth..would do anything for a stamp collector..really make you feel at home..when i went to State College Ken was still running drawers of Sales books out to the members..i told him he could "slow down", the kid has come a long way...as for the "big shots" i probably would not associate with them and vice versa...Bellefonte was a shock..i pulled into a kind of parking lot and a kid was mixing cement..i asked where the APS was and he did not know..there was no roof on most of the factory yet...what a $$$$ shocker !!!

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22 Jan 2014
01:51:12am
re: APS organizational restructuring initiative failed -- what now?

After the Bylaw changes failed, the APS is seeking now to address its leadership void within the confines of its existing structure. Ken Martin is moved to the newly created position of Chief Operating Officer, freeing up the Executive Director position for which a new individual will be sought. This announcement was posted I believe today (?) on the APS website.

One paragraph that struck a chord:

"Unfortunately, during the (past) five year period, there has been a continued annual net loss of around 1,000 members. During this time, the Society moved too slowly in developing membership services innovations and in responses to numerous other challenges that it has faced. Clearly, continuing down this path is unsustainable and inaction would be irresponsible for an elected Board charged with guiding the organization into the future."

Wile the speed and lack of explanation of the proposed bylaw changes certainly contributed to the rejection by the membership, it is also true that the APS faces significant challenges. Currently the APS appears not to possess a high-level staff member that is capable of the necessary strategic planning. I commend the volunteer APS board for not giving up on modernizing the organizational structure of the APS to enable it to better weather the challenges ahead. What the APS does for the hobby really is amazing, for instance the Stamps in the Classroom program. I only visited the APS headquarters once and was blown away by the sheer number and variety of programs and initiatives to support the hobby at any level, from esoteric philatelic research, programs for kids, educational courses, to sales books etc. etc. You name it, the APS does it.




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22 Jan 2014
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I was introduced to the APS in the early 1970's and when i join something i tend to stay loyal. The membership was roughly 53,000 members..the American philatelist was sepia colored and the size of the programs you get at major shows. I am concerned when i see the average age of people applying for membership(they will not have long careers). Been out to the State College Hq. twice and the Bellefonte site once,i was shocked when i asked a kid mixing cement at the factory where the APS was and he did not know. The Bellefonte site is tucked in a corner with no place to grow and subject to flood. I parked in a lot shared with an ambulance service. As far as the people working at the APS you can not ask for friendlier more helpful folks. On one visit to the sales division Janet Klug was there with her club from Cincinnati..a very pleasant lady. I am life member now and have enjoyed my relationship with the APS !

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22 Jan 2014
01:10:57pm
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" ... You name it, the APS does it. ...."

Sure, but can it core an apple !!!

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michael78651

22 Jan 2014
01:11:55pm
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Arno and Phil, I agree with both of you. I too, am a long-time member (heading towards the 30 year mark).

The APS is such a big value to collectors with all that it offers, and alot of it is free with membership. It even offers non-members services and free information through its web site.

Also, stamp shows sponsored by the APS are free to everyone to go to.

Let me give you a comparison with another organization that I belong to, The National Model Railroad Association (annual dues are $66.00).

There is a big regional show to be held in my town in a couple of months. Yes! That is great news, and I'd like to attend...but...

- $85 for me to walk in the door
- $50 for me to bring my 6 year-old grandson
- $85 for me to bring his father
- $25 facilities fee if I don't stay in the hotel where the event is (but I can get it waived since I live in the area)

Those fees are just to get in the door. The NMRA bemoans the death of the model railroading hobby just as we bemoan the death of stamp collecting. I would say that the NMRA excludes people from going to its shows by the high price of admission, thus keeping the shows for the privileged few. They have reason to think that the hobby is dying. They are killing it by making it an exclusive club. The APS shows keep the hobby available to all at an affordable price - free.

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22 Jan 2014
01:40:25pm
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Michael,
You are absolutely correct in the dying of model railroading and look just how many beautiful stamps you could buy with the money you spend to attend the NMRA show.

"$25 facilities fee if I don't stay in the hotel where the event is.."
That's not a fee, that's just out and out "train" robbery. Sounds like Jesse and the Younger boys are alive and up to their old tricks again.

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22 Jan 2014
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The match factory was a fiasco..but they got in and could not get out..historical means $$$$$ renovation..so now the double whammy declining membership and debt !

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22 Jan 2014
03:44:08pm
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The APS match factory complex in Bellafonte, PA is a beautiful building complex. I have no idea what you are talking about, Phil. Exactly because membership is decreasing, it is critical to become less reliant on membership dues. Yes, the APS has mortgage debt related to the purchase and re-modelling of the historic complex. The mortgage is covered by other tenants in the complex paying rent, while the APS thus enjoys a free location. There is also plenty of undeveloped space yet that the APS can either grow into, or convert into additional rented office/retail space. This is managed conservatively as the APS does not remodel space until a long term lease agreement is in place. As the mortgage is paid of, the APS will enjoy a positive cash flow from leasing, plus is rent-free in its own building. Some members rejecting fee increases, while at the same time obstructing creative ways to tap into alternative funds is plain out irresponsible. I am delighted that the APS has turned the corner and no more relies on donations for covering operating expenses, as far as I know.


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22 Jan 2014
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Yeah it will be interesting to see how they fill the main part of the factory !

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15 Feb 2014
05:12:08pm
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The answer to what now (?) is that the president and the APS board have done an end around razzle dazzle play negating the membership voted on wishes, creating a "fund raiser" position while demoting Ken Martin.At Wits End It will come out to play that Ken will stay for a year, since the organization cannot afford two high salaries.

Is this individual going to bring in 2,000 additional members to at least justify his salary????????????? They must be paying this person 60-80K and at $45 (actually less when you take off the APS mag)per member that's what they'll need. Unlike what our illustrious president states, did everyone get his letter, (yes, I'm an APS member, 40 + yrs) we were almost 50,000 strong, now were 32-33,000. A loss of over 2,000 per year, not 1,000.

I'm going to look through the APS by-laws to see how impeachment proceeding can be commenced against these selfish individuals. They're going to throw away our assets. They are hanging onto the image of stamp collecting as done by fathers and sons in fornt of the fireplace. Wake up and smell the coffee. There is nothing wrong with a smaller, leaner APS, possibly absorbing other stamp specialty organizations to become the umbrella org. The APS mag could then publish a page on each of these "baby" APS societies.

Who's with me on this effort?? Let's get a group action going.

Ken S. Rock On

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15 Feb 2014
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who is behind he fund raising position within APS's board?

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15 Feb 2014
08:13:21pm
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"who is behind he fund raising position within APS's board? "




Per the APS President's letter, the board unanimously approved what was a unanimous recommendation of the Secure the Future Committee.

The explanatory letter can be viewed here.

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15 Feb 2014
09:41:13pm
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"we were almost 50,000 strong, now were 32-33,000. A loss of over 2,000 per year, not 1,000."



Ken, I believe that the largest count was over 54,000. I could be wrong on that, though as it was many years ago.

There were three major export of members in recent years:

- disapproval over the Match Factory purchase
- the debacle over the elections (Ken Lawrence sued the APS, or was it someone else?)
- annual dues were raised

This action, that goes against the explicit instructions of the membership (voted 2/3 against the CEO position) will certainly backfire and bring another exodus from the APS. Recall of the officers, and the disruption that would cause will also cause others to leave the organization. Don't be surprised to see membership totals drop into the 20,000s from all this.

I don't think the current APS officers and board are concerned about the membership. They keep talking about how the rent received from the Match Factory office build-outs will self-sustain costs. I don't have a problem with the Match Factory purchase. What the leadership said it was needed for and what they would do with the property has come to fruition. In the short term, it didn't look good, but in the long term it looks like it will be a good financial decision. I do have a problem with leadership that goes against what the membership has voiced their opposition to.


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15 Feb 2014
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"There is nothing wrong with a smaller, leaner APS, possibly absorbing other stamp specialty organizations to become the umbrella org. The APS mag could then publish a page on each of these "baby" APS societies."



That is exactly what the Texas Philatelic Association is and does. All the chapters report to the TPA, and their reports go into the TPA journal that is sent to the membership. It would be nice to read what the other APS chapters are doing. If the APS magazine (or even just the APS web site had such a section, even SOR could have a paragraph to publicize itself.
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16 Feb 2014
08:02:46am
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As a ten-year member of the APS, a few thoughts from the other side of the border...

The problem that most philatelic associations are facing is a demographic problem. There are far fewer members joining to replace those whom are dying off. This is also faced by a number of other organisations, including the Boy Scouts, various fraternal organisations (Masonic Order), etc.

There are fewer younger people out there than older people. The "baby boomers" have always been the biggest demographic. When they were teen-agers, there were more of them than middle-aged, people. When they were babies, there were more of them than seniors, etc. They're almost all senoirs, now.

How the APS expects to run out and get 2000 new mwmberships is beyond me.

I think we will have to do what Michael said about the TPA, run a smaller, leaner organisation.

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16 Feb 2014
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They used a sweet guy like Ken Martin almost to death...i guess they figured he reached his level of incompetence..or not tough enough to dig out more funds !!

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so, the APS is forced to bring an initiative to the membership (i assume that they had planned to move unilaterally until confronted with a dissatisfied and vocal membership); that initiative was trounced by the membership; that initiative was resurrected in a slightly different format. Do i have this right?

Yes, it was Ken Lawrence who sued APS over comments by another candidate.

Yes, I think people left after matchbook factory, and leadership turmoil personified by Lawrence (who was correct, which is why APS settled).

I think APS is amazingly agile for a large organization not devoted to technology. Zillions of stamps and new expertization programs both speak highly of their flexibility and forward thinking.

This latest, though, ignoring membership is bad. and i don't think this is going after new innovations, as claimed, but after more fundraising efforts. This will fail. People don't donate becuase you have a development office; they donate because they believe in your mission. if APS mission becomes donations, not stamps, it will be irrelevant.

Or so says i

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16 Feb 2014
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Let me provide yet once more a different perspective. I have met APS Executive Director Ken Martin once, and can confirm that he truly is a nice guy. With all his institutional knowledge, he almost is the spirit of the APS.

The last APS leadership and president attempted to restructure the APS. As a prelude new bylaws were proposed which would have given the APS flexibility in how work is assigned. The current APS bylaws are a bad document because certain tasks of the Executive Director are spelled out, which really should be included in a job description, but not in an organizational document. The membership shot the bylaw changes down. They also voted for a new president and board.

This new president and board now reached the same conclusion that Ken Martin cannot get the job done. That he is lacking the management and leadership skills that are critical for the APS right now.

I believe it is time to acknowledge that when two independent sets of elected leadership reach the same conclusion that perhaps there is something to it. These volunteers are not idiots. They are not capricious and enjoy firing people. They probably care about the APS more than everybody else. Otherwise they would not have volunteered for the job. Their concern is with securing the future of the APS. However, they are only volunteers, on the job part-time and only for their elected period. Given the size of the APS, it is necessary to employ a person whose job it is to worry full time about the issues facing the APS. This person also has to be accountable for results. Ken Martin is renowned for his office tours of the APS building; always available to show visitors around. This is why everybody knows him. I think the observation that the probably highest paid person in the APS apparently spends much of his week giving office tours shows the mismatch of what is needed, and what is supplied currently in a job called "Executive Director."

The future decline of membership is not a foregone conclusion. The APS is in much better shape now financially than in the past. I actually am quite optimistic about the future of the APS. You need to visit the APS headquarters to experience all the positive energy.


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OK, maybe your perspective is correct. I'm a long-AWOL APS member, so i get no say, and i'm far from the issues.

and perhaps i truly misunderstood the first effort at restructuring, which seemed to me to be an effort to fund a hi-price development director.

as to faulty job descriptions, it would seem that the board wrote it, the board can write a new one and exclude it from bylaws.

anyway, i'm too far away and too speculative, which is why i ask questions.

David

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16 Feb 2014
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Isn't change wonderful.......As J.C. Penny said, "If you have been doing the same thing the same way for 20 years you have been doing it the wrong way for 19."

Only two things can happen when something is changed; they get better or they get worse.

If they get worse it is time for another change.

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I was born in the USA but i don't let Fox News tell me what to think, i have been an APS member you might say all my adult life...i don't always agree with them..but there is more good than bad to an organization for stamp collectors !!! I miss reading Stamps,Stamp Collector, the Linns that once was ..but that was then !!

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16 Feb 2014
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Finally after many years, I joined the APS. My tiny voice, not expert at all in the intricacies of what is going on, would just pipe up and say:

Regardless of what board members conclude, the membership voted and the vote should be respected not circumvented. If board members do not agree with the membership they should step down. If chaos follows then perhaps another vote will rectify that. But to override the membership vote, well it seems wrong. Why vote?

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16 Feb 2014
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The APS is a great organization, I don't dispute that. It offers a lot to its members and I hope it continues to do so, maybe scaled back. What I don't like is being bamboozled!!!

I do not want to spend more money for a fund raiser, but if the eventual decision is to ax Ken's position, then do so and bring someone else in. Don't change his title to justify paying him more, and certainly hold him to minimum recruitment requirements: Base salary +bonus.

Pisses me off how they did this. I won't spit at them, but certainly will spit to my side if I see them at a show, hopefully not on any mint stamps. Shades of slick Willie!!

Ken S.Angry

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Janet Klug and Ken Martin are wonderful people..but for the most part i stay in the ranks and avoid the Colonels and Generalisimos !

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17 Feb 2014
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I have been an APS member for over 18 years this time (took a hiatus when kids & other life things took priority). I followed the debate over the by-laws change and was appalled by the (I thought) illegal way it was done as well as being opposed to the direction the then-current board was going. Thus, I was one of the 2/3 of those voting who opposed this. The current board (it is far from a new board as the retention rate approaches that of the US Congress) has chosen to ignore/rebuff the voice of its members (remember, only those that vote in an election have a real right to be heard--IMHO). I am thus further appalled at the cavalier manner in which this has occurred. The board is supposed to hold open meetings. Any discussion about a new position is not privileged under Roberts Rules, although discussions related to candidate evaluations and hiring certainly are. I enjoy the AP, access to the APRL, the philatelic blog, Philatelic Literature Review, etc. I think that dues are remarkably low for the services/benefits provided. I now must evaluate as to whether those benefits outweigh the high-handed tactics of the leadership.
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17 Feb 2014
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I am afraid I have made that calculation already and will not be renewing my membership.


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17 Feb 2014
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Roger, very well put. You should copy your post and paste it into the "contact us" form on the APS site.

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18 Feb 2014
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You know, I was about to rejoin after a ten year hiatus, but after reading this post and all the replies, I am better off spending my money on more collectibles. And on Coco dog of course.

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18 Feb 2014
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Its a shame..there is only one philatelic society and if it fails..it ain't coming back !

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18 Feb 2014
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It is a shame, but they are digging their own grave.

Ever since the Matchbox Factory project, APS has lost much of their focus on what they are about -- stamps, stamp collecting, and stamp collectors. I think Janet did an admirable job of trying to get back to the basics when she was Pres, but in my opinion it's mostly been a rapid downhill departure from philately. I stopped my membership last decade and used the money to promote philately in other ways.

When they quit playing politics and quit using membership money for personal pet projects, I'll reconsider. But I don't keep up much with what's going down at APS these days.

"I am better off spending my money on more collectibles. And on Coco dog of course."


Peter, Coco thanks you!

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18 Feb 2014
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Coco's treats this week are salmon, pheasant, and sweet potato bits. She's not hurting for anything! (those allergies are costing me a few MNH stamp purchases, with all this exotic food.)

Back to topic: I do regret not having an organizational identity with my collecting. I was thinking of subscribing to Gibbons Stamp Monthly since more of my interests are in that than the APS vehicles. I like the idea of maybe regional associations; has that never been tried? If not in the US, anywhere else (e.g., Canada? UK?)

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18 Feb 2014
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The National Model Railroad Association has regional associations that are under the national umbrella.

As for philately, like I said, the Texas Philatelic Association has affiliate stamp clubs and specialty groups in the larger metropolitan areas of the state.

Edit by writer - The correct term used by the TPS for the affiliate groups is "Chapters".

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19 Feb 2014
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I respectfully see this differently. I think the APS membership is worth retaining.

To cancel one's membership (or to not join, when one was considering it) in order to express opposition to the elected leadership is aiming at the wrong target, I think. Cancelling membership hurts the remaining members -- your fellow philatelists -- the staff of the APS (who are I think pretty much blameless in all of this), and organized philately in the US.

Better to keep one's membership and vote out the elected officials with whom you disagree. (And also to communicate with them directly. Most will respond personally.)

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19 Feb 2014
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It bothers me that the APS hierarchy would ignore the expressed desires of the membership, but I agree with Dave regarding support of the APS. I will continue to express my dissatisfaction with actions I oppose, but will do so within the organization. [I disagree with a lot of what goes in Washington, where many decisions of late seem to fly directly in the face of the opinions of the majority of the electorate, but I am not going to move to Canada or join a militia]

Maybe the voting members were wrong (and I am among those who voted with the majority) and the board, being in a position to see the "correct path," decided to override the vote (which they have the authority to do) - only time will tell. For now, I am willing to be a member of the loyal opposition. The APS will not fail if the board's decision proves to be a bad one; it will only fail if abandoned by the members.

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i concur with the 2 previous posts..through the APS i have access to a fantastic philatelic library,circuit books of stamps and clean,honest well run National stamp shows !

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19 Feb 2014
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I am an APS member. I disagree that we, or maybe I should say I, voted to prevent the hiring of another officer. The vote was whether to amend the bylaws and it failed. I voted against the change to the bylaws for the sole reason that not enough time was given to discuss and understand the issue before the vote. The actual changes to the bylaws may have made sense. Hiring another officer to fulfill vital duties that can't be performed now could be a good idea. Certainly something needs to be done.

The question we should be asking is whether the board is within its rights to create the COO position and hire a new Executive Director. I suspect they are but I have no idea.

But regardless, please don't pass on a membership to APS because of this issue (or non-issue). Focus on what the APS provides to membership and not on the business of the board.


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19 Feb 2014
10:34:29pm
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In my earlier post I noted that I would have to "weigh" whether or not to renew my membership. One positive I failed to mention is that membership in APS gives the member a certain cachet (I think that's the right word--feel free to inform me otherwise) of honor, integrity, financial responsibility, etc that is at times invaluable in conducting business and joining specialty societies. And that might outweigh other concerns.

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20 Feb 2014
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"Coco's treats this week are salmon, pheasant, and sweet potato bits. She's not hurting for anything! (those allergies are costing me a few MNH stamp purchases, with all this exotic food.)"

Peter, that's better than I eat..........

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"In my earlier post I noted that I would have to "weigh" whether or not to renew my membership. One positive I failed to mention is that membership in APS gives the member a certain cachet (I think that's the right word--feel free to inform me otherwise) of honor, integrity, financial responsibility, etc that is at times invaluable in conducting business and joining specialty societies. And that might outweigh other concerns."

Roger,

I feel the same way but have been jumping the fence .... I let my membership lapse when things started going sideways, years ago. Then I feel the APS must survive, I renew, then I feel I'm wasting money and lapse......

Strong leadership with results are what count..... all the good ideas and good intentions can only last so long on faith. The hobby has changed much, wish I had more time to dedicate to the problems but all I have time for is to complain.

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20 Feb 2014
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My opinion on this issue is that I am ticked that elected officials do whatever they want, when they want, but then let's stop and look towards our nations capital and see the same thing, much worse and more damaging. I get more irritated after every election, but still get out and vote, not just stay home and do nothing.

Win, lose or draw, the APS is still a great organization, offering many benefits to members and don't feel the way to change anything is to just throw up your hands and outright quit your membership. The APS is a business and like all businesses, management has to make many decisions about running that business, many of which not every member agrees with. Abe Lincoln said" “You can please some of the people some of the time, all of the people some of the time, some of the people all of the time, but you can never please all of the people all of the time.”

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20 Feb 2014
08:55:50pm
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In two or three months we'll find out how bad the membership loss has been for the last year, that's when the numbers are published in the American Philatelist. In my opinion an overpaid thumb, whether it is for membership recruitment or fund raising can't plug the holes in the dike. The membership will balance out at a lower but more dedicated membership level.

I was perfectly happy with a mono-colour AP. The board needs to look at the areas of the APS that are not self sustaining, and maybe consider some cutbacks. When it is said that the building pays for itself, does it also pay for the staff? We got a larger building, but what about the staff to run it. Does the sales division pay for itself? What about expertizing? Shows? etc.Day Dreaming

I would expect (hope?) that the board is not living in some fantasy world about stamp collecting. It is a constricting hobby, but it will survive. The internet has replaced USPS mailing. It's been years since I received a Commem. stamp on a non philatelic or SASE mailing. No one uses stamps = no stamp collecting. Meters are nice but not very attractive. Topicals and covers (history/geneology) will probably be a trend. The ATA has a strong membership, maybe the APS should hook up with them. Look at postcard collecting it was the rage, died and has now made a comeback. The last stamp dealer at my local coin/stamp show pulled out.

We need to constrict our (APS) vision to a more appropriate level.Thumbs Up Reach out to all those smaller specialty organizations, get prorated dues from them to publish their newsletters, or absorb them and go forward. Make our services pay for themselves or charge additional fees. Cut back on AP publishing, bi-monthly. How long do you think people will pay to receive a hard copy. Most younger people (younger than me) are paperless. They're not going to pay a large membership fee for an electronic publication. I'm a hard copy guy myself.

Many things you can do before whistling in the wind with a snake charmer member grabber/fundraiser, or as the APS president and board will call him, CEO. Thumbs Down

I will stay a member and fight this as best I can.Rock On

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20 Feb 2014
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Ken, from what I have read about the APS finances, the tenants renting space in the Match Factory now cover the mortgage costs for the building. They do not cover the cost of paid employees or other APS services. Now recently they have attracted a larger tenant, and are renovating some other sections of the facility for more tenants. I suppose that over time as more tenants come to the facility that more will APS functions become self-sustaining.

APS staff went through a reorganization and reduction in force a couple of years ago. Things slowed down considerably for a while, but they seem to have gotten over that. I also believe that some staff positions previously eliminated in the RIF have been reinstated, but not many.

Some services function primarily with volunteers, such as the Estate Advisory Service.

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Peter Mastrangelo lasted, what, two years. He was a non-profit organizational guy, not a collector. I suspect he was hired for his expected development acumen.

So, the Board cuts staff, including its newly hired ED and asks staff to do same jobs with less people.

Now, Board says staff isn't forward thinking enough.

How is that guys who are doing more with less are always also expected to thinking of the future while the handle the ship undermanned.

If I understood Wade's explanation for the bylaws change, it was to allow for another development guy to come AND run the ship (development guys really ought to be out there raising money, not handling administration, but, hey, what do I know). That failed.

Now, instead of a development guy, APS wants a forward thinking guy, but still wants to demote the senior philatelic guy in the place.

None of this makes a lick of sense to me. Carts are before the horse, explanations beg the question, and the membership appears to be overruled on answers it gives to questions it's asked.

Do i misunderstand?

I am not saying pull out of APS; far from it. The best way to change is to participate as an insider. But I'm stunned by a board that appears indifferent to its membership and underappreciative of the EDs it has hired.

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24 Jun 2013
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The proposed changes to the bylaws of the APS failed. I am not sure about the implications. Any insights / opinions? I am also not sure if all of our members followed the whole story. So perhaps we can bring everybody up to speed here.

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Roger also mentioned the ED fiasco at APS; is that Peter Mastroangelo? or something else?

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I'm reading on the Virtual Stamp Club (or whatever it is called now) that the current Board at the APS may push the CEO position through, even without the memberships blessing. Not sure how that works, but there is a lot of buzz about it.

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looking at VSC, if I understand this correctly, APS wants to add a CEO, who is really a development officer, to lead Fundraising efforts, right? Will this person report to Ken Martin, or vice versa? I thought that FR was what Mastroangelo was supposed to do; he'd been the first non-philatelist in that job forever, right?

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CEO would be top dog. Ken would report to that person.

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It is my understanding that the APS has hired two or three persons in the past to raise revenue, all of whom worked hard but failed to even cover their salaries. I think the strong opposition was, at least in part, a reaction to what the membership views as "been there, done that" so why waste more money making the same mistake.

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Ditto to Bobby's remark. I believe they have had three persons in that slot without any positive results and no one mentioned if those other three are still in that position, still drawing down a nice fat paycheck. Do they really need four high paid people doing the same job and failing?

It does seem that they are going to do whatever they want to regardless of turnout of the vote. And they are worried about retention of the membership? If they do what they are suggesting, color me Angry.... and I may just give them the Wave.

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Mike:

None of those 3 are currently employed by APS. It seems that the current Board (and probably future, since there was little turnover) appears intent on moving forward. Why the FR has to be CEO as well is a complete mystery to me. I have been appalled at the lack of openness on the part of the Board in this whole matter. As my father would have said "There's a skunk in the woodshed."

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I was under the impression that the big need was because the current person covered with an avalanche of work that he needed an assistant, that would also be the new FR or recruiter for more new members. It seems to me that most of the APS members are rather well to do and are dying off rather quickly and most of the up and comers haven't reached their earning peak yet, which is causing such a hardship on the budget. But that's just my humble opinion, not a consensus.

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The new "fund raiser" position was actually supposed to be the CEO. The executive director would be demoted and answer to the CEO.

From what I am hearing is that the Executive Board is of the opinion that the membership has no say in personnel and employment matters. Thus, they could go ahead and hire the CEO with or without membership approval. I think that would be a bad thing.

The Match Factory issue caused a large number of members to leave the APS. The large dues increase caused many members to leave the APS. If the board goes forward with this, no doubt more people will leave the APS. You'd think that APS is BS.

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26 Jun 2013
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I will seriously consider, not renewing my membership, if they go ahead with their plans. I have been a member since 1981. They cannot afford to lose anymore members.

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26 Jun 2013
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It would be a serious slap in the face if they went ahead and hired a CEO. To be fair, there was no vote for or against a CEO, just a vote for changes to the bylaws to ease the transition (essentially ensure the CEO got the necessary powers). I voted against the change to the bylaws which was really the only related item up for vote, but I considered that a vote against the CEO idea.

But mainly what I voted against was how quickly they tried to push this through with minimal discussion. When has a lengthy and thoughtful discussion ever been a bad idea except when there is an impending crisis? Since there is no crisis, why the need for rapid action (especially with ideas that have continually failed).

I would be seriously upset with a go ahead without a further discussion with membership.

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"When has a lengthy and thoughtful discussion ever been a bad idea except when there is an impending crisis? Since there is no crisis"

Like some of you, I feel there will be a rather large crisis, if they do go ahead and hire a new "CEO" or whatever they want to call him/her. The APS is not strong enough to treat their members the way they are attempting now. From the trends that have been going on for quite a few years, they should realize they are walking on eggshells, not a mountain peak.

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It seems to me that most of the APS members are rather well to do

As a retired, on a fixed income, APS member, I doubt that "mpst of the APS members are rather well to do"--I would expect quite the opposite. If one follows the discussion on the Delphi stamp forum, one would draw the conclusion that the rather well to do are a significant minority, thus a fundraiser would have to get blood from a stone, as the old saying goes.

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28 Jun 2013
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I have to agree. I think most APS members are ordinary collectors from the middle class.

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I know very few well-heeled collectors; my friends are all either working stiffs or just middle class. Some of us pay close attention to our expenditures. That doesn't exclude one from creating wonderful collections, though.

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That's right, Dave. We pay close attention to our expenditures...Yes, I did buy that stamp...oops! It cost more than I thought! I've been down that river more than once! Big Grin

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I have been out to State College twice and Bellefonte once...the workers at the APS and Ken Martin are the salt of the earth..would do anything for a stamp collector..really make you feel at home..when i went to State College Ken was still running drawers of Sales books out to the members..i told him he could "slow down", the kid has come a long way...as for the "big shots" i probably would not associate with them and vice versa...Bellefonte was a shock..i pulled into a kind of parking lot and a kid was mixing cement..i asked where the APS was and he did not know..there was no roof on most of the factory yet...what a $$$$ shocker !!!

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After the Bylaw changes failed, the APS is seeking now to address its leadership void within the confines of its existing structure. Ken Martin is moved to the newly created position of Chief Operating Officer, freeing up the Executive Director position for which a new individual will be sought. This announcement was posted I believe today (?) on the APS website.

One paragraph that struck a chord:

"Unfortunately, during the (past) five year period, there has been a continued annual net loss of around 1,000 members. During this time, the Society moved too slowly in developing membership services innovations and in responses to numerous other challenges that it has faced. Clearly, continuing down this path is unsustainable and inaction would be irresponsible for an elected Board charged with guiding the organization into the future."

Wile the speed and lack of explanation of the proposed bylaw changes certainly contributed to the rejection by the membership, it is also true that the APS faces significant challenges. Currently the APS appears not to possess a high-level staff member that is capable of the necessary strategic planning. I commend the volunteer APS board for not giving up on modernizing the organizational structure of the APS to enable it to better weather the challenges ahead. What the APS does for the hobby really is amazing, for instance the Stamps in the Classroom program. I only visited the APS headquarters once and was blown away by the sheer number and variety of programs and initiatives to support the hobby at any level, from esoteric philatelic research, programs for kids, educational courses, to sales books etc. etc. You name it, the APS does it.




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I was introduced to the APS in the early 1970's and when i join something i tend to stay loyal. The membership was roughly 53,000 members..the American philatelist was sepia colored and the size of the programs you get at major shows. I am concerned when i see the average age of people applying for membership(they will not have long careers). Been out to the State College Hq. twice and the Bellefonte site once,i was shocked when i asked a kid mixing cement at the factory where the APS was and he did not know. The Bellefonte site is tucked in a corner with no place to grow and subject to flood. I parked in a lot shared with an ambulance service. As far as the people working at the APS you can not ask for friendlier more helpful folks. On one visit to the sales division Janet Klug was there with her club from Cincinnati..a very pleasant lady. I am life member now and have enjoyed my relationship with the APS !

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" ... You name it, the APS does it. ...."

Sure, but can it core an apple !!!

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Arno and Phil, I agree with both of you. I too, am a long-time member (heading towards the 30 year mark).

The APS is such a big value to collectors with all that it offers, and alot of it is free with membership. It even offers non-members services and free information through its web site.

Also, stamp shows sponsored by the APS are free to everyone to go to.

Let me give you a comparison with another organization that I belong to, The National Model Railroad Association (annual dues are $66.00).

There is a big regional show to be held in my town in a couple of months. Yes! That is great news, and I'd like to attend...but...

- $85 for me to walk in the door
- $50 for me to bring my 6 year-old grandson
- $85 for me to bring his father
- $25 facilities fee if I don't stay in the hotel where the event is (but I can get it waived since I live in the area)

Those fees are just to get in the door. The NMRA bemoans the death of the model railroading hobby just as we bemoan the death of stamp collecting. I would say that the NMRA excludes people from going to its shows by the high price of admission, thus keeping the shows for the privileged few. They have reason to think that the hobby is dying. They are killing it by making it an exclusive club. The APS shows keep the hobby available to all at an affordable price - free.

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Michael,
You are absolutely correct in the dying of model railroading and look just how many beautiful stamps you could buy with the money you spend to attend the NMRA show.

"$25 facilities fee if I don't stay in the hotel where the event is.."
That's not a fee, that's just out and out "train" robbery. Sounds like Jesse and the Younger boys are alive and up to their old tricks again.

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22 Jan 2014
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The match factory was a fiasco..but they got in and could not get out..historical means $$$$$ renovation..so now the double whammy declining membership and debt !

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22 Jan 2014
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The APS match factory complex in Bellafonte, PA is a beautiful building complex. I have no idea what you are talking about, Phil. Exactly because membership is decreasing, it is critical to become less reliant on membership dues. Yes, the APS has mortgage debt related to the purchase and re-modelling of the historic complex. The mortgage is covered by other tenants in the complex paying rent, while the APS thus enjoys a free location. There is also plenty of undeveloped space yet that the APS can either grow into, or convert into additional rented office/retail space. This is managed conservatively as the APS does not remodel space until a long term lease agreement is in place. As the mortgage is paid of, the APS will enjoy a positive cash flow from leasing, plus is rent-free in its own building. Some members rejecting fee increases, while at the same time obstructing creative ways to tap into alternative funds is plain out irresponsible. I am delighted that the APS has turned the corner and no more relies on donations for covering operating expenses, as far as I know.


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Yeah it will be interesting to see how they fill the main part of the factory !

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15 Feb 2014
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The answer to what now (?) is that the president and the APS board have done an end around razzle dazzle play negating the membership voted on wishes, creating a "fund raiser" position while demoting Ken Martin.At Wits End It will come out to play that Ken will stay for a year, since the organization cannot afford two high salaries.

Is this individual going to bring in 2,000 additional members to at least justify his salary????????????? They must be paying this person 60-80K and at $45 (actually less when you take off the APS mag)per member that's what they'll need. Unlike what our illustrious president states, did everyone get his letter, (yes, I'm an APS member, 40 + yrs) we were almost 50,000 strong, now were 32-33,000. A loss of over 2,000 per year, not 1,000.

I'm going to look through the APS by-laws to see how impeachment proceeding can be commenced against these selfish individuals. They're going to throw away our assets. They are hanging onto the image of stamp collecting as done by fathers and sons in fornt of the fireplace. Wake up and smell the coffee. There is nothing wrong with a smaller, leaner APS, possibly absorbing other stamp specialty organizations to become the umbrella org. The APS mag could then publish a page on each of these "baby" APS societies.

Who's with me on this effort?? Let's get a group action going.

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who is behind he fund raising position within APS's board?

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15 Feb 2014
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"who is behind he fund raising position within APS's board? "




Per the APS President's letter, the board unanimously approved what was a unanimous recommendation of the Secure the Future Committee.

The explanatory letter can be viewed here.

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15 Feb 2014
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"we were almost 50,000 strong, now were 32-33,000. A loss of over 2,000 per year, not 1,000."



Ken, I believe that the largest count was over 54,000. I could be wrong on that, though as it was many years ago.

There were three major export of members in recent years:

- disapproval over the Match Factory purchase
- the debacle over the elections (Ken Lawrence sued the APS, or was it someone else?)
- annual dues were raised

This action, that goes against the explicit instructions of the membership (voted 2/3 against the CEO position) will certainly backfire and bring another exodus from the APS. Recall of the officers, and the disruption that would cause will also cause others to leave the organization. Don't be surprised to see membership totals drop into the 20,000s from all this.

I don't think the current APS officers and board are concerned about the membership. They keep talking about how the rent received from the Match Factory office build-outs will self-sustain costs. I don't have a problem with the Match Factory purchase. What the leadership said it was needed for and what they would do with the property has come to fruition. In the short term, it didn't look good, but in the long term it looks like it will be a good financial decision. I do have a problem with leadership that goes against what the membership has voiced their opposition to.


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"There is nothing wrong with a smaller, leaner APS, possibly absorbing other stamp specialty organizations to become the umbrella org. The APS mag could then publish a page on each of these "baby" APS societies."



That is exactly what the Texas Philatelic Association is and does. All the chapters report to the TPA, and their reports go into the TPA journal that is sent to the membership. It would be nice to read what the other APS chapters are doing. If the APS magazine (or even just the APS web site had such a section, even SOR could have a paragraph to publicize itself.
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As a ten-year member of the APS, a few thoughts from the other side of the border...

The problem that most philatelic associations are facing is a demographic problem. There are far fewer members joining to replace those whom are dying off. This is also faced by a number of other organisations, including the Boy Scouts, various fraternal organisations (Masonic Order), etc.

There are fewer younger people out there than older people. The "baby boomers" have always been the biggest demographic. When they were teen-agers, there were more of them than middle-aged, people. When they were babies, there were more of them than seniors, etc. They're almost all senoirs, now.

How the APS expects to run out and get 2000 new mwmberships is beyond me.

I think we will have to do what Michael said about the TPA, run a smaller, leaner organisation.

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16 Feb 2014
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They used a sweet guy like Ken Martin almost to death...i guess they figured he reached his level of incompetence..or not tough enough to dig out more funds !!

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so, the APS is forced to bring an initiative to the membership (i assume that they had planned to move unilaterally until confronted with a dissatisfied and vocal membership); that initiative was trounced by the membership; that initiative was resurrected in a slightly different format. Do i have this right?

Yes, it was Ken Lawrence who sued APS over comments by another candidate.

Yes, I think people left after matchbook factory, and leadership turmoil personified by Lawrence (who was correct, which is why APS settled).

I think APS is amazingly agile for a large organization not devoted to technology. Zillions of stamps and new expertization programs both speak highly of their flexibility and forward thinking.

This latest, though, ignoring membership is bad. and i don't think this is going after new innovations, as claimed, but after more fundraising efforts. This will fail. People don't donate becuase you have a development office; they donate because they believe in your mission. if APS mission becomes donations, not stamps, it will be irrelevant.

Or so says i

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16 Feb 2014
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Let me provide yet once more a different perspective. I have met APS Executive Director Ken Martin once, and can confirm that he truly is a nice guy. With all his institutional knowledge, he almost is the spirit of the APS.

The last APS leadership and president attempted to restructure the APS. As a prelude new bylaws were proposed which would have given the APS flexibility in how work is assigned. The current APS bylaws are a bad document because certain tasks of the Executive Director are spelled out, which really should be included in a job description, but not in an organizational document. The membership shot the bylaw changes down. They also voted for a new president and board.

This new president and board now reached the same conclusion that Ken Martin cannot get the job done. That he is lacking the management and leadership skills that are critical for the APS right now.

I believe it is time to acknowledge that when two independent sets of elected leadership reach the same conclusion that perhaps there is something to it. These volunteers are not idiots. They are not capricious and enjoy firing people. They probably care about the APS more than everybody else. Otherwise they would not have volunteered for the job. Their concern is with securing the future of the APS. However, they are only volunteers, on the job part-time and only for their elected period. Given the size of the APS, it is necessary to employ a person whose job it is to worry full time about the issues facing the APS. This person also has to be accountable for results. Ken Martin is renowned for his office tours of the APS building; always available to show visitors around. This is why everybody knows him. I think the observation that the probably highest paid person in the APS apparently spends much of his week giving office tours shows the mismatch of what is needed, and what is supplied currently in a job called "Executive Director."

The future decline of membership is not a foregone conclusion. The APS is in much better shape now financially than in the past. I actually am quite optimistic about the future of the APS. You need to visit the APS headquarters to experience all the positive energy.


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OK, maybe your perspective is correct. I'm a long-AWOL APS member, so i get no say, and i'm far from the issues.

and perhaps i truly misunderstood the first effort at restructuring, which seemed to me to be an effort to fund a hi-price development director.

as to faulty job descriptions, it would seem that the board wrote it, the board can write a new one and exclude it from bylaws.

anyway, i'm too far away and too speculative, which is why i ask questions.

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16 Feb 2014
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Isn't change wonderful.......As J.C. Penny said, "If you have been doing the same thing the same way for 20 years you have been doing it the wrong way for 19."

Only two things can happen when something is changed; they get better or they get worse.

If they get worse it is time for another change.

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16 Feb 2014
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I was born in the USA but i don't let Fox News tell me what to think, i have been an APS member you might say all my adult life...i don't always agree with them..but there is more good than bad to an organization for stamp collectors !!! I miss reading Stamps,Stamp Collector, the Linns that once was ..but that was then !!

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16 Feb 2014
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Finally after many years, I joined the APS. My tiny voice, not expert at all in the intricacies of what is going on, would just pipe up and say:

Regardless of what board members conclude, the membership voted and the vote should be respected not circumvented. If board members do not agree with the membership they should step down. If chaos follows then perhaps another vote will rectify that. But to override the membership vote, well it seems wrong. Why vote?

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16 Feb 2014
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The APS is a great organization, I don't dispute that. It offers a lot to its members and I hope it continues to do so, maybe scaled back. What I don't like is being bamboozled!!!

I do not want to spend more money for a fund raiser, but if the eventual decision is to ax Ken's position, then do so and bring someone else in. Don't change his title to justify paying him more, and certainly hold him to minimum recruitment requirements: Base salary +bonus.

Pisses me off how they did this. I won't spit at them, but certainly will spit to my side if I see them at a show, hopefully not on any mint stamps. Shades of slick Willie!!

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16 Feb 2014
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Janet Klug and Ken Martin are wonderful people..but for the most part i stay in the ranks and avoid the Colonels and Generalisimos !

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17 Feb 2014
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I have been an APS member for over 18 years this time (took a hiatus when kids & other life things took priority). I followed the debate over the by-laws change and was appalled by the (I thought) illegal way it was done as well as being opposed to the direction the then-current board was going. Thus, I was one of the 2/3 of those voting who opposed this. The current board (it is far from a new board as the retention rate approaches that of the US Congress) has chosen to ignore/rebuff the voice of its members (remember, only those that vote in an election have a real right to be heard--IMHO). I am thus further appalled at the cavalier manner in which this has occurred. The board is supposed to hold open meetings. Any discussion about a new position is not privileged under Roberts Rules, although discussions related to candidate evaluations and hiring certainly are. I enjoy the AP, access to the APRL, the philatelic blog, Philatelic Literature Review, etc. I think that dues are remarkably low for the services/benefits provided. I now must evaluate as to whether those benefits outweigh the high-handed tactics of the leadership.
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17 Feb 2014
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I am afraid I have made that calculation already and will not be renewing my membership.


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17 Feb 2014
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Roger, very well put. You should copy your post and paste it into the "contact us" form on the APS site.

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18 Feb 2014
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You know, I was about to rejoin after a ten year hiatus, but after reading this post and all the replies, I am better off spending my money on more collectibles. And on Coco dog of course.

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18 Feb 2014
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Its a shame..there is only one philatelic society and if it fails..it ain't coming back !

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18 Feb 2014
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It is a shame, but they are digging their own grave.

Ever since the Matchbox Factory project, APS has lost much of their focus on what they are about -- stamps, stamp collecting, and stamp collectors. I think Janet did an admirable job of trying to get back to the basics when she was Pres, but in my opinion it's mostly been a rapid downhill departure from philately. I stopped my membership last decade and used the money to promote philately in other ways.

When they quit playing politics and quit using membership money for personal pet projects, I'll reconsider. But I don't keep up much with what's going down at APS these days.

"I am better off spending my money on more collectibles. And on Coco dog of course."


Peter, Coco thanks you!

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18 Feb 2014
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Coco's treats this week are salmon, pheasant, and sweet potato bits. She's not hurting for anything! (those allergies are costing me a few MNH stamp purchases, with all this exotic food.)

Back to topic: I do regret not having an organizational identity with my collecting. I was thinking of subscribing to Gibbons Stamp Monthly since more of my interests are in that than the APS vehicles. I like the idea of maybe regional associations; has that never been tried? If not in the US, anywhere else (e.g., Canada? UK?)

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18 Feb 2014
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The National Model Railroad Association has regional associations that are under the national umbrella.

As for philately, like I said, the Texas Philatelic Association has affiliate stamp clubs and specialty groups in the larger metropolitan areas of the state.

Edit by writer - The correct term used by the TPS for the affiliate groups is "Chapters".

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19 Feb 2014
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I respectfully see this differently. I think the APS membership is worth retaining.

To cancel one's membership (or to not join, when one was considering it) in order to express opposition to the elected leadership is aiming at the wrong target, I think. Cancelling membership hurts the remaining members -- your fellow philatelists -- the staff of the APS (who are I think pretty much blameless in all of this), and organized philately in the US.

Better to keep one's membership and vote out the elected officials with whom you disagree. (And also to communicate with them directly. Most will respond personally.)

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It bothers me that the APS hierarchy would ignore the expressed desires of the membership, but I agree with Dave regarding support of the APS. I will continue to express my dissatisfaction with actions I oppose, but will do so within the organization. [I disagree with a lot of what goes in Washington, where many decisions of late seem to fly directly in the face of the opinions of the majority of the electorate, but I am not going to move to Canada or join a militia]

Maybe the voting members were wrong (and I am among those who voted with the majority) and the board, being in a position to see the "correct path," decided to override the vote (which they have the authority to do) - only time will tell. For now, I am willing to be a member of the loyal opposition. The APS will not fail if the board's decision proves to be a bad one; it will only fail if abandoned by the members.

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i concur with the 2 previous posts..through the APS i have access to a fantastic philatelic library,circuit books of stamps and clean,honest well run National stamp shows !

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19 Feb 2014
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I am an APS member. I disagree that we, or maybe I should say I, voted to prevent the hiring of another officer. The vote was whether to amend the bylaws and it failed. I voted against the change to the bylaws for the sole reason that not enough time was given to discuss and understand the issue before the vote. The actual changes to the bylaws may have made sense. Hiring another officer to fulfill vital duties that can't be performed now could be a good idea. Certainly something needs to be done.

The question we should be asking is whether the board is within its rights to create the COO position and hire a new Executive Director. I suspect they are but I have no idea.

But regardless, please don't pass on a membership to APS because of this issue (or non-issue). Focus on what the APS provides to membership and not on the business of the board.


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19 Feb 2014
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In my earlier post I noted that I would have to "weigh" whether or not to renew my membership. One positive I failed to mention is that membership in APS gives the member a certain cachet (I think that's the right word--feel free to inform me otherwise) of honor, integrity, financial responsibility, etc that is at times invaluable in conducting business and joining specialty societies. And that might outweigh other concerns.

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20 Feb 2014
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"Coco's treats this week are salmon, pheasant, and sweet potato bits. She's not hurting for anything! (those allergies are costing me a few MNH stamp purchases, with all this exotic food.)"

Peter, that's better than I eat..........

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"In my earlier post I noted that I would have to "weigh" whether or not to renew my membership. One positive I failed to mention is that membership in APS gives the member a certain cachet (I think that's the right word--feel free to inform me otherwise) of honor, integrity, financial responsibility, etc that is at times invaluable in conducting business and joining specialty societies. And that might outweigh other concerns."

Roger,

I feel the same way but have been jumping the fence .... I let my membership lapse when things started going sideways, years ago. Then I feel the APS must survive, I renew, then I feel I'm wasting money and lapse......

Strong leadership with results are what count..... all the good ideas and good intentions can only last so long on faith. The hobby has changed much, wish I had more time to dedicate to the problems but all I have time for is to complain.

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20 Feb 2014
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My opinion on this issue is that I am ticked that elected officials do whatever they want, when they want, but then let's stop and look towards our nations capital and see the same thing, much worse and more damaging. I get more irritated after every election, but still get out and vote, not just stay home and do nothing.

Win, lose or draw, the APS is still a great organization, offering many benefits to members and don't feel the way to change anything is to just throw up your hands and outright quit your membership. The APS is a business and like all businesses, management has to make many decisions about running that business, many of which not every member agrees with. Abe Lincoln said" “You can please some of the people some of the time, all of the people some of the time, some of the people all of the time, but you can never please all of the people all of the time.”

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20 Feb 2014
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In two or three months we'll find out how bad the membership loss has been for the last year, that's when the numbers are published in the American Philatelist. In my opinion an overpaid thumb, whether it is for membership recruitment or fund raising can't plug the holes in the dike. The membership will balance out at a lower but more dedicated membership level.

I was perfectly happy with a mono-colour AP. The board needs to look at the areas of the APS that are not self sustaining, and maybe consider some cutbacks. When it is said that the building pays for itself, does it also pay for the staff? We got a larger building, but what about the staff to run it. Does the sales division pay for itself? What about expertizing? Shows? etc.Day Dreaming

I would expect (hope?) that the board is not living in some fantasy world about stamp collecting. It is a constricting hobby, but it will survive. The internet has replaced USPS mailing. It's been years since I received a Commem. stamp on a non philatelic or SASE mailing. No one uses stamps = no stamp collecting. Meters are nice but not very attractive. Topicals and covers (history/geneology) will probably be a trend. The ATA has a strong membership, maybe the APS should hook up with them. Look at postcard collecting it was the rage, died and has now made a comeback. The last stamp dealer at my local coin/stamp show pulled out.

We need to constrict our (APS) vision to a more appropriate level.Thumbs Up Reach out to all those smaller specialty organizations, get prorated dues from them to publish their newsletters, or absorb them and go forward. Make our services pay for themselves or charge additional fees. Cut back on AP publishing, bi-monthly. How long do you think people will pay to receive a hard copy. Most younger people (younger than me) are paperless. They're not going to pay a large membership fee for an electronic publication. I'm a hard copy guy myself.

Many things you can do before whistling in the wind with a snake charmer member grabber/fundraiser, or as the APS president and board will call him, CEO. Thumbs Down

I will stay a member and fight this as best I can.Rock On

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20 Feb 2014
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Ken, from what I have read about the APS finances, the tenants renting space in the Match Factory now cover the mortgage costs for the building. They do not cover the cost of paid employees or other APS services. Now recently they have attracted a larger tenant, and are renovating some other sections of the facility for more tenants. I suppose that over time as more tenants come to the facility that more will APS functions become self-sustaining.

APS staff went through a reorganization and reduction in force a couple of years ago. Things slowed down considerably for a while, but they seem to have gotten over that. I also believe that some staff positions previously eliminated in the RIF have been reinstated, but not many.

Some services function primarily with volunteers, such as the Estate Advisory Service.

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Peter Mastrangelo lasted, what, two years. He was a non-profit organizational guy, not a collector. I suspect he was hired for his expected development acumen.

So, the Board cuts staff, including its newly hired ED and asks staff to do same jobs with less people.

Now, Board says staff isn't forward thinking enough.

How is that guys who are doing more with less are always also expected to thinking of the future while the handle the ship undermanned.

If I understood Wade's explanation for the bylaws change, it was to allow for another development guy to come AND run the ship (development guys really ought to be out there raising money, not handling administration, but, hey, what do I know). That failed.

Now, instead of a development guy, APS wants a forward thinking guy, but still wants to demote the senior philatelic guy in the place.

None of this makes a lick of sense to me. Carts are before the horse, explanations beg the question, and the membership appears to be overruled on answers it gives to questions it's asked.

Do i misunderstand?

I am not saying pull out of APS; far from it. The best way to change is to participate as an insider. But I'm stunned by a board that appears indifferent to its membership and underappreciative of the EDs it has hired.

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