My view on just about everything is that I have no right to dictate responsibilities to someone else. I'll leave that to the law. So, on that very simple principle I disagree.
The folks have the responsibilities they have created for themselves as dealers or collectors, period.
Now, on a more practical note, if collector or dealer hoarding is causing scarcity in the market and there is demand, then prices will rise. I see nothing wrong with dealers or collectors withholding material with that selfish objective (or any other of course). I think increased demand can do nothing but improve our hobby.
The word "marketplace" has connotations of commerce, applicable to stamp dealers
but not so much to stamp collectors.
As a collector, I am not inclined to bring my surplus stamps to the marketplace
and dispose of them in other ways - primarily by donation because most are
of little value.
I think the "statement" has little application to stamp collectors.
John Derry
Now you tell me. lol. I have spent the past week or so throwing away a couple pounds of stamps, SORRY
In general,since I am a fairly new collector, I am not a seller nor am I a trader. I am trying to build my collection, which is by no means a hoard. I have nowhere near the amount of time I would love to have... to spend on my stamp collection and all the stamps I have thrown away were offered to others (not necessarily here on sor) and no one was interested. I did not want to throw them away.
But I have not acquired nor come across anything spectacular, just common everyday stamps that I know everyone has, because I see them in the sor auction or on ebay.
Then it got to the point (even here on sor auction) where I end up bidding on the same stamp two or three times, because I didn't recall purchasing it before (until I receive it) But... I guess -more power to the sellers for my bad memory
I wish there were a way to get a notification --"Hey, you purchased that stamp already, are you sure you want to continue?"
Anyway.. I do save stamps to give freely, to others, such as Machins and flowers. I even tried giving them to local school teachers.. no one wanted them.
Clayton
Clayton there are veterans hospitals that will gladly accept donations of stamps. As for the dealers they are like stockbrokers..they will sell when it behooves them !
Clayton,
one of our members is running the Holocaust project, that wants any used stamp. There's also Stamps for the Wounded, a program for vets that takes about anything and offers a tax deduction for its value.
Great thing about this site is if you ask, you'll find an answer to just about anything, including who wants my three pounds of world wide stamps.
David
"So what do you think of this statement?"
I assume the statement does not apply to common stamps as there should be no ill affect from hoarding those. But context would help.
Getting stamps into the market is the function of a stamp dealer. So in that sense it is a responsibility. I just completed the APS US Banknotes class, and was startled to learn just how many stamps are mis-identified on eBay. Many of those mis-identified were offered by dealers either through ignorance or greed. It also seems to me that the dealer has to be honest, ethical and accept returns on any undamaged stamp.
""It is our position that dealers and collectors... are responsible for getting stamps into the marketplace where others can easily find them.""
Obviously a collectors collection comes first...after thats satisfied why would he not want to return his surplus stamps to other collectors or the marketplace ?
"want to" is one thing.... "responsible for" is another
Frankly, standing on its own, I think it is a rather silly statement.
A "collector" collects. He/She does what he wants with the material while in his possession. He has no responsibility either to other collectors, nor to an amorphous "marketplace" during his lifetime. If he has a responsibility it is to the hobby itself upon his passing. All of the classic stamps in our collections, stamps that we enjoy, have been in other collections, sometimes many collections, during their existence. In this sense, we do not "own" the stamps, but are temporary caretakers. If a collector has a responsibility, it is to assure that the stamps the collector has treasured get the opportunity to pass into other hands that will appreciate them equally upon his passing.
As far as dealers are concerned (of which I am one), this statement defines a dealer's self interest. Of course my role is to get stamps (and covers) into the marketplace where they can be easily found! However, it is not a responsibility to the marketplace that makes me do this, it is a responsibility to my business, and in fact determines my ultimate success or failure. In this sense, the statement is an empty one, equivalent to saying that the responsibility of a plumber is to plumb. As a dealer, I have many responsibilities ... respect for my product, respect for my customers, dealing with both buyers and sellers in fairness, and on and on. But making my stamps easy to find is survival, not a responsibility to the market.
So, in summary, in one case, the statement is inapplicable, and in the other, it is an empty statement.
Roy
"It is our position that dealers and collectors... are responsible for getting stamps into the marketplace where others can easily find them."
I think that it behooves dealers who are trying to maximize their return from their efforts to make the stamps they have as available for purchase as possible. (unless they are holding them for speculative purchases.) That's only good business practice. So, from the dealer perspective I guess I agree with the statement.
For collectors, it's completely up to the individual whether they want to sell or not. Ultimately, it's their money that's tied up both in material in their collections proper, and in excess material. For those of us with limited funds for our hobby, though, it kind of makes sense to get excess stamps "out there" (trade or sale) so that we can get more of the material we really want for our collections.
Eric
My position would be best illustrated by a simple example. Let's say that I am in possession of the only two examples of a rarity. I have determined that the value of ONE by itself, if the other didn't exist, would be greater that the TWO together, so I burn one of the examples to make the remaining example unique. That is completely within my rights and I have no obligation otherwise.
Fast forward several years. I am on my deathbed and I leave ALL of my extensive collection to my heirs, but I want that lone rarity placed in my pocket just before I'm cremated. That, too, is my right.
I have ABSOLUTELY NO OBLIGATION WHATSOEVER to preserve anything! I rip plate numbers off of stamps if they don't suit me. Supply and demand will dictate when such a move is too foolish from a financial point of view.
As to fakes, that's a different story. I think we all have an obligation to point out these obscenities when we see them, if for no other reason than to pay it forward for those that helped us in the past. I have no obligation to the hobby itself, but I do have an implicit obligation to my fellow philatelists to protect them from harm if it is reasonably within my ability.
JMHO.
Lars
An interesting take on that, Lars.
OUCH! A couple of pounds of stamps went into the trash!!!???
David is correct... Your unwanted stamps are like gold to the Holocaust Stamps Project, Foxborough Regional Charter School, 131 Central St., Foxboro, MA 02035....trying to amass 11,000,000 stamps!
See my recent post under Philatelic Discussion: Update:Holocaust Stamps Project.
Thanks to all who have donated stamps already!
From a recent philatelic publication, here is a statement of interest:
"It is our position that dealers and collectors... are responsible for getting stamps into the marketplace where others can easily find them."
I see a valid point to this. If we hoard stamps that we do not want or need, there are undoubtedly many people out there who would want to add those stamps to their collections. How will they be able to obtain the stamps that they want if the stamps are not in circulation?
So what do you think of this statement?
re: What Do You Think of This Statement?
My view on just about everything is that I have no right to dictate responsibilities to someone else. I'll leave that to the law. So, on that very simple principle I disagree.
The folks have the responsibilities they have created for themselves as dealers or collectors, period.
Now, on a more practical note, if collector or dealer hoarding is causing scarcity in the market and there is demand, then prices will rise. I see nothing wrong with dealers or collectors withholding material with that selfish objective (or any other of course). I think increased demand can do nothing but improve our hobby.
re: What Do You Think of This Statement?
The word "marketplace" has connotations of commerce, applicable to stamp dealers
but not so much to stamp collectors.
As a collector, I am not inclined to bring my surplus stamps to the marketplace
and dispose of them in other ways - primarily by donation because most are
of little value.
I think the "statement" has little application to stamp collectors.
John Derry
re: What Do You Think of This Statement?
Now you tell me. lol. I have spent the past week or so throwing away a couple pounds of stamps, SORRY
In general,since I am a fairly new collector, I am not a seller nor am I a trader. I am trying to build my collection, which is by no means a hoard. I have nowhere near the amount of time I would love to have... to spend on my stamp collection and all the stamps I have thrown away were offered to others (not necessarily here on sor) and no one was interested. I did not want to throw them away.
But I have not acquired nor come across anything spectacular, just common everyday stamps that I know everyone has, because I see them in the sor auction or on ebay.
Then it got to the point (even here on sor auction) where I end up bidding on the same stamp two or three times, because I didn't recall purchasing it before (until I receive it) But... I guess -more power to the sellers for my bad memory
I wish there were a way to get a notification --"Hey, you purchased that stamp already, are you sure you want to continue?"
Anyway.. I do save stamps to give freely, to others, such as Machins and flowers. I even tried giving them to local school teachers.. no one wanted them.
Clayton
re: What Do You Think of This Statement?
Clayton there are veterans hospitals that will gladly accept donations of stamps. As for the dealers they are like stockbrokers..they will sell when it behooves them !
re: What Do You Think of This Statement?
Clayton,
one of our members is running the Holocaust project, that wants any used stamp. There's also Stamps for the Wounded, a program for vets that takes about anything and offers a tax deduction for its value.
Great thing about this site is if you ask, you'll find an answer to just about anything, including who wants my three pounds of world wide stamps.
David
re: What Do You Think of This Statement?
"So what do you think of this statement?"
re: What Do You Think of This Statement?
I assume the statement does not apply to common stamps as there should be no ill affect from hoarding those. But context would help.
re: What Do You Think of This Statement?
Getting stamps into the market is the function of a stamp dealer. So in that sense it is a responsibility. I just completed the APS US Banknotes class, and was startled to learn just how many stamps are mis-identified on eBay. Many of those mis-identified were offered by dealers either through ignorance or greed. It also seems to me that the dealer has to be honest, ethical and accept returns on any undamaged stamp.
re: What Do You Think of This Statement?
""It is our position that dealers and collectors... are responsible for getting stamps into the marketplace where others can easily find them.""
re: What Do You Think of This Statement?
Obviously a collectors collection comes first...after thats satisfied why would he not want to return his surplus stamps to other collectors or the marketplace ?
re: What Do You Think of This Statement?
"want to" is one thing.... "responsible for" is another
re: What Do You Think of This Statement?
Frankly, standing on its own, I think it is a rather silly statement.
A "collector" collects. He/She does what he wants with the material while in his possession. He has no responsibility either to other collectors, nor to an amorphous "marketplace" during his lifetime. If he has a responsibility it is to the hobby itself upon his passing. All of the classic stamps in our collections, stamps that we enjoy, have been in other collections, sometimes many collections, during their existence. In this sense, we do not "own" the stamps, but are temporary caretakers. If a collector has a responsibility, it is to assure that the stamps the collector has treasured get the opportunity to pass into other hands that will appreciate them equally upon his passing.
As far as dealers are concerned (of which I am one), this statement defines a dealer's self interest. Of course my role is to get stamps (and covers) into the marketplace where they can be easily found! However, it is not a responsibility to the marketplace that makes me do this, it is a responsibility to my business, and in fact determines my ultimate success or failure. In this sense, the statement is an empty one, equivalent to saying that the responsibility of a plumber is to plumb. As a dealer, I have many responsibilities ... respect for my product, respect for my customers, dealing with both buyers and sellers in fairness, and on and on. But making my stamps easy to find is survival, not a responsibility to the market.
So, in summary, in one case, the statement is inapplicable, and in the other, it is an empty statement.
Roy
re: What Do You Think of This Statement?
"It is our position that dealers and collectors... are responsible for getting stamps into the marketplace where others can easily find them."
I think that it behooves dealers who are trying to maximize their return from their efforts to make the stamps they have as available for purchase as possible. (unless they are holding them for speculative purchases.) That's only good business practice. So, from the dealer perspective I guess I agree with the statement.
For collectors, it's completely up to the individual whether they want to sell or not. Ultimately, it's their money that's tied up both in material in their collections proper, and in excess material. For those of us with limited funds for our hobby, though, it kind of makes sense to get excess stamps "out there" (trade or sale) so that we can get more of the material we really want for our collections.
Eric
re: What Do You Think of This Statement?
My position would be best illustrated by a simple example. Let's say that I am in possession of the only two examples of a rarity. I have determined that the value of ONE by itself, if the other didn't exist, would be greater that the TWO together, so I burn one of the examples to make the remaining example unique. That is completely within my rights and I have no obligation otherwise.
Fast forward several years. I am on my deathbed and I leave ALL of my extensive collection to my heirs, but I want that lone rarity placed in my pocket just before I'm cremated. That, too, is my right.
I have ABSOLUTELY NO OBLIGATION WHATSOEVER to preserve anything! I rip plate numbers off of stamps if they don't suit me. Supply and demand will dictate when such a move is too foolish from a financial point of view.
As to fakes, that's a different story. I think we all have an obligation to point out these obscenities when we see them, if for no other reason than to pay it forward for those that helped us in the past. I have no obligation to the hobby itself, but I do have an implicit obligation to my fellow philatelists to protect them from harm if it is reasonably within my ability.
JMHO.
Lars
re: What Do You Think of This Statement?
An interesting take on that, Lars.
re: What Do You Think of This Statement?
OUCH! A couple of pounds of stamps went into the trash!!!???
David is correct... Your unwanted stamps are like gold to the Holocaust Stamps Project, Foxborough Regional Charter School, 131 Central St., Foxboro, MA 02035....trying to amass 11,000,000 stamps!
See my recent post under Philatelic Discussion: Update:Holocaust Stamps Project.
Thanks to all who have donated stamps already!