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17 Mar 2014
08:58:25pm
I beseech the Chief Auctioneer (for life) to re-examine the existing criteria
which results in auction lots being labelled "hot".

In light of the new economy, which has existed for some years now,
I recommend updating the criteria to make it more difficult for auction lots
to be subjected to this sort of infantile marketing hype;
and which stereotypes auction-lot bidders as intellectually immature,
with status markedly less than that of sellers.

As few as two members (less than 1% of 1% of the membership) bidding
on one auction lot can result in that infuriating "hot" icon popping
up, robbing we bidders of our senses and resulting in irrational bidding
while sellers ecstasize.

May I suggest that at least five separate members must be, or have been,
bidding on an auction lot within a forty-eight hour period before the
label "hot" may be affixed.

Principle of full disclosure: the current "hot" label remind me far too
much of those revolting, hysterical "K-Tel" commercials which led me
to abandon television decades ago; and pardon some of the liberties
I've taken with English vocabulary.

Moreover, and to everyone's annoyance, I ask the Chief Auctioneer,
a now-and-then seller on Stamporama's auction board, to recuse himself
from my request and refer it to the remainder of the Volunteer
Committee whose wisdom and judgement I will accept unequivocally.

John Derry ("hot" under the collar)





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17 Mar 2014
09:20:03pm

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John - If you are asking the Auctioneer, a now-and-then seller on Stamporama's auction board, to recuse himself from your request and refer it to the remainder of the Volunteer
Committee solely because of the fact that he is a now-and-then seller on Stamporama's auction, then the remaining members of the Volunteer Committee should also recuse themselves as most(if not all)are now-and-then sellers.

Respectfully,
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17 Mar 2014
10:35:24pm
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John,
Did you mean for your request to sound as harsh as it came across? If I didn't know you better I'd think that you were questioning David's ability to be impartial. Did you mean to imply that?
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17 Mar 2014
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I don't think anybody was thinking anything specifically when setting criteria for the "Hot" flag. Dan with likely the best institutional memory can weigh in if the auctioneer or the VC had even anything to do with setting these criteria. It is just benign playfulness. I don't think anybody is getting hurt by it. However, I also do not think that the Hot-flag adds any value -- neither in its current nor in any revised form. The number of bids is obvious to those interested. If your bidding behavior is influenced by the number of bids on any one item, by all means, you can sort auction items by this criterion. Generally, I am on John's side preferring less clutter and redundancy. If more than just one individual believes there is no value to it, I am sure Tim could eliminate it.

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18 Mar 2014
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Geez...how about those Mets???

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18 Mar 2014
06:22:41am
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As a seller, I'm all for hype.....Big Grin

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18 Mar 2014
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Nothing i like better than one of John's whimsical tirades linking Slim Whitman and myself in the same thread and the plea to recuse myself, which i not only note but welcome so that I might comment as amused bystander rather than a guy who is expected to actually address the issue

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18 Mar 2014
10:11:09am
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Me mind on fire -- Me soul on fire -- Feeling hot hot hot
Party people -- All around me feeling hot hot hot
What to do - On a night like this
Music sweet - I can't resist
We need a party song - A fundamental jam

See people rocking -- Hear people chanting -- Feeling hot hot hot
Keep up this spirit -- Come on let's do it -- Feeling hot hot hot
It's in the air - Celebration time
Music sweet - captivate your mind
We have this party song - This fundamental jam

People in the party - hot hot hot
People in the party - hot hot hot
They come to the party know what they got
They come to the party know what they got
I'm hot -- You're hot -- He's hot -- She's hot
I'm hot -- You're hot -- He's hot -- She's hot
(Real hot) -- (Real hot) -- (Real hot) -- (Real hot)H
a-ha-ha - Oh Lord

How you feeling? (Hot hot hot)
How you feeling? (Hot hot hot)
How you feeling? (Hot hot hot)
How you feeling? (Hot hot hot)
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18 Mar 2014
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where's the moderator when you need him to rein in these meandering comments, although, come to think of it, while I remind myself of Slim, John's resemblance to Mr Poindexter is more than just coincidental, don't you think.

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18 Mar 2014
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People having misunderstandings and short fuses. You would think it was Lent or something.

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18 Mar 2014
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18 Mar 2014
11:11:33am

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I think it is unfortunate that John's request is now on the brink of being lost underneath a blanket of jokes. As a matter of fact, I fully agree with John and think that his proposal to change the moment when an auction becomes "hot" is a good one.

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18 Mar 2014
11:38:02am
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Jan-Simon is correct and I apologize for being flippant in my posted response. John made a legitimate and appropriate post and, despite the fun we are having here, he deserves to have his proposal taken seriously. Personally, I am ambivalent about having icons of any sort attached to auction titles. Such notations do not irritate me or influence my viewing or bidding on any conscious level, nor does it please or displease me when attached to my own auction items.

I believe the VC is a good cross representation of our membership, and whether to continue or discontinue the use of the "hot" icon should be determined by the VC.

But if this is not settled sooner rather than later, I cannot promise that I will not yield to my baser instincts and post something inane, off-topic and (at least in my own befuddled and chaotic mind) humorous.Big Grin




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18 Mar 2014
11:51:41am
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"...where's the moderator when you need him to rein in these meandering comments..."

The "him" in question is having a minor breakdown and seems to be acting in a manner hypocritical to "his" previously published stance on adherence to the letter and spirit of the rules. Even moderator's have little voices which remind them when they go too far astray - unfortunately for the members and the "him" referred to above, the little voice which usually reins "him" in is that of fellow moderator lisagrant who is sorely missed.

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18 Mar 2014
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Cool! Man! Cool actually, I kind of agree with the curmudgeon.

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18 Mar 2014
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Well, then let me suggest to take this discussion offline and discuss within the VC.

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18 Mar 2014
07:45:18pm
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Bobby,

I clearly have abandoned you for far too long! My apologies!!I Don't Want To See please check your email.

My vision is still 20/50 to 20/80 corrected but I will do my best to become more active when I'm able to see well, by which I mean 20/50 in both eyes.

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19 Mar 2014
08:30:26am
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I think the way it is working now is just fine. How often do we get 5 people bidding on one auction here? If we went to that criteria nothing would ever be hot. I have enough self control to not go into a frenzy just because I see something is "hot". It may attract me to look at the auction and anything that brings bidders in is good with me. I appreciate the hell out of free auctions and approvals . I applaud the excellent work done here. Thank You!Thumbs Up

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19 Mar 2014
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Has anyone considered the possibility that the "Hot" icon could actually scare off potential bidders who do not want to get into a bidding war/frenzy over an item? Just a thought.

It doesn't matter to me if it stays or goes, but I wouldn't mourn its disappearance.

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19 Mar 2014
10:40:10am
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I believe the threshold is 7 bids before it becomes "Hot". I like it. When I see the the "Hot" icon, it makes me check the item out because it might be a better item.

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19 Mar 2014
08:29:16pm
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For what it is worth - just now if I click the Show categories link it says 4963 total auction lots. If I click the Hot Items link it shows me there are 6 hot items right now. I've always thought the Hot items was a neat feature, but it is not something I normally look at. Plus if my memory is correct the SOR auction has always had this feature, even the old auction software.

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21 Mar 2014
07:03:56pm
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BIGGIE6336 Fri 14th March 2014 16:41:36 $1.00 Bid
Oneindian Fri 14th March 2014 17:28:50 $1.10 Bid
cpconway Fri 21st March 2014 00:37:16 $1.20 Bid
cpconway Fri 21st March 2014 08:53:17 $1.52 Proxie
bobgggg Fri 21st March 2014 08:53:17 $1.62 Bid
cpconway Fri 21st March 2014 10:04:19 $2.03 Bid
bobgggg Fri 21st March 2014 10:04:19 $2.13 Proxie
bobgggg Fri 21st March 2014 10:04:38 $2.26 Proxie
cpconway Fri 21st March 2014 10:04:38 $2.36 Bid
cpconway Fri 21st March 2014 11:39:02 $2.57 Proxie
Oneindian Fri 21st March 2014 11:39:02 $2.67 Bid
Oneindian Fri 21st March 2014 13:15:44 $2.75 Proxie
cpconway Fri 21st March 2014 13:15:44 $2.85 Bid
BIGGIE6336 Fri 21st March 2014 14:37:33 $3.01 Bid
cpconway Fri 21st March 2014 14:37:33 $3.08 Proxie
Oneindian Fri 21st March 2014 17:55:24 $3.18 Bid
cpconway Fri 21st March 2014 18:21:43 $3.60 Bid
Oneindian Fri 21st March 2014 18:21:43 $3.70 Proxie
cpconway Fri 21st March 2014 18:21:52 $3.80 Bid
Oneindian Fri 21st March 2014 18:21:52 $3.90 Proxie
Oneindian Fri 21st March 2014 18:22:04 $4.00 Proxie
cpconway Fri 21st March 2014 18:22:04 $4.04 Bid

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24 Mar 2014
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The VC has discussed possible changes to the "Hot item"-flag in our auction and decided to leave it as is.

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25 Mar 2014
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Personally I feel that the "HOT" item tag doesn't mean much, but if you are a seller you surely get a big smile on your face when you see that at least one of your items was a big hit with the buyers.

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26 Mar 2014
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Well some like it ....Image Not Found.... "Hot".

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31 Mar 2014
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I might have to buy that album...and maybe listen to the music.

Why the Danish band used a painting of (what looks like) San Francisco to adorn their cover (except for the obvious reason), I don't know.

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Charlie, would you help that lady pick up what she dropped? Blushing

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01 Apr 2014
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Charlie is a man that KNOWS what is HOT and what is NOT!

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17 Mar 2014
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I beseech the Chief Auctioneer (for life) to re-examine the existing criteria
which results in auction lots being labelled "hot".

In light of the new economy, which has existed for some years now,
I recommend updating the criteria to make it more difficult for auction lots
to be subjected to this sort of infantile marketing hype;
and which stereotypes auction-lot bidders as intellectually immature,
with status markedly less than that of sellers.

As few as two members (less than 1% of 1% of the membership) bidding
on one auction lot can result in that infuriating "hot" icon popping
up, robbing we bidders of our senses and resulting in irrational bidding
while sellers ecstasize.

May I suggest that at least five separate members must be, or have been,
bidding on an auction lot within a forty-eight hour period before the
label "hot" may be affixed.

Principle of full disclosure: the current "hot" label remind me far too
much of those revolting, hysterical "K-Tel" commercials which led me
to abandon television decades ago; and pardon some of the liberties
I've taken with English vocabulary.

Moreover, and to everyone's annoyance, I ask the Chief Auctioneer,
a now-and-then seller on Stamporama's auction board, to recuse himself
from my request and refer it to the remainder of the Volunteer
Committee whose wisdom and judgement I will accept unequivocally.

John Derry ("hot" under the collar)





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17 Mar 2014
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John - If you are asking the Auctioneer, a now-and-then seller on Stamporama's auction board, to recuse himself from your request and refer it to the remainder of the Volunteer
Committee solely because of the fact that he is a now-and-then seller on Stamporama's auction, then the remaining members of the Volunteer Committee should also recuse themselves as most(if not all)are now-and-then sellers.

Respectfully,
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17 Mar 2014
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John,
Did you mean for your request to sound as harsh as it came across? If I didn't know you better I'd think that you were questioning David's ability to be impartial. Did you mean to imply that?
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I don't think anybody was thinking anything specifically when setting criteria for the "Hot" flag. Dan with likely the best institutional memory can weigh in if the auctioneer or the VC had even anything to do with setting these criteria. It is just benign playfulness. I don't think anybody is getting hurt by it. However, I also do not think that the Hot-flag adds any value -- neither in its current nor in any revised form. The number of bids is obvious to those interested. If your bidding behavior is influenced by the number of bids on any one item, by all means, you can sort auction items by this criterion. Generally, I am on John's side preferring less clutter and redundancy. If more than just one individual believes there is no value to it, I am sure Tim could eliminate it.

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18 Mar 2014
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Geez...how about those Mets???

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18 Mar 2014
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As a seller, I'm all for hype.....Big Grin

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18 Mar 2014
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Nothing i like better than one of John's whimsical tirades linking Slim Whitman and myself in the same thread and the plea to recuse myself, which i not only note but welcome so that I might comment as amused bystander rather than a guy who is expected to actually address the issue

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Me mind on fire -- Me soul on fire -- Feeling hot hot hot
Party people -- All around me feeling hot hot hot
What to do - On a night like this
Music sweet - I can't resist
We need a party song - A fundamental jam

See people rocking -- Hear people chanting -- Feeling hot hot hot
Keep up this spirit -- Come on let's do it -- Feeling hot hot hot
It's in the air - Celebration time
Music sweet - captivate your mind
We have this party song - This fundamental jam

People in the party - hot hot hot
People in the party - hot hot hot
They come to the party know what they got
They come to the party know what they got
I'm hot -- You're hot -- He's hot -- She's hot
I'm hot -- You're hot -- He's hot -- She's hot
(Real hot) -- (Real hot) -- (Real hot) -- (Real hot)H
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How you feeling? (Hot hot hot)
How you feeling? (Hot hot hot)
How you feeling? (Hot hot hot)
How you feeling? (Hot hot hot)
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where's the moderator when you need him to rein in these meandering comments, although, come to think of it, while I remind myself of Slim, John's resemblance to Mr Poindexter is more than just coincidental, don't you think.

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18 Mar 2014
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People having misunderstandings and short fuses. You would think it was Lent or something.

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18 Mar 2014
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I think it is unfortunate that John's request is now on the brink of being lost underneath a blanket of jokes. As a matter of fact, I fully agree with John and think that his proposal to change the moment when an auction becomes "hot" is a good one.

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18 Mar 2014
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Jan-Simon is correct and I apologize for being flippant in my posted response. John made a legitimate and appropriate post and, despite the fun we are having here, he deserves to have his proposal taken seriously. Personally, I am ambivalent about having icons of any sort attached to auction titles. Such notations do not irritate me or influence my viewing or bidding on any conscious level, nor does it please or displease me when attached to my own auction items.

I believe the VC is a good cross representation of our membership, and whether to continue or discontinue the use of the "hot" icon should be determined by the VC.

But if this is not settled sooner rather than later, I cannot promise that I will not yield to my baser instincts and post something inane, off-topic and (at least in my own befuddled and chaotic mind) humorous.Big Grin




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"...where's the moderator when you need him to rein in these meandering comments..."

The "him" in question is having a minor breakdown and seems to be acting in a manner hypocritical to "his" previously published stance on adherence to the letter and spirit of the rules. Even moderator's have little voices which remind them when they go too far astray - unfortunately for the members and the "him" referred to above, the little voice which usually reins "him" in is that of fellow moderator lisagrant who is sorely missed.

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Cool! Man! Cool actually, I kind of agree with the curmudgeon.

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Well, then let me suggest to take this discussion offline and discuss within the VC.

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Bobby,

I clearly have abandoned you for far too long! My apologies!!I Don't Want To See please check your email.

My vision is still 20/50 to 20/80 corrected but I will do my best to become more active when I'm able to see well, by which I mean 20/50 in both eyes.

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I think the way it is working now is just fine. How often do we get 5 people bidding on one auction here? If we went to that criteria nothing would ever be hot. I have enough self control to not go into a frenzy just because I see something is "hot". It may attract me to look at the auction and anything that brings bidders in is good with me. I appreciate the hell out of free auctions and approvals . I applaud the excellent work done here. Thank You!Thumbs Up

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19 Mar 2014
09:47:07am

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Has anyone considered the possibility that the "Hot" icon could actually scare off potential bidders who do not want to get into a bidding war/frenzy over an item? Just a thought.

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I believe the threshold is 7 bids before it becomes "Hot". I like it. When I see the the "Hot" icon, it makes me check the item out because it might be a better item.

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19 Mar 2014
08:29:16pm

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For what it is worth - just now if I click the Show categories link it says 4963 total auction lots. If I click the Hot Items link it shows me there are 6 hot items right now. I've always thought the Hot items was a neat feature, but it is not something I normally look at. Plus if my memory is correct the SOR auction has always had this feature, even the old auction software.

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BIGGIE6336 Fri 14th March 2014 16:41:36 $1.00 Bid
Oneindian Fri 14th March 2014 17:28:50 $1.10 Bid
cpconway Fri 21st March 2014 00:37:16 $1.20 Bid
cpconway Fri 21st March 2014 08:53:17 $1.52 Proxie
bobgggg Fri 21st March 2014 08:53:17 $1.62 Bid
cpconway Fri 21st March 2014 10:04:19 $2.03 Bid
bobgggg Fri 21st March 2014 10:04:19 $2.13 Proxie
bobgggg Fri 21st March 2014 10:04:38 $2.26 Proxie
cpconway Fri 21st March 2014 10:04:38 $2.36 Bid
cpconway Fri 21st March 2014 11:39:02 $2.57 Proxie
Oneindian Fri 21st March 2014 11:39:02 $2.67 Bid
Oneindian Fri 21st March 2014 13:15:44 $2.75 Proxie
cpconway Fri 21st March 2014 13:15:44 $2.85 Bid
BIGGIE6336 Fri 21st March 2014 14:37:33 $3.01 Bid
cpconway Fri 21st March 2014 14:37:33 $3.08 Proxie
Oneindian Fri 21st March 2014 17:55:24 $3.18 Bid
cpconway Fri 21st March 2014 18:21:43 $3.60 Bid
Oneindian Fri 21st March 2014 18:21:43 $3.70 Proxie
cpconway Fri 21st March 2014 18:21:52 $3.80 Bid
Oneindian Fri 21st March 2014 18:21:52 $3.90 Proxie
Oneindian Fri 21st March 2014 18:22:04 $4.00 Proxie
cpconway Fri 21st March 2014 18:22:04 $4.04 Bid

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24 Mar 2014
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The VC has discussed possible changes to the "Hot item"-flag in our auction and decided to leave it as is.

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25 Mar 2014
09:44:47am

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Personally I feel that the "HOT" item tag doesn't mean much, but if you are a seller you surely get a big smile on your face when you see that at least one of your items was a big hit with the buyers.

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Well some like it ....Image Not Found.... "Hot".

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31 Mar 2014
04:49:05pm

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I might have to buy that album...and maybe listen to the music.

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Charlie, would you help that lady pick up what she dropped? Blushing

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01 Apr 2014
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Charlie is a man that KNOWS what is HOT and what is NOT!

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