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This cover is five cent rate, yet it is not shipped overseas and it shows no sign of having enclosures that were over an ounce. I have found lots of good info on General Ripley, but the rate is still a mystery to me. Can anyone solve this mystery?
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I can only wonder why the sender didn't use the 5C Zachary Taylor that was printed for the 5C UPU Foreign Mail rate. Unlees of course they had these two stamps on hand. If not the Foreign desk, what else did the F in the CDS signify? This period in the large bank note use is when the main post offices dropped the use of the year date. One thought was this mail before the glitter fad was proscribed, if so, it may have made the letter/card/photo/ heavier? Was there still carrier fees in New York at the time of this mailing?
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Interesting cover. I hope you write up General Ripley. I have never heard the name before.
I don't have a definitive answer for you. I think the key will be in finding where the General was when mailed. I could find no listings for CENTRE RUTLAND in the US, outside of a substance abuse treatment facility. But it wasn't a town. There is a Rutland, NY, built on what once was Rutland Centre; it's upstate, near the border.
I assume the the two lower letters are "L.I." and stand for Long Island, but that's an assumption. I could find no Rutland in Long Island. There's also a Rutland, VT; probably other Rutlands around, too, but I'm starting to wander
IF this is the US, there is NO rate in any period in which these stamps were used that would explain the postage. Postage was 3c per half ounce from 1863 to 1883; and 2c from 1883 to 1917 (although, during this period, the weight allowance increases from 1/2 ounce to 1 ounce). the second ounce (or half ounce) costs the same, so double rate would be 6c or 4c, respectively.
IF this is outside the US, and there is a Rutland Centre in Ireland, then the 5c pays the going rate to Europe through this period (there are other, lower rates, but then it gets complicated).
There is one rate in this period, up to 1875, when a local 2c rate would be charged a full 3c forwarding fee if it morphed from local to domestic, but I see no evidence that this happened.
Is there any marking on the reverse that would help us further?
David Teisler
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Info below is from Wikipedia. From this I would infer that the address is Rutland, Vt. (Been there, delightful town)
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looking like Rutland might be Vermont in this case. There's clearly a reason for him to be writing to Rutland VT...which makes the franking wrong for any rate available.
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This cover is five cent rate, yet it is not shipped overseas and it shows no sign of having enclosures that were over an ounce. I have found lots of good info on General Ripley, but the rate is still a mystery to me. Can anyone solve this mystery?
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re: Help in rate for this Civil War General's cover.
I can only wonder why the sender didn't use the 5C Zachary Taylor that was printed for the 5C UPU Foreign Mail rate. Unlees of course they had these two stamps on hand. If not the Foreign desk, what else did the F in the CDS signify? This period in the large bank note use is when the main post offices dropped the use of the year date. One thought was this mail before the glitter fad was proscribed, if so, it may have made the letter/card/photo/ heavier? Was there still carrier fees in New York at the time of this mailing?
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re: Help in rate for this Civil War General's cover.
Interesting cover. I hope you write up General Ripley. I have never heard the name before.
I don't have a definitive answer for you. I think the key will be in finding where the General was when mailed. I could find no listings for CENTRE RUTLAND in the US, outside of a substance abuse treatment facility. But it wasn't a town. There is a Rutland, NY, built on what once was Rutland Centre; it's upstate, near the border.
I assume the the two lower letters are "L.I." and stand for Long Island, but that's an assumption. I could find no Rutland in Long Island. There's also a Rutland, VT; probably other Rutlands around, too, but I'm starting to wander
IF this is the US, there is NO rate in any period in which these stamps were used that would explain the postage. Postage was 3c per half ounce from 1863 to 1883; and 2c from 1883 to 1917 (although, during this period, the weight allowance increases from 1/2 ounce to 1 ounce). the second ounce (or half ounce) costs the same, so double rate would be 6c or 4c, respectively.
IF this is outside the US, and there is a Rutland Centre in Ireland, then the 5c pays the going rate to Europe through this period (there are other, lower rates, but then it gets complicated).
There is one rate in this period, up to 1875, when a local 2c rate would be charged a full 3c forwarding fee if it morphed from local to domestic, but I see no evidence that this happened.
Is there any marking on the reverse that would help us further?
David Teisler
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14 Sep 2014
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re: Help in rate for this Civil War General's cover.
Info below is from Wikipedia. From this I would infer that the address is Rutland, Vt. (Been there, delightful town)
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looking like Rutland might be Vermont in this case. There's clearly a reason for him to be writing to Rutland VT...which makes the franking wrong for any rate available.
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