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United States/Covers & Postmarks : Help with rate, please

 

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08 Oct 2014
10:42:21pm
I have a turned cover that began life as a U296 with a preprinted business address in Chicago. U296 is a 1c envelope issued 1887-94. The letter is postmarked Chicago and addressed to Fonda, Iowa - about 400 miles away. Was there a 3rd class rate that may have applied?

The cover was turned and addressed to Milwaukee, Wisconsin. It's franked with a 1c stamp that is 247 (1894) or 264 (1895). There is no visible date in the postmark, but blue 1c First Bureau stamps were only issued for a few years before the color was changed to Green per the UPU. There is no return address, but it seems a stretch that this cover was mailed locally.

Any ideas why 1c is the correct rate for the original use and the turned use?

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08 Oct 2014
11:46:33pm
re: Help with rate, please

your assumption about a third class rate is correct. It existed until the 30s as 1c, then upped to 1.5c. The rules for third class were MUCH looser then than they are now.

for a guy as cheap as me, I can see no reason not to turn a cover

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08 Oct 2014
11:58:24pm
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I don't see any annotation on the cover. Was the POD supposed to figure out the class of service based on the postage or did the sender have to deliver it to the PO for 3rd class delivery? I'm confused.

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09 Oct 2014
04:38:09am
re: Help with rate, please

Lars, don't know how third class were delivered into the hands of USPOD. Never thought of that. The rate would have been well-known, in part because it was used with great frequency even at the personal, single-cover uses. The rate was weight-based, with a higher weight base than first class. Tony is downstairs and I don't have time to consult him this AM.

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APS #220693 ATA#57179
08 Oct 2014
10:42:21pm

I have a turned cover that began life as a U296 with a preprinted business address in Chicago. U296 is a 1c envelope issued 1887-94. The letter is postmarked Chicago and addressed to Fonda, Iowa - about 400 miles away. Was there a 3rd class rate that may have applied?

The cover was turned and addressed to Milwaukee, Wisconsin. It's franked with a 1c stamp that is 247 (1894) or 264 (1895). There is no visible date in the postmark, but blue 1c First Bureau stamps were only issued for a few years before the color was changed to Green per the UPU. There is no return address, but it seems a stretch that this cover was mailed locally.

Any ideas why 1c is the correct rate for the original use and the turned use?

Lars

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08 Oct 2014
11:46:33pm

re: Help with rate, please

your assumption about a third class rate is correct. It existed until the 30s as 1c, then upped to 1.5c. The rules for third class were MUCH looser then than they are now.

for a guy as cheap as me, I can see no reason not to turn a cover

David

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larsdog

APS #220693 ATA#57179
08 Oct 2014
11:58:24pm

re: Help with rate, please

I don't see any annotation on the cover. Was the POD supposed to figure out the class of service based on the postage or did the sender have to deliver it to the PO for 3rd class delivery? I'm confused.

Lars

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09 Oct 2014
04:38:09am

re: Help with rate, please

Lars, don't know how third class were delivered into the hands of USPOD. Never thought of that. The rate would have been well-known, in part because it was used with great frequency even at the personal, single-cover uses. The rate was weight-based, with a higher weight base than first class. Tony is downstairs and I don't have time to consult him this AM.

David

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