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Asia/Other : my first Japanese occupation of Netherlands Indies stamps !

 

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06 Mar 2015
05:19:56pm

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Image Not FoundThese are my first two occupation overprints ...i have nothing to reference the values which run from $1.99 each on the internet like these two, to $$$$ for scarcer overprints ! So i will look for the less expensive to start !

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06 Mar 2015
05:56:05pm
re: my first Japanese occupation of Netherlands Indies stamps !

Stanley Gibbons Stamps of the World (1992) - the simplest catalogue - lists these stamps under separate headings: the brown is 'Japanese Naval Control Area', issued in 1942, and the purple is 'Sumatra', issued in 1944. Used stamps are valued more highly, as you might expect.

I doubt if a 20-year-old catalogue value in pounds sterling is conveniently convertible to US dollars today, but your stamps were listed at £1.10 and 50p respectively back then. The other stamps in what look like long sets varied quite wildly. If prices have stayed proportionate, paying roughly what you did for these two should get you maybe ten more Sumatran and a dozen anchor overprints. But it all depends on how easy they are to find!

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06 Mar 2015
06:14:58pm

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re: my first Japanese occupation of Netherlands Indies stamps !

the mint are easier to find..i do not think there are too many made up packets of them around !

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06 Mar 2015
08:44:26pm
re: my first Japanese occupation of Netherlands Indies stamps !

Phil:

When you come to Ottawa this Spring, we'll go over a;; my literature for this... and show you the ones I have.

David

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06 Mar 2015
10:56:38pm
re: my first Japanese occupation of Netherlands Indies stamps !

Phil, in regard to a reference for the overprints of the "Greater East Asia Co-prosperity Sphere" used in Indonesia and Malaya, particularly what was up to then known as the Netherlands East Indies you need to beg, borrow or steal a copy of Volume 19 of the Billigs Philatelic handbook. That volume was printed in 1953 and contained an English translation of;
Dai Nippon in South East Asia Handbook,
(Japanese Occupations Stamps and Postmarks
of
Netherlands Indies, Malaya, Borneo, Brunei, Sarawak,Labuan Etc.)

by
N.H.Hedeman and R. Boekema.
It was assembled and published in Dutch between 1946 and '48 and translated into the King's English by December 1948. The Billigs contains almost 200 pages of "Fun Facts," enough data, photos, prints of the overprints and other marks relating to the Dutch Indies Occupation overprints to keep you busy for some time.
I dug out my copy and casually glanced at a few pages and I'm hooked. It may take me a week to read the entire volume, but once I started it jumped to the top of my list.
Charlie
Lecanto, Florida

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07 Mar 2015
04:04:20am
re: my first Japanese occupation of Netherlands Indies stamps !

Hi philb,

The first stamp is SG 91 priced at £4.75 used in SG Part 4 (2010).

The second stamp is SG 43B priced at £2.00 used in the same catalogue.

So they're both around four times their prices in Guthrum's catalogue.

The Naval Control Area overprints were made in in each district and SG just lists prices for the commmonest versions which are from Macassar.

Your overprint looks a little different from the one in the catalogue so you may need Charlie's Fun Facts to pin it down further.Happy




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07 Mar 2015
09:21:27am

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Thanks Charlie and Nigel, its an interesting area to be sure !!!

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07 Mar 2015
10:31:26am

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Amazon actually has a copy of Billigs handbook volume 19..40 bucks..i am going to review it !!

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06 Mar 2015
05:19:56pm

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Image Not FoundThese are my first two occupation overprints ...i have nothing to reference the values which run from $1.99 each on the internet like these two, to $$$$ for scarcer overprints ! So i will look for the less expensive to start !

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06 Mar 2015
05:56:05pm

re: my first Japanese occupation of Netherlands Indies stamps !

Stanley Gibbons Stamps of the World (1992) - the simplest catalogue - lists these stamps under separate headings: the brown is 'Japanese Naval Control Area', issued in 1942, and the purple is 'Sumatra', issued in 1944. Used stamps are valued more highly, as you might expect.

I doubt if a 20-year-old catalogue value in pounds sterling is conveniently convertible to US dollars today, but your stamps were listed at £1.10 and 50p respectively back then. The other stamps in what look like long sets varied quite wildly. If prices have stayed proportionate, paying roughly what you did for these two should get you maybe ten more Sumatran and a dozen anchor overprints. But it all depends on how easy they are to find!

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06 Mar 2015
06:14:58pm

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re: my first Japanese occupation of Netherlands Indies stamps !

the mint are easier to find..i do not think there are too many made up packets of them around !

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06 Mar 2015
08:44:26pm

re: my first Japanese occupation of Netherlands Indies stamps !

Phil:

When you come to Ottawa this Spring, we'll go over a;; my literature for this... and show you the ones I have.

David

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06 Mar 2015
10:56:38pm

re: my first Japanese occupation of Netherlands Indies stamps !

Phil, in regard to a reference for the overprints of the "Greater East Asia Co-prosperity Sphere" used in Indonesia and Malaya, particularly what was up to then known as the Netherlands East Indies you need to beg, borrow or steal a copy of Volume 19 of the Billigs Philatelic handbook. That volume was printed in 1953 and contained an English translation of;
Dai Nippon in South East Asia Handbook,
(Japanese Occupations Stamps and Postmarks
of
Netherlands Indies, Malaya, Borneo, Brunei, Sarawak,Labuan Etc.)

by
N.H.Hedeman and R. Boekema.
It was assembled and published in Dutch between 1946 and '48 and translated into the King's English by December 1948. The Billigs contains almost 200 pages of "Fun Facts," enough data, photos, prints of the overprints and other marks relating to the Dutch Indies Occupation overprints to keep you busy for some time.
I dug out my copy and casually glanced at a few pages and I'm hooked. It may take me a week to read the entire volume, but once I started it jumped to the top of my list.
Charlie
Lecanto, Florida

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07 Mar 2015
04:04:20am

re: my first Japanese occupation of Netherlands Indies stamps !

Hi philb,

The first stamp is SG 91 priced at £4.75 used in SG Part 4 (2010).

The second stamp is SG 43B priced at £2.00 used in the same catalogue.

So they're both around four times their prices in Guthrum's catalogue.

The Naval Control Area overprints were made in in each district and SG just lists prices for the commmonest versions which are from Macassar.

Your overprint looks a little different from the one in the catalogue so you may need Charlie's Fun Facts to pin it down further.Happy




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07 Mar 2015
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re: my first Japanese occupation of Netherlands Indies stamps !

Thanks Charlie and Nigel, its an interesting area to be sure !!!

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07 Mar 2015
10:31:26am

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re: my first Japanese occupation of Netherlands Indies stamps !

Amazon actually has a copy of Billigs handbook volume 19..40 bucks..i am going to review it !!

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