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General Philatelic/Supplies, Literature & Software : Black Creek Village

 

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hamilton

24 Apr 2015
12:21:59am
Does anyone know of a listing for first day covers issued by Black Creek Village. The cachet for all the issues I have seen for sale are the same.
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2010ccg

24 Apr 2015
07:35:58am
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I collect pictorial cancels so this would interest me as well......

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24 Apr 2015
09:11:09am

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i'm confused. is BCV a FDC cachet maker? or a place? can I see a pix or get more information. How does pictorial cancels and cachets relate in this case. Not arguing, I just want to know.

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2010ccg

24 Apr 2015
09:48:37am
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Usually first day covers have a pictorial cancellation.....

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2010ccg

24 Apr 2015
10:32:13am
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If someone finds an address please message me...as I would like one as well

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24 Apr 2015
11:40:04am
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Black Creek Village is a pioneer era village re-creation/museum in Toronto.

Here are examples of some of the the covers (these can frequently be found in the BuckaCover inventory):

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24 Apr 2015
01:41:06pm

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it all becomes clear; thanks Roy

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nl1947

24 Apr 2015
03:26:15pm
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So - considering they are postmarked on different dates (some as far back as 1968), are they FDC's?

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24 Apr 2015
03:44:19pm
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Not sure what the "they" is that you are referring to- the ones you saw elsewhere or the ones I posted above.

If the covers are cancelled on the day of issue of the stamp, yes, they are FDCs. The ones pictured here are FDCs.

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nl1947

24 Apr 2015
05:21:45pm
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I wondered because some on Kajiji have different dates on the same covers
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24 Apr 2015
06:40:46pm
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The covers all look the same, at least I have only ever seen the one cachet that they used for all issues. The Bourassa issue that you show is dated on the first day of issue of the stamp, so it's an FDC.

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hamilton

24 Apr 2015
06:51:28pm
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The issues are normally first day cancellations in connection with the stamp that is affixed. Roy were they legal mailing envelopes and have you seen any that went through the mail system?

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24 Apr 2015
08:15:22pm
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"Usually first day covers have a pictorial cancellation....."



Only since 1974. The first pictorial cancellation was used by Canada Post on the "Indians of the Pacific Coast" issue of Feb. 22, 1974.

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Prior to this, the "official Ottawa First Day cancellation" provided by the Philatelic Agency was the "First Day of Issue" slogan cancel with date slug. There was no identification of the stamp issue in those cancels. That was the case from 1949 to the issue "Indians of the Pacific Artifacts" of Jan 16, 1974:

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Prior to the "Newfoundland joins Confederation issue" of April 1, 1949, there was no "official" first Day cancellation (I stand to be corrected on this statement -- that's the earliest issue I can find).

"were they legal mailing envelopes and have you seen any that went through the mail system?"



Black Creek Village has a post office. The examples shown are "hand back" covers. I am sure that they would have sent them out in the outgoing mail with an address if the collector had so desired. There is no "legality" involved. I can't say I have seen any such genuine use, but then I would not have noticed such a cover -- it would have stayed in one of my "junk boxes", as "generic cachets" (i.e. same cachet for all issues) are not terribly popular, and a hand written address would be a negative on a cover of this vintage -- two strikes and it stays in the junk box.

Roy

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2010ccg

24 Apr 2015
08:32:02pm
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Thankyou Roy...1974 was the beginning of pictorial cancels on FDC Good to know .I have many covers but never knew when the actual change to pictorial cancels occurred....
Cheryl

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hamilton

24 Apr 2015
12:21:59am

Does anyone know of a listing for first day covers issued by Black Creek Village. The cachet for all the issues I have seen for sale are the same.

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2010ccg

24 Apr 2015
07:35:58am

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I collect pictorial cancels so this would interest me as well......

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24 Apr 2015
09:11:09am

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re: Black Creek Village

i'm confused. is BCV a FDC cachet maker? or a place? can I see a pix or get more information. How does pictorial cancels and cachets relate in this case. Not arguing, I just want to know.

David

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2010ccg

24 Apr 2015
09:48:37am

re: Black Creek Village

Usually first day covers have a pictorial cancellation.....

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2010ccg

24 Apr 2015
10:32:13am

re: Black Creek Village

If someone finds an address please message me...as I would like one as well

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24 Apr 2015
11:40:04am

re: Black Creek Village

Black Creek Village is a pioneer era village re-creation/museum in Toronto.

Here are examples of some of the the covers (these can frequently be found in the BuckaCover inventory):

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Roy

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"Over 7,000 new covers coming Wednesday March 20. See my homepage for details."

www.Buckacover.com
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24 Apr 2015
01:41:06pm

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re: Black Creek Village

it all becomes clear; thanks Roy

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"Save the USPS, buy stamps; save the hobby, use commemoratives"

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nl1947

24 Apr 2015
03:26:15pm

re: Black Creek Village

So - considering they are postmarked on different dates (some as far back as 1968), are they FDC's?

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24 Apr 2015
03:44:19pm

re: Black Creek Village

Not sure what the "they" is that you are referring to- the ones you saw elsewhere or the ones I posted above.

If the covers are cancelled on the day of issue of the stamp, yes, they are FDCs. The ones pictured here are FDCs.

Roy

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"Over 7,000 new covers coming Wednesday March 20. See my homepage for details."

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nl1947

24 Apr 2015
05:21:45pm

re: Black Creek Village

I wondered because some on Kajiji have different dates on the same covers
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24 Apr 2015
06:40:46pm

re: Black Creek Village

The covers all look the same, at least I have only ever seen the one cachet that they used for all issues. The Bourassa issue that you show is dated on the first day of issue of the stamp, so it's an FDC.

Roy

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"Over 7,000 new covers coming Wednesday March 20. See my homepage for details."

www.Buckacover.com
hamilton

24 Apr 2015
06:51:28pm

re: Black Creek Village

The issues are normally first day cancellations in connection with the stamp that is affixed. Roy were they legal mailing envelopes and have you seen any that went through the mail system?

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BuckaCover.com - 80,000 covers priced 60c to $1.50 - Easy browsing 500 categories
24 Apr 2015
08:15:22pm

re: Black Creek Village

"Usually first day covers have a pictorial cancellation....."



Only since 1974. The first pictorial cancellation was used by Canada Post on the "Indians of the Pacific Coast" issue of Feb. 22, 1974.

Image Not Found

Prior to this, the "official Ottawa First Day cancellation" provided by the Philatelic Agency was the "First Day of Issue" slogan cancel with date slug. There was no identification of the stamp issue in those cancels. That was the case from 1949 to the issue "Indians of the Pacific Artifacts" of Jan 16, 1974:

Image Not Found

Prior to the "Newfoundland joins Confederation issue" of April 1, 1949, there was no "official" first Day cancellation (I stand to be corrected on this statement -- that's the earliest issue I can find).

"were they legal mailing envelopes and have you seen any that went through the mail system?"



Black Creek Village has a post office. The examples shown are "hand back" covers. I am sure that they would have sent them out in the outgoing mail with an address if the collector had so desired. There is no "legality" involved. I can't say I have seen any such genuine use, but then I would not have noticed such a cover -- it would have stayed in one of my "junk boxes", as "generic cachets" (i.e. same cachet for all issues) are not terribly popular, and a hand written address would be a negative on a cover of this vintage -- two strikes and it stays in the junk box.

Roy

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"Over 7,000 new covers coming Wednesday March 20. See my homepage for details."

www.Buckacover.com
2010ccg

24 Apr 2015
08:32:02pm

re: Black Creek Village

Thankyou Roy...1974 was the beginning of pictorial cancels on FDC Good to know .I have many covers but never knew when the actual change to pictorial cancels occurred....
Cheryl

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