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Does anyone here actively collect these issues? I find myself developing an interest in them... one that started as a result of my topical collections of space and JFK. If you have a box or two of these you want to get rid of, please e-mail or message me.
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05:20:22am
" ...I find myself developing an interest in them ..."
Then you should collect them, it is a hobby after all. People collect barbed wire strands as well.
Please do not be offended by the frequently derisive sobriquets employed, such as Jam Jar Labels" which I use often. When I get home I'll send you whatever I have lying about if you will remind me, but as I am travelling that might be several months hence, and my memory lapses are annoying me, at least the parts that I can recall.
The reason that they are not usually appreciated by many stampers is that most were never even physically present in the supposed nation of issue and quite often the subject chosen has virtually no connection with the sheikdom involved, So unless the subject is striking as an artwork I tend to dump them in a box. But the fact that I save them betrays my disdain, as there must be some reason I can't just toss them in the dust bin with last weeks bills. So, good luck with your collection and I hope you develop something very interesting.
Charlie
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"Does anyone here actively collect these issues? "
I do. Though they're just a sidetrack of my worldwide collection, they're one of those things (besides Hungary, Mongolia, North Korea and forgeries) that I put a bit more weight/focus.
And true, these are far more 'difficult' than one would assume. Going past the 30-40% completion (on simplified) level is going to take lots of time and effort. You can't just walk into a stamp store/shop with a wanlist and buy what you'd like. You'll genuinely have to hunt the stamps down one by one.
Then there are varieties (such as different sheet formats) that are not in the catalogs. Having a copy of Michel Naher Osten / Gulf States catalog is pretty much a MUST if trying to collect these in organized manner.
And then there are forgeries and reprints (quite plenty for some issues).
And if you're into postal history, covers from this era are deadly expensive (whether philatelic or not).
And...
All in all it's an fabulous area to collect.
-k-
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"Having a copy of Michel Naher Osten / Gulf States catalog is pretty much a MUST if trying to collect these in organized manner."
Yes. I have that Michel catalog... basically stole it at a stamp show a few years back. It greatly helps and also helped sustain my interest as I can now at least put a date on the issues and know what I don't have! They're basically fun. Can you imagine those the UAE or any other Middle or Near Eastern country printing stamps with some of the themes printed then in today's geopolitical reality??
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Thanks, cdj1122!
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Here is a link to previous discussions on Trucial States stamps:
http://stamporama.com/discboard/disc_main.php?action=20&id=7814#51387
rrr...
(Modified by Moderator on 2015-09-27 04:45:26)
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Pathman:
When I was a ten-year old collector in the mid-1970s, nobody wanted these stamps.
Forty years later, lots of demand for these stamps. Mostly from the topical collectors.
Collect what you enjoy. Collector preferences change over time. Little demand for Princess Diana stamps now, but there was before.
Enjoy your hobby.... I do.
David Giles
Ottawa, Ont. Canada
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A good dealer in my area ( NE Ohio ) acquired a really large well organized collection last year. I was surprised by the size and scope. But the big surprise was the catalog values !
Enjoy the hunt as I think the idea of this thread that it will be pretty tough to get a good collection is correct.
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David, I have to disagree with you regarding no one wanting the Sand Dune stamps. In the late 1970s, I was running a stamp business in upstate New York. My partner and I did local stamp shows, and even did one way up in Northern New York. Those stamps were a guaranteed sell out. Minkus had a catalog for these stamps that was issued during this time, and we could never keep the catalog in stock.
I do think, however, that interest waned on those stamps after the emirates merged. The continuing issuance of stamps from the former dunes (mostly unauthorized) I view as the reason. Interest rose again in the 1990s, when one Sheikh sent buyers out to buy these stamps for him. There is some interest in the USA, but nothing like it used to be. I think most of the interest will be found now in Europe.
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02:41:43pm
Up to about the time we moved from Long Island, NY the Minkus stamp counter in Gimbals basement was a key stop when ever I got loose in the city, and not only did they carry the Sand Dunes in the Catalog, but they had brisk sales of them on display on their counter until the mid-'80s.
Those weren't the only stamps they sold, but you had to ask to get stock books brought out to look through.
Macys had a stamp counter but is was small stuff compared to Minkus across the street.
The worst thing about that was my wife and her companions would leave me there in the basement while they spent a fortune in the floors above.
The longer they took the more I bought and then when the collecting was over we'd find a restaurant and as she bragged about how much she had "saved" I'd discover how much the adventure really cost.
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26 Sep 2015
02:01:56am
For years these issues have been derisively referred to as "sand dunes", junk, etc. and ignored or even discarded by most stamp collectors. Many approval and mixture advertisements proudly proclaim "no sand dunes" among other "no's" such as Iron Curtain countries during the 60s and 70s. As a result I believe these issues are scarcer than many believe today... they are probably "lost" within boxes of material that will be gone through when we "get around to it".
Does anyone here actively collect these issues? I find myself developing an interest in them... one that started as a result of my topical collections of space and JFK. If you have a box or two of these you want to get rid of, please e-mail or message me.
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Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
26 Sep 2015
05:20:22am
re: Trucial States
" ...I find myself developing an interest in them ..."
Then you should collect them, it is a hobby after all. People collect barbed wire strands as well.
Please do not be offended by the frequently derisive sobriquets employed, such as Jam Jar Labels" which I use often. When I get home I'll send you whatever I have lying about if you will remind me, but as I am travelling that might be several months hence, and my memory lapses are annoying me, at least the parts that I can recall.
The reason that they are not usually appreciated by many stampers is that most were never even physically present in the supposed nation of issue and quite often the subject chosen has virtually no connection with the sheikdom involved, So unless the subject is striking as an artwork I tend to dump them in a box. But the fact that I save them betrays my disdain, as there must be some reason I can't just toss them in the dust bin with last weeks bills. So, good luck with your collection and I hope you develop something very interesting.
Charlie
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re: Trucial States
"Does anyone here actively collect these issues? "
I do. Though they're just a sidetrack of my worldwide collection, they're one of those things (besides Hungary, Mongolia, North Korea and forgeries) that I put a bit more weight/focus.
And true, these are far more 'difficult' than one would assume. Going past the 30-40% completion (on simplified) level is going to take lots of time and effort. You can't just walk into a stamp store/shop with a wanlist and buy what you'd like. You'll genuinely have to hunt the stamps down one by one.
Then there are varieties (such as different sheet formats) that are not in the catalogs. Having a copy of Michel Naher Osten / Gulf States catalog is pretty much a MUST if trying to collect these in organized manner.
And then there are forgeries and reprints (quite plenty for some issues).
And if you're into postal history, covers from this era are deadly expensive (whether philatelic or not).
And...
All in all it's an fabulous area to collect.
-k-
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26 Sep 2015
04:03:35pm
re: Trucial States
"Having a copy of Michel Naher Osten / Gulf States catalog is pretty much a MUST if trying to collect these in organized manner."
Yes. I have that Michel catalog... basically stole it at a stamp show a few years back. It greatly helps and also helped sustain my interest as I can now at least put a date on the issues and know what I don't have! They're basically fun. Can you imagine those the UAE or any other Middle or Near Eastern country printing stamps with some of the themes printed then in today's geopolitical reality??
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26 Sep 2015
04:05:38pm
re: Trucial States
Thanks, cdj1122!
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re: Trucial States
Here is a link to previous discussions on Trucial States stamps:
http://stamporama.com/discboard/disc_main.php?action=20&id=7814#51387
rrr...
(Modified by Moderator on 2015-09-27 04:45:26)
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Pathman:
When I was a ten-year old collector in the mid-1970s, nobody wanted these stamps.
Forty years later, lots of demand for these stamps. Mostly from the topical collectors.
Collect what you enjoy. Collector preferences change over time. Little demand for Princess Diana stamps now, but there was before.
Enjoy your hobby.... I do.
David Giles
Ottawa, Ont. Canada
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07:54:42pm
re: Trucial States
A good dealer in my area ( NE Ohio ) acquired a really large well organized collection last year. I was surprised by the size and scope. But the big surprise was the catalog values !
Enjoy the hunt as I think the idea of this thread that it will be pretty tough to get a good collection is correct.
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12:34:04pm
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David, I have to disagree with you regarding no one wanting the Sand Dune stamps. In the late 1970s, I was running a stamp business in upstate New York. My partner and I did local stamp shows, and even did one way up in Northern New York. Those stamps were a guaranteed sell out. Minkus had a catalog for these stamps that was issued during this time, and we could never keep the catalog in stock.
I do think, however, that interest waned on those stamps after the emirates merged. The continuing issuance of stamps from the former dunes (mostly unauthorized) I view as the reason. Interest rose again in the 1990s, when one Sheikh sent buyers out to buy these stamps for him. There is some interest in the USA, but nothing like it used to be. I think most of the interest will be found now in Europe.
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Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
28 Sep 2015
02:41:43pm
re: Trucial States
Up to about the time we moved from Long Island, NY the Minkus stamp counter in Gimbals basement was a key stop when ever I got loose in the city, and not only did they carry the Sand Dunes in the Catalog, but they had brisk sales of them on display on their counter until the mid-'80s.
Those weren't the only stamps they sold, but you had to ask to get stock books brought out to look through.
Macys had a stamp counter but is was small stuff compared to Minkus across the street.
The worst thing about that was my wife and her companions would leave me there in the basement while they spent a fortune in the floors above.
The longer they took the more I bought and then when the collecting was over we'd find a restaurant and as she bragged about how much she had "saved" I'd discover how much the adventure really cost.
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