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Linus
Here is a scan of the back:
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That is one busy little postcard.
Q/ 1923? I do not see an address. Could the card have been used for some other purpose?
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The rectangular rubber hand-stamp to the right of "de destination:" contains the Russian word "6AHK" which translates to "BANK." Perhaps this is some sort of bank receipt, because there appears to be amounts of money written on the other side of the card. There does seem to be an address underneath this hand-stamp. Perhaps this postcard was sent to a Russian bank and they rubber hand-stamped it upon receipt? Just a guess.
Linus
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Although the card was apparently posted in 1923, it was almost certainly printed in the Tsarist era. At that time French was as much the language of correspondence in Russia as Russian. See, for example, http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G2-3404100459.html
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Interesting article on your link, Guthrum. The largest French banks made loans to or invested in Russian companies during this time period. The card has a printed date of 1917 on the front bottom right corner. Since this card was sent registered by the sender, it must have been important that it reached its destination.
Linus
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This old POW card has been converted into a bank transfer / notification of receipt card. You can read a short article about these cards and their rates at an older issue of the Rossica Journal here:
http://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00020235/00055/69j
The cards were mailed from the State Bank in Moscow to the recipient of the money transfer, the money transferred to him/her (in this case the ruble equivalent of 20 US dollars) and the card was returned registered to the bank in Moscow. The postal rate for the entire 2-way trip was the registered letter, one-way rate. At this point in the inflationary period, this rate was 8 rubles, paid here with four 200R/15k overprinted stamps (800 rubles in 1922 currency = 8 rubles in 1923 currency). This rate lasted from June 10th to July 5th, 1923.
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Vasias -
I thank you for your kind reply and for sharing your knowledge! I have a Russian registered money transfer card for sure. This caused me to have a look at the other pieces of Russian postal history in my collection. I actually had another one, mailed a little over a month later, August 15, 1923, with 12 Rubles of postage applied. Using your calculating method, 200 Rubles in 1922 currency = 2 Rubles in 1923 currency + 10 Rubles = 12 Rubles, the registered letter one-way rate paying the entire 2-way trip.
Amazing what you can find out on Stamporama, the people make this site great!
Thanks again,
Linus
Here is the other one I have:
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Linus,
you are correct in your calculation on the franking of your second card: 12 rubles, the applicable registered letter rate July 5th to August 20th, 1923.
Regarding your first card, another interesting (and quite desirable) feature is that it was posted to and from Krivoy Yar (Brunnental in its German name), a town (Lutheran colony) in the Volga German area. At this point in time there existed a Volga German Oblast in the area - there is a reference to it in the handwritten address on the back of the card. In 1924 greater autonomy was granted to the area and an Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic of the Volga Germans was established.
Both the Oblast and the Autonomous Republic used postmarks with their status - however, in the case of your card the old Imperial postmark of Krivoy Yar was still in use.
More information on the posts of the Volga German area here:
http://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00076781/00053/72?search=post-rider
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And here is a map of the Volga German area:
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This old postcard from Russia has "Pour les prisonniers de guerre" on the front in French which translates to "For the prisoners of war." But this line is crossed out, so I am not sure what this card is all about. Anyone have any ideas? Thank you.
Linus
Here is a scan of the back:
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re: Russia Postcard --- Money Transfer Cards
That is one busy little postcard.
Q/ 1923? I do not see an address. Could the card have been used for some other purpose?
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re: Russia Postcard --- Money Transfer Cards
The rectangular rubber hand-stamp to the right of "de destination:" contains the Russian word "6AHK" which translates to "BANK." Perhaps this is some sort of bank receipt, because there appears to be amounts of money written on the other side of the card. There does seem to be an address underneath this hand-stamp. Perhaps this postcard was sent to a Russian bank and they rubber hand-stamped it upon receipt? Just a guess.
Linus
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re: Russia Postcard --- Money Transfer Cards
Although the card was apparently posted in 1923, it was almost certainly printed in the Tsarist era. At that time French was as much the language of correspondence in Russia as Russian. See, for example, http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G2-3404100459.html
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re: Russia Postcard --- Money Transfer Cards
Interesting article on your link, Guthrum. The largest French banks made loans to or invested in Russian companies during this time period. The card has a printed date of 1917 on the front bottom right corner. Since this card was sent registered by the sender, it must have been important that it reached its destination.
Linus
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re: Russia Postcard --- Money Transfer Cards
This old POW card has been converted into a bank transfer / notification of receipt card. You can read a short article about these cards and their rates at an older issue of the Rossica Journal here:
http://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00020235/00055/69j
The cards were mailed from the State Bank in Moscow to the recipient of the money transfer, the money transferred to him/her (in this case the ruble equivalent of 20 US dollars) and the card was returned registered to the bank in Moscow. The postal rate for the entire 2-way trip was the registered letter, one-way rate. At this point in the inflationary period, this rate was 8 rubles, paid here with four 200R/15k overprinted stamps (800 rubles in 1922 currency = 8 rubles in 1923 currency). This rate lasted from June 10th to July 5th, 1923.
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re: Russia Postcard --- Money Transfer Cards
Vasias -
I thank you for your kind reply and for sharing your knowledge! I have a Russian registered money transfer card for sure. This caused me to have a look at the other pieces of Russian postal history in my collection. I actually had another one, mailed a little over a month later, August 15, 1923, with 12 Rubles of postage applied. Using your calculating method, 200 Rubles in 1922 currency = 2 Rubles in 1923 currency + 10 Rubles = 12 Rubles, the registered letter one-way rate paying the entire 2-way trip.
Amazing what you can find out on Stamporama, the people make this site great!
Thanks again,
Linus
Here is the other one I have:
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re: Russia Postcard --- Money Transfer Cards
Linus,
you are correct in your calculation on the franking of your second card: 12 rubles, the applicable registered letter rate July 5th to August 20th, 1923.
Regarding your first card, another interesting (and quite desirable) feature is that it was posted to and from Krivoy Yar (Brunnental in its German name), a town (Lutheran colony) in the Volga German area. At this point in time there existed a Volga German Oblast in the area - there is a reference to it in the handwritten address on the back of the card. In 1924 greater autonomy was granted to the area and an Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic of the Volga Germans was established.
Both the Oblast and the Autonomous Republic used postmarks with their status - however, in the case of your card the old Imperial postmark of Krivoy Yar was still in use.
More information on the posts of the Volga German area here:
http://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00076781/00053/72?search=post-rider
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re: Russia Postcard --- Money Transfer Cards
And here is a map of the Volga German area:
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