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General Philatelic/Identify This? : confused.. scott 318 fakes ? edit :oops possible 314s?

 

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billmcq

26 Nov 2015
07:43:06pm
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from what i read on the internet these are possible 318s but there are not any used ones known to exist. by the looks of these stamps they are fakes but figured id post them here for you to see. aren't the 318 coil stamps? and the perforations seem to be all over the place .sorry no flatbed scanner yet. had to use my digital slr camera


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ok after more investigating they made full imperforated sheets and from what i understand manufacturers etc could cut them how they saw fit. is this correct? would make them scott 314
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michael78651

26 Nov 2015
11:55:24pm
re: confused.. scott 318 fakes ? edit :oops possible 314s?

These aren't coils, and I don't think anyone tried to fake them to look like coils. If someone did, then they need to get glasses as ti is a horrible attempt. More likely, someone, maybe several people, cut them too close when cutting them from the envelope prior to soaking, the stamps could have been cut from the original sheet and then used, etc..

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billmcq

27 Nov 2015
09:05:39pm
re: confused.. scott 318 fakes ? edit :oops possible 314s?

are they just space fillers or do they have any value? im not looking to make it rich in stamps but maybe a little extra to buy more Happy

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michael78651

27 Nov 2015
10:04:34pm
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Just space fillers, and not worth much of anything.

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28 Nov 2015
10:00:03am
re: confused.. scott 318 fakes ? edit :oops possible 314s?

Stamp value is 99.9% based on condition.

HOWEVER - there are times when rarity supersedes that;

case in point - the British Guiana stamp in the news as of late.

That stamp is, by no stretch of the imagination, in 'fine' condition, but its value is through the roofSurprise

So the moral here is (if you're looking for profit margin) keep lookin'!Big Grin

**I myself don't really care about value - I just keep what I like, junk or not!**

--more fun, less stress--





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Redneck75

29 Nov 2015
10:15:53pm
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Those are definetly not #318,#314#316 Junk #300 very poor examples Decimated stamps

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Tom in Exton, PA

30 Nov 2015
03:02:14pm
re: confused.. scott 318 fakes ? edit :oops possible 314s?

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As others have said, the stamps you have are just Scott 300 with straight edges cut close by someone in the past. I would just toss them since 300 in used condition is plentiful and near free.

Whenever I see someone mention fake 318 this is what I expect to see. Note that 318 would be a coil, with a straight edge at both top and bottom. Instead what we have here is a Covel private perforation coil, legitimately used on company stationary. This variety isn't Scott listed (at least in the last version of the Scott US Specialized catalog I've seen).

The company manager of Covel was Ernie Filstrip, a stamp collector of that era. He had Shermack produce his own variation of private perforations, and used these extensively on mailings. He also posted mail with different varieties stamps from the era, I've seen Washington / Franklin covers with three different coils on the same envelope. It seemed he did a lot of self addressed stamped envelopes out to customers since there are a lot of surviving covers addressed back to the company. I have an eBay search for "Covel" in US covers, which hits a few times a month. The 314 private perfs like my cover are quite rare and the last one I saw was over $500.

Within the past year, I bought a mint pair on eBay, marketed as a fake 318, complete with PSA certificate proclaiming this. I put it up against the pair on this cover (and others I own) and it matched exactly.


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25 May 2018
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any idea if this one is a fake or original????Image Not Found

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Tom in Exton, PA

25 May 2018
08:57:37am
re: confused.. scott 318 fakes ? edit :oops possible 314s?

This stamp is Scott 300 precancelled. It is damaged in the corners, still someone might want it for a precancel collection. Value, less than a buck.

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Here's a precancel used on cover. Large companies would purchase precancel stamps for their mail use for two reasons.. first to keep employees from stealing the stamps, and second to avoid the time it would take the post office to cancel the stamps.

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Here's a large block of precancels. Mint, never used.

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This is Scott 314, which was sold as an imperforate sheet to companies that were experimenting with privately perforating stamps for use in stamp affixing and vending equipment. Of course sheets got into collectors hands, so these stamps are plentiful today. Still, a plate block like this sells for over $200.

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Here's a couple of the private perforations done by Shermack company. Again, collectors have saved these as mint pairs. Very few of these actually saw legitimate commercial postal usage.

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and here's Scott 318. Very rare, never seen used. There may have been one roll created. You have about the same chance of finding one of these as finding an inverted Jenny!

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billmcq

26 Nov 2015
07:43:06pm

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from what i read on the internet these are possible 318s but there are not any used ones known to exist. by the looks of these stamps they are fakes but figured id post them here for you to see. aren't the 318 coil stamps? and the perforations seem to be all over the place .sorry no flatbed scanner yet. had to use my digital slr camera


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ok after more investigating they made full imperforated sheets and from what i understand manufacturers etc could cut them how they saw fit. is this correct? would make them scott 314
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michael78651

26 Nov 2015
11:55:24pm

re: confused.. scott 318 fakes ? edit :oops possible 314s?

These aren't coils, and I don't think anyone tried to fake them to look like coils. If someone did, then they need to get glasses as ti is a horrible attempt. More likely, someone, maybe several people, cut them too close when cutting them from the envelope prior to soaking, the stamps could have been cut from the original sheet and then used, etc..

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billmcq

27 Nov 2015
09:05:39pm

re: confused.. scott 318 fakes ? edit :oops possible 314s?

are they just space fillers or do they have any value? im not looking to make it rich in stamps but maybe a little extra to buy more Happy

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michael78651

27 Nov 2015
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re: confused.. scott 318 fakes ? edit :oops possible 314s?

Just space fillers, and not worth much of anything.

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28 Nov 2015
10:00:03am

re: confused.. scott 318 fakes ? edit :oops possible 314s?

Stamp value is 99.9% based on condition.

HOWEVER - there are times when rarity supersedes that;

case in point - the British Guiana stamp in the news as of late.

That stamp is, by no stretch of the imagination, in 'fine' condition, but its value is through the roofSurprise

So the moral here is (if you're looking for profit margin) keep lookin'!Big Grin

**I myself don't really care about value - I just keep what I like, junk or not!**

--more fun, less stress--





Randy

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Redneck75

29 Nov 2015
10:15:53pm

re: confused.. scott 318 fakes ? edit :oops possible 314s?

Those are definetly not #318,#314#316 Junk #300 very poor examples Decimated stamps

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Tom in Exton, PA
30 Nov 2015
03:02:14pm

re: confused.. scott 318 fakes ? edit :oops possible 314s?

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As others have said, the stamps you have are just Scott 300 with straight edges cut close by someone in the past. I would just toss them since 300 in used condition is plentiful and near free.

Whenever I see someone mention fake 318 this is what I expect to see. Note that 318 would be a coil, with a straight edge at both top and bottom. Instead what we have here is a Covel private perforation coil, legitimately used on company stationary. This variety isn't Scott listed (at least in the last version of the Scott US Specialized catalog I've seen).

The company manager of Covel was Ernie Filstrip, a stamp collector of that era. He had Shermack produce his own variation of private perforations, and used these extensively on mailings. He also posted mail with different varieties stamps from the era, I've seen Washington / Franklin covers with three different coils on the same envelope. It seemed he did a lot of self addressed stamped envelopes out to customers since there are a lot of surviving covers addressed back to the company. I have an eBay search for "Covel" in US covers, which hits a few times a month. The 314 private perfs like my cover are quite rare and the last one I saw was over $500.

Within the past year, I bought a mint pair on eBay, marketed as a fake 318, complete with PSA certificate proclaiming this. I put it up against the pair on this cover (and others I own) and it matched exactly.


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Takis1947

25 May 2018
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re: confused.. scott 318 fakes ? edit :oops possible 314s?

any idea if this one is a fake or original????Image Not Found

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Tom in Exton, PA
25 May 2018
08:57:37am

re: confused.. scott 318 fakes ? edit :oops possible 314s?

This stamp is Scott 300 precancelled. It is damaged in the corners, still someone might want it for a precancel collection. Value, less than a buck.

Image Not Found
Here's a precancel used on cover. Large companies would purchase precancel stamps for their mail use for two reasons.. first to keep employees from stealing the stamps, and second to avoid the time it would take the post office to cancel the stamps.

Image Not Found
Here's a large block of precancels. Mint, never used.

Image Not Found
This is Scott 314, which was sold as an imperforate sheet to companies that were experimenting with privately perforating stamps for use in stamp affixing and vending equipment. Of course sheets got into collectors hands, so these stamps are plentiful today. Still, a plate block like this sells for over $200.

Image Not FoundImage Not Found

Here's a couple of the private perforations done by Shermack company. Again, collectors have saved these as mint pairs. Very few of these actually saw legitimate commercial postal usage.

Image Not Found

and here's Scott 318. Very rare, never seen used. There may have been one roll created. You have about the same chance of finding one of these as finding an inverted Jenny!

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