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United States/BOB & Other : Silk Paper?

 

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27 Nov 2015
02:02:16pm
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The sharpness is not perfect in the photo... There appears to be a red fiber in the paper. The blue/black one at the edge is not a fiber in the paper but a mark of some kind on the paper.

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Thanks in advance!
Blair




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27 Nov 2015
04:37:17pm
re: Silk Paper?

Which stamp are we looking at here, Blair?











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27 Nov 2015
04:43:02pm
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If this were on silk paper, I would expect to see multiple threads and I am not seeing them in this example. I don't think it is the resolution, I just don't think this is an example of silk paper.

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27 Nov 2015
04:45:08pm
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I tend to agree, Jozep....

....still curious which revenue this is, though.







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27 Nov 2015
05:32:16pm
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R6 - 1st issue bank check

I think your right as I don't see any more either.

Thank you both for taking a look.

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27 Nov 2015
06:15:22pm
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"If this were on silk paper, I would expect to see multiple threads and I am not seeing them in this example."



Au contraire. The 1st issue silk papers are a completely different animal from the silk paper used in the 2nd and 3rd issue revenues. You frequently see examples with only a single thread. In fact, for some stamps the blue silk threads are so sparsely and/or unevenly mixed that only one stamp in a multiple will exhibit the telltale threads.

That is why you often see stamps with the right paper characteristics to be a silk paper but cannot be proven so due to the lack of silk threads.

Also, it is not JUST the presence or absence of silk threads, but also the right paper color and consistency. An image of the front of the stamp would be needed as well.

See my reference page on 1st issue silk papers here:

http://www.revenue-collector.com/1stissuesilkpapers.shtml

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27 Nov 2015
09:33:41pm
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Dan makes a few valid points,
but I would still say it is NOT silk paper based on the image presented.

This may or may not change upon seeing an image of the front.








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27 Nov 2015
09:41:23pm
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Oh, I agree. My points were that (1) frequency of blue threads is not a good indicator; all it takes is one thread in the presence of other positive indicators, and (2) an image of the front would be required to make a final assessment.

Sometimes threads are only visible on the face.

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28 Nov 2015
10:10:19am
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...and I agree with both points!

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28 Nov 2015
01:27:56pm
re: Silk Paper?

Thanks for all the information!

USRevenues, Your site is now bookmarked and I will be studying it to learn more about this area of the hobby. I have developed a big interest in US Revenue Stamps and have collected a large number already.

on deeper examination of the above stamp I am quite sure it is not silk paper as the paper doesn't have the right texture in comparison to the examples on your site.

Thanks again,
Blair

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27 Nov 2015
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The sharpness is not perfect in the photo... There appears to be a red fiber in the paper. The blue/black one at the edge is not a fiber in the paper but a mark of some kind on the paper.

Opinions?

Thanks in advance!
Blair




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27 Nov 2015
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re: Silk Paper?

Which stamp are we looking at here, Blair?











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27 Nov 2015
04:43:02pm

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If this were on silk paper, I would expect to see multiple threads and I am not seeing them in this example. I don't think it is the resolution, I just don't think this is an example of silk paper.

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27 Nov 2015
04:45:08pm

re: Silk Paper?

I tend to agree, Jozep....

....still curious which revenue this is, though.







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27 Nov 2015
05:32:16pm

re: Silk Paper?

R6 - 1st issue bank check

I think your right as I don't see any more either.

Thank you both for taking a look.

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27 Nov 2015
06:15:22pm

re: Silk Paper?

"If this were on silk paper, I would expect to see multiple threads and I am not seeing them in this example."



Au contraire. The 1st issue silk papers are a completely different animal from the silk paper used in the 2nd and 3rd issue revenues. You frequently see examples with only a single thread. In fact, for some stamps the blue silk threads are so sparsely and/or unevenly mixed that only one stamp in a multiple will exhibit the telltale threads.

That is why you often see stamps with the right paper characteristics to be a silk paper but cannot be proven so due to the lack of silk threads.

Also, it is not JUST the presence or absence of silk threads, but also the right paper color and consistency. An image of the front of the stamp would be needed as well.

See my reference page on 1st issue silk papers here:

http://www.revenue-collector.com/1stissuesilkpapers.shtml

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27 Nov 2015
09:33:41pm

re: Silk Paper?

Dan makes a few valid points,
but I would still say it is NOT silk paper based on the image presented.

This may or may not change upon seeing an image of the front.








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27 Nov 2015
09:41:23pm

re: Silk Paper?

Oh, I agree. My points were that (1) frequency of blue threads is not a good indicator; all it takes is one thread in the presence of other positive indicators, and (2) an image of the front would be required to make a final assessment.

Sometimes threads are only visible on the face.

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28 Nov 2015
10:10:19am

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...and I agree with both points!

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hblairh

28 Nov 2015
01:27:56pm

re: Silk Paper?

Thanks for all the information!

USRevenues, Your site is now bookmarked and I will be studying it to learn more about this area of the hobby. I have developed a big interest in US Revenue Stamps and have collected a large number already.

on deeper examination of the above stamp I am quite sure it is not silk paper as the paper doesn't have the right texture in comparison to the examples on your site.

Thanks again,
Blair

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