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Blair
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Blair,
Both look like Scott #26 - 3c dull red type III
value will be quite low due to damage as seen in your scan.
Randy
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Thanks Randy and yes I knew they were not worth much... got the covers from a dollar bin at the show today.
Didn't have a 26 in my collection yet... I guess I do now... even if they are SLIGHTLY flawed...
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Oh!
Well, that's different!
I didn't think about the fact that they were on covers.
Your images are cropped from their covers! I was (incorrectly!) assuming they were just 'on piece'
Being on cover means they MAY be 'valuable' pieces of postal history! Or just really cool covers to have and to look at!
(....and, I LOVE those dollar bins!)
Randy
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I don't see any perf on the top one so it maybe #10, the second one is #26 Don't bother putting them in your collection. They are very badly damaged! They are both common and can be had for a few dollars. Or message me your address and I'll send you a copy of each. I don't think it's a very good idea to get in the habit of putting badly damaged items in your collection. They just bring down the whole collection and when it's a stamp that only values for a couple dollar it really makes the collection look questionable. If that stamp cataloged for a thousand dollars I don't think I would put it in my album as a space filler, there that bad.
Just an honest tip, I think if you take it you will be happier with your collection
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Antonio,
You may just be right about the top one being a #10.
However, regarding the rest of your comment;
if you'll notice, these are on cover. So, the value is not in the stamp but the entire piece.
I initially made that mistake as well.
Randy
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Poor unwanted stamps... They'll have a home with me... perhaps not in my stamp collection but in my antique document collection... They are after all a piece of history
Thanks Antonius and thanks again Randy.
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Hi Blair,
How about showing both covers in their entirety?
Bruce
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Here you go Bruce. Sadly neither has the letter they once contained.
Blair
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Sorry, I missed the part of them being on cover. I thought she meant to soak them off the pieces and mount in her collection. I also did not mean to say #10 but #11. However taking a closer look it might be a #10 as it has pretty good line definition. Of course #10 is a much better stamp than #11 but it is one of the most frequently misidentified stamps for the U.S. If it is a #10 from a dollar bin then you got a deal all things considered.
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... I think I need to grow a beard...
lol I'm a He
but thanks Antonius!
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I agree Philb! I bought several of these early covers. Several are from the Civil War years. One is addressed to a patient in ward 28 of the Carver General Hospital in Washington, DC. Carver General was a hospital set up to handle wounded from Civil War battles.
On the back of the cover written very lightly in pencil is the return address:
Sergt John Hardy
2nd Mich. Inft.
Washington, DC
A little about John Hardy from:
http://seekingmichigan.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p4006coll3/id/833/rec/1
Portrait of Captain John C. Hardy, standing with saber, 1861-1865. (Veteran), Detroit. Enlisted in Company D, Second Infantry, April 20, 1861, at Adrian, for 3 years, age 19. Mustered May 25, 1861. Corporal July 25, 1861. Re-enlisted Feb. 25, 1861, at Detroit, Mich. Mustered Feb. 26, 1864. On duty with company K, Seventeenth Infantry, from Jan. 30, 1864 to April 9, 1864. Wounded in action at Wilderness, Va., May 6, 1864 (while the year date on the cover is not readable the day and month is June 20). First Sergeant. Discharged for promotion Oct. 16, 1864. Commissioned First Lieutenant, company B, Sept. 24, 1864. Mustered Oct. 17, 1864. Commissioned Captain, company D, April 25, 1865. Mustered April 27, 1865. Participated in the following engagements: Blackburn's Ford, Va., Bull Run, Va., Bailey's Cross Roads, Munson's Hill, Va., Siege of Yorktown, Va., Williamsburg, Va., Fair Oaks, Va., near Richmond, Va. June 18, 1862, White Oak Swamp, Va., Malvern Hill, Va., Second Bull Run, Va., Chantilly, Va., Fredericksburg, Va., Siege of Vicksburg, Miss., Siege of Jackson, Miss., Jackson, Miss., Blue Spring, Tenn., London, Tenn., Lenoir Station, Tenn., Campbell's Station, Tenn., Siege of Knoxville, Tenn., Charge on enemy's works in front of Knoxville, Tenn., Fort Saunders, Tenn., Thurley's Ford, Tenn., Strawberry Plains, Tenn., near Knoxville, Tenn., Jan. 22, 1864, Wilderness, Va., May 6, 1864 (where he was severely wounded), Night assault on Fort Steadman, Va., Capture of Petersburg, Va., Brevetted Captain, U.S. Volunteers, March 25, 1865, for conspicuous gallantry in attack on Fort Steadman. Mustered out at Delaney House, D.C., July 28, 1865 (Descriptive Roll Second Michigan Volunteers).
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That last cover opens a big door for speculation. Civil War era. Written by a sergeant from the 2nd Michigan Infantry to someone in the hospital. Could that have been a friend who was wounded in a battle. Oh for shame that the letter is no longer there!
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Thanks Michael and that's what I love about these paper items. they are a piece in a puzzle... I love finding more of the pieces to put them in context.
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that last cover is a beauty; based on Hardy's service, it looks to be 1864. Note that his unit is unclear, in that he re-enlisted with the 17th Michigan; and lists his unit (assuming that's him, and return addresses are very uncommon then) as 2nd Michigan. The 17th was an unusually inspiring and successful regiment.
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wow thanks I actually missed that part about him moving to the 17th... now I'm going to have to dig deeper...lol
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I wonder if in the future instead of using old paper correspondence for historical research, some historians might be mining internet archives for source "document" emails? Things have changed!
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hblairh, OOPs, sorry, somewhere along the line I got the wrong impression.
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Blair, yes, I think it was the Blair part, even though your no gurl, you are still welcome to a #26 and #11 if you need one. I have many of them and could come up with decent copies for you. I have a side collection of 11's, 26's and 65'in a stock book. I like the issues for cancels and shades, they are barely worth enough to bother with selling, so I just usually keep them. They are the cheapest of the earliest U.S. stamps which makes them the best for studying cancels. I would imagine that most mid-serious U.S. collectors have side collections of them. There are a lot of great fancy cancels to be found on them as well as nicely struck S.O.N C.D.S's
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I have trouble telling these apart could some of the experts here take a look and see if they can tell which ones these are?
Thanks in advance
Blair
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Blair,
Both look like Scott #26 - 3c dull red type III
value will be quite low due to damage as seen in your scan.
Randy
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Thanks Randy and yes I knew they were not worth much... got the covers from a dollar bin at the show today.
Didn't have a 26 in my collection yet... I guess I do now... even if they are SLIGHTLY flawed...
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Oh!
Well, that's different!
I didn't think about the fact that they were on covers.
Your images are cropped from their covers! I was (incorrectly!) assuming they were just 'on piece'
Being on cover means they MAY be 'valuable' pieces of postal history! Or just really cool covers to have and to look at!
(....and, I LOVE those dollar bins!)
Randy
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re: 3c washington help please
I don't see any perf on the top one so it maybe #10, the second one is #26 Don't bother putting them in your collection. They are very badly damaged! They are both common and can be had for a few dollars. Or message me your address and I'll send you a copy of each. I don't think it's a very good idea to get in the habit of putting badly damaged items in your collection. They just bring down the whole collection and when it's a stamp that only values for a couple dollar it really makes the collection look questionable. If that stamp cataloged for a thousand dollars I don't think I would put it in my album as a space filler, there that bad.
Just an honest tip, I think if you take it you will be happier with your collection
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Antonio,
You may just be right about the top one being a #10.
However, regarding the rest of your comment;
if you'll notice, these are on cover. So, the value is not in the stamp but the entire piece.
I initially made that mistake as well.
Randy
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Poor unwanted stamps... They'll have a home with me... perhaps not in my stamp collection but in my antique document collection... They are after all a piece of history
Thanks Antonius and thanks again Randy.
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10:13:51am
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Hi Blair,
How about showing both covers in their entirety?
Bruce
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Here you go Bruce. Sadly neither has the letter they once contained.
Blair
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Sorry, I missed the part of them being on cover. I thought she meant to soak them off the pieces and mount in her collection. I also did not mean to say #10 but #11. However taking a closer look it might be a #10 as it has pretty good line definition. Of course #10 is a much better stamp than #11 but it is one of the most frequently misidentified stamps for the U.S. If it is a #10 from a dollar bin then you got a deal all things considered.
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... I think I need to grow a beard...
lol I'm a He
but thanks Antonius!
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I agree Philb! I bought several of these early covers. Several are from the Civil War years. One is addressed to a patient in ward 28 of the Carver General Hospital in Washington, DC. Carver General was a hospital set up to handle wounded from Civil War battles.
On the back of the cover written very lightly in pencil is the return address:
Sergt John Hardy
2nd Mich. Inft.
Washington, DC
A little about John Hardy from:
http://seekingmichigan.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p4006coll3/id/833/rec/1
Portrait of Captain John C. Hardy, standing with saber, 1861-1865. (Veteran), Detroit. Enlisted in Company D, Second Infantry, April 20, 1861, at Adrian, for 3 years, age 19. Mustered May 25, 1861. Corporal July 25, 1861. Re-enlisted Feb. 25, 1861, at Detroit, Mich. Mustered Feb. 26, 1864. On duty with company K, Seventeenth Infantry, from Jan. 30, 1864 to April 9, 1864. Wounded in action at Wilderness, Va., May 6, 1864 (while the year date on the cover is not readable the day and month is June 20). First Sergeant. Discharged for promotion Oct. 16, 1864. Commissioned First Lieutenant, company B, Sept. 24, 1864. Mustered Oct. 17, 1864. Commissioned Captain, company D, April 25, 1865. Mustered April 27, 1865. Participated in the following engagements: Blackburn's Ford, Va., Bull Run, Va., Bailey's Cross Roads, Munson's Hill, Va., Siege of Yorktown, Va., Williamsburg, Va., Fair Oaks, Va., near Richmond, Va. June 18, 1862, White Oak Swamp, Va., Malvern Hill, Va., Second Bull Run, Va., Chantilly, Va., Fredericksburg, Va., Siege of Vicksburg, Miss., Siege of Jackson, Miss., Jackson, Miss., Blue Spring, Tenn., London, Tenn., Lenoir Station, Tenn., Campbell's Station, Tenn., Siege of Knoxville, Tenn., Charge on enemy's works in front of Knoxville, Tenn., Fort Saunders, Tenn., Thurley's Ford, Tenn., Strawberry Plains, Tenn., near Knoxville, Tenn., Jan. 22, 1864, Wilderness, Va., May 6, 1864 (where he was severely wounded), Night assault on Fort Steadman, Va., Capture of Petersburg, Va., Brevetted Captain, U.S. Volunteers, March 25, 1865, for conspicuous gallantry in attack on Fort Steadman. Mustered out at Delaney House, D.C., July 28, 1865 (Descriptive Roll Second Michigan Volunteers).
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That last cover opens a big door for speculation. Civil War era. Written by a sergeant from the 2nd Michigan Infantry to someone in the hospital. Could that have been a friend who was wounded in a battle. Oh for shame that the letter is no longer there!
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Thanks Michael and that's what I love about these paper items. they are a piece in a puzzle... I love finding more of the pieces to put them in context.
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that last cover is a beauty; based on Hardy's service, it looks to be 1864. Note that his unit is unclear, in that he re-enlisted with the 17th Michigan; and lists his unit (assuming that's him, and return addresses are very uncommon then) as 2nd Michigan. The 17th was an unusually inspiring and successful regiment.
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wow thanks I actually missed that part about him moving to the 17th... now I'm going to have to dig deeper...lol
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I wonder if in the future instead of using old paper correspondence for historical research, some historians might be mining internet archives for source "document" emails? Things have changed!
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hblairh, OOPs, sorry, somewhere along the line I got the wrong impression.
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Blair, yes, I think it was the Blair part, even though your no gurl, you are still welcome to a #26 and #11 if you need one. I have many of them and could come up with decent copies for you. I have a side collection of 11's, 26's and 65'in a stock book. I like the issues for cancels and shades, they are barely worth enough to bother with selling, so I just usually keep them. They are the cheapest of the earliest U.S. stamps which makes them the best for studying cancels. I would imagine that most mid-serious U.S. collectors have side collections of them. There are a lot of great fancy cancels to be found on them as well as nicely struck S.O.N C.D.S's
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