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rickben2
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12 Dec 2015
10:44:42am
Is there any collecting interest in Pearl Harbor covers postmarked as close to D-day as possible? Was there any time to postmark out going mail before the attach began on Dec. 7?
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Pogopossum

12 Dec 2015
12:19:00pm
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December 7th was a Sunday, so the Post Office was not open. I'm not sure about Military PO's, though.

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ikeyPikey
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05 Dec 2018
01:07:25pm
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Some 'main' post offices were open on Sundays, so Sunday postmarks exist.

In fact, in answer to the OP's question:

https://postalmuseum.si.edu/deliveringhope/exhibition_p4.html

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05 Dec 2018
11:12:24pm
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ikeyPikey - Thank you very much, sir, for posting the link above! I was not aware of that cover or the story behind it. Perry, Iowa is a small town just down the road from my house. Years ago, I stopped at an antiques store in downtown Perry and found the postcard scanned below. The card was written by Tommy Jitchaku, a medic in the 442nd Infantry, from Lecco, Italy to Perry, Iowa I have posted this card in other threads on Stamporama before. Tommy was from Hawaii, and I have always wondered how a soldier from Hawaii could know a family in Perry, Iowa? I think the National Postal Museum article you just linked me to has the answer. Private John R. Rion was a barber from Perry, Iowa serving in Hawaii. Quoting the article, "Life in paradise suited Rion, who spent his days cutting hair, trimming mustaches and beards, and shaving his fellow servicemen." In those days, the local barber knew everybody. Private Rion, cutting hair in Hawaii while his partner cut hair in small town Perry, Iowa, could very easily have linked up soldiers to families in Iowa supporting the war effort. The two barbers and the barbershop were the connection. It has to be!


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ikeyPikey
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05 Dec 2018
11:26:08pm
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Magicians (and Jedi Masters) are not supposed to reveal their tricks, but I googled postmarked December 7 1941 and that was the first search result Party

That the cover complements something in your collection is just terrific!

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey

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08 Dec 2018
10:53:43am
re: Pearl harbor covers

Here's my entry, from another Discussion topic:

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It's a clipper cover mailed from the USS Maryland, dated Sunday, November 30, 1941, a week before the Pearl Harbor attack. The image of the Boeing 314 is an actual photograph. The map is printed in high-relief. USS Maryland (BB-46) "Old Mary" or "Fighting Mary" was present on Battleship Row during the Attack on Pearl Harbor, and was lightly damaged by Japanese bombs.

I remain vigilant for clipper covers convergent with the Pearl Harbor attack as well as those carried by the Hawaii Clipper on her last voyage. She made it to Honolulu, to Midway, and to Wake before she disappeared...

Did I say that I like covers with maps?

-Paul

PS, I just noticed that the cover has an error: Guam is misspelled on the map!



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02 Dec 2020
09:32:29am
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Not a cover but the stamp was in service at the time of the attack.

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03 Jan 2021
02:28:55pm
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I was a Naval Postal Clerk from 1984-1988. If I had duty while on shore or we were out at sea, I did postmark mail on Sundays.

Bob

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03 Jan 2021
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Bob, this came with a bunch of ships covers but has FDC cancel...is that unusual ?Image Not Found

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04 Jan 2021
11:10:57am
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Yes, I would consider it unusual. I did a quick check of FDCs for this stamp on eBay and saw many, but none with a ship cancel.

Honolulu was the first day city for the Hawaii Territorial issue. October 18, 1937, was a Monday so I assume an enterprising sailor could have gone to the Honolulu post office on Oct 18, 1937, bought some stamps and used at least one on a cacheted cover from the Honolulu branch of the Trans-Pacific Cover Society to create a first day cover.

Might have required collusion with the ship's mail clerk, and then there is the possibility of backdating the cancel. Would U.S. Navy mail clerks have done that?? Don't know.

SH

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I checked the 1938 Blue Book of Philately and the addressee is listed. He was a construction engineer (presumably civilian) and cachet director for the Honolulu chapter of the Trans-Pacific Cover Society. USS Dent DD-116 was an old WW I destroyer still in service. A favor cancel from Dent's mail clerk seems likely. An interesting cover! I would like to have one like it. Maybe Hendricks did several??

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04 Jan 2021
04:59:01pm

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FF thank you, its possible the Trans Pacific Cover Society sent some cachet covers to the mail clerk on the Dent to be cancelled...looks like all he did was use the ships canceller. There is no backstamp. phil

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07 Dec 2022
08:04:14am
re: Pearl harbor covers

Today is December 7, so I looked up this old thread on Stamporama and reread it. The link that old friend ikeyPikey provided at the time, no longer works, so I have to fix it. If you would like to see the 8 AM Pearl Harbor cover that the Smithsonian National Postal Museum has on display, click this link:

https://postalmuseum.si.edu/object/npm_2 ...


The write up, that explains this cover, to help this thread make sense, is found below:



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This day, December 7, changed the lives of so many people, changed the USA, and changed the course of history for the whole world. I feel it should be remembered.

Linus


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BigP

08 Dec 2022
09:32:05pm
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My father's older brother went down with the Arizona, and family lore says there was a letter from my uncle to my dad (who would have just turned 13), postmarked 12/6, that was fished from the harbor and hand-delivered to my grandparents some years later. Sadly, we did not find it in my dad's effects when he died. Stupid of me not to have pressed him to produce it, but Pearl Harbor was an understandably sensitive topic with him and we assumed it would turn up.

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08 Dec 2022
11:20:12pm
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BigP

Wow! That USS Arizona cover would be a valuable piece of postal history for sure. They did find a letter in the water postmarked December 6th from the USS Nevada, which can be seen as Cover #12 in the excellent link below, which is on the Richard Frajola website:

https://www.rfrajola.com/KLPH/KLPH.pdf

Some covers were created by backdating cancellations, and this article analyzes them and calls them out. It is an excellent writeup on the topic of Pearl Harbor covers of that time period.

When I was a child, I remember a friend of my dad by the name of Chuck Hovey would visit our house occasionally. He was wounded at Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941 and had a steel plate in his forehead where he was hit by a steel beam. He had nasty scars, amazing that he survived at all. My father was a sergeant in the 333rd Engineers, assigned to Patton's Third Army. They would drink whiskey, cuss, and tell stories as I listened to them from the room next door.

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rickben2

12 Dec 2015
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Is there any collecting interest in Pearl Harbor covers postmarked as close to D-day as possible? Was there any time to postmark out going mail before the attach began on Dec. 7?

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Pogopossum

12 Dec 2015
12:19:00pm

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December 7th was a Sunday, so the Post Office was not open. I'm not sure about Military PO's, though.

Geoff

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ikeyPikey

05 Dec 2018
01:07:25pm

re: Pearl harbor covers

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Some 'main' post offices were open on Sundays, so Sunday postmarks exist.

In fact, in answer to the OP's question:

https://postalmuseum.si.edu/deliveringhope/exhibition_p4.html

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey

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Linus

05 Dec 2018
11:12:24pm

re: Pearl harbor covers

ikeyPikey - Thank you very much, sir, for posting the link above! I was not aware of that cover or the story behind it. Perry, Iowa is a small town just down the road from my house. Years ago, I stopped at an antiques store in downtown Perry and found the postcard scanned below. The card was written by Tommy Jitchaku, a medic in the 442nd Infantry, from Lecco, Italy to Perry, Iowa I have posted this card in other threads on Stamporama before. Tommy was from Hawaii, and I have always wondered how a soldier from Hawaii could know a family in Perry, Iowa? I think the National Postal Museum article you just linked me to has the answer. Private John R. Rion was a barber from Perry, Iowa serving in Hawaii. Quoting the article, "Life in paradise suited Rion, who spent his days cutting hair, trimming mustaches and beards, and shaving his fellow servicemen." In those days, the local barber knew everybody. Private Rion, cutting hair in Hawaii while his partner cut hair in small town Perry, Iowa, could very easily have linked up soldiers to families in Iowa supporting the war effort. The two barbers and the barbershop were the connection. It has to be!


Thanks again,

Linus


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05 Dec 2018
11:26:08pm

re: Pearl harbor covers

Magicians (and Jedi Masters) are not supposed to reveal their tricks, but I googled postmarked December 7 1941 and that was the first search result Party

That the cover complements something in your collection is just terrific!

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey

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pigdoc

08 Dec 2018
10:53:43am

re: Pearl harbor covers

Here's my entry, from another Discussion topic:

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It's a clipper cover mailed from the USS Maryland, dated Sunday, November 30, 1941, a week before the Pearl Harbor attack. The image of the Boeing 314 is an actual photograph. The map is printed in high-relief. USS Maryland (BB-46) "Old Mary" or "Fighting Mary" was present on Battleship Row during the Attack on Pearl Harbor, and was lightly damaged by Japanese bombs.

I remain vigilant for clipper covers convergent with the Pearl Harbor attack as well as those carried by the Hawaii Clipper on her last voyage. She made it to Honolulu, to Midway, and to Wake before she disappeared...

Did I say that I like covers with maps?

-Paul

PS, I just noticed that the cover has an error: Guam is misspelled on the map!



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02 Dec 2020
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Not a cover but the stamp was in service at the time of the attack.

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re: Pearl harbor covers

I was a Naval Postal Clerk from 1984-1988. If I had duty while on shore or we were out at sea, I did postmark mail on Sundays.

Bob

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03 Jan 2021
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Bob, this came with a bunch of ships covers but has FDC cancel...is that unusual ?Image Not Found

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04 Jan 2021
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re: Pearl harbor covers

Yes, I would consider it unusual. I did a quick check of FDCs for this stamp on eBay and saw many, but none with a ship cancel.

Honolulu was the first day city for the Hawaii Territorial issue. October 18, 1937, was a Monday so I assume an enterprising sailor could have gone to the Honolulu post office on Oct 18, 1937, bought some stamps and used at least one on a cacheted cover from the Honolulu branch of the Trans-Pacific Cover Society to create a first day cover.

Might have required collusion with the ship's mail clerk, and then there is the possibility of backdating the cancel. Would U.S. Navy mail clerks have done that?? Don't know.

SH

Addendum:

I checked the 1938 Blue Book of Philately and the addressee is listed. He was a construction engineer (presumably civilian) and cachet director for the Honolulu chapter of the Trans-Pacific Cover Society. USS Dent DD-116 was an old WW I destroyer still in service. A favor cancel from Dent's mail clerk seems likely. An interesting cover! I would like to have one like it. Maybe Hendricks did several??

FF

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04 Jan 2021
04:59:01pm

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FF thank you, its possible the Trans Pacific Cover Society sent some cachet covers to the mail clerk on the Dent to be cancelled...looks like all he did was use the ships canceller. There is no backstamp. phil

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Linus

07 Dec 2022
08:04:14am

re: Pearl harbor covers

Today is December 7, so I looked up this old thread on Stamporama and reread it. The link that old friend ikeyPikey provided at the time, no longer works, so I have to fix it. If you would like to see the 8 AM Pearl Harbor cover that the Smithsonian National Postal Museum has on display, click this link:

https://postalmuseum.si.edu/object/npm_2 ...


The write up, that explains this cover, to help this thread make sense, is found below:



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This day, December 7, changed the lives of so many people, changed the USA, and changed the course of history for the whole world. I feel it should be remembered.

Linus


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BigP

08 Dec 2022
09:32:05pm

re: Pearl harbor covers

My father's older brother went down with the Arizona, and family lore says there was a letter from my uncle to my dad (who would have just turned 13), postmarked 12/6, that was fished from the harbor and hand-delivered to my grandparents some years later. Sadly, we did not find it in my dad's effects when he died. Stupid of me not to have pressed him to produce it, but Pearl Harbor was an understandably sensitive topic with him and we assumed it would turn up.

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08 Dec 2022
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BigP

Wow! That USS Arizona cover would be a valuable piece of postal history for sure. They did find a letter in the water postmarked December 6th from the USS Nevada, which can be seen as Cover #12 in the excellent link below, which is on the Richard Frajola website:

https://www.rfrajola.com/KLPH/KLPH.pdf

Some covers were created by backdating cancellations, and this article analyzes them and calls them out. It is an excellent writeup on the topic of Pearl Harbor covers of that time period.

When I was a child, I remember a friend of my dad by the name of Chuck Hovey would visit our house occasionally. He was wounded at Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941 and had a steel plate in his forehead where he was hit by a steel beam. He had nasty scars, amazing that he survived at all. My father was a sergeant in the 333rd Engineers, assigned to Patton's Third Army. They would drink whiskey, cuss, and tell stories as I listened to them from the room next door.

Linus



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