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Here is just a sample of the gems this dealer has to offer:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/191799179422?euid=698000d2383042b499ca937dc0d65707&cp=1
I've asked for certificates to make sure there are no forgeries.
Let me check my calendar... No, it's not April first.
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You obviously missed the rare "KE7 2s6d upper left corner mis-perfed error" issue. So rare, it's not even in Gibbons!!!
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haha I saw someone on E-bay had a rare 599 used..only $900 dollars 
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How clumsy of me! I must have been distracted by the attractive gray automobile floormat protective backing he uses to display his merchandise.
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I just could not pass up that offer, I went to hit the Buy it now, and my wife hit me over the head with a frying pan. 
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The seller will think he's funny until some shill hits the "Buy It Now" button and eBay charges him the commission fees and it takes a few months to get them to reverse the charge! 
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I asked the seller, How did you figure these were worth $50,000.00?
Will you take a lower
offer?
The Sellers answer is:-
To be honest with you so I think its worth a lot more cuz each of these
stamps you can google world's most valuable stamps or world's most
expensive stamps I mean to be honest with you I'm not sure how much the
whole collection may be worth but if you want to make me an offer I may
accept it.
Hope they do not hold their breath waiting for my offer.
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Awww, you should have offered him a dollar!
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I saved this one off the 'bay a while back. I think I remember the person wanting $50 for this fabulous collection. I was going to ask if they'd throw in the foam plate!
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I sent him this message:
"Could you please provide an inventory list of all the stamps in this "collection"? I would also need catalog numbers and current values for each stamp. That way I can make an assessment if I need these stamps for my collection."
Can't wait to hear his reply.
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Michael, you might actually get a reply. I've gotten several responses from him from my request for expertization certificates:
"Sir personally I wouldn't know where to get the stamps authenticated it's not like coins or baseball cards but I'll offer you a full money back guarantee if you decide to purchase them and if they dont turn out to be legit but I did purchase these off of antique dealer he just didn't take the time to sort through them it took me three weeks to sort through one box then that I came up with all these"
To which I replied back, "without your expertization certificates, how can I be sure if yours are not forgeries?" He responded:
"To be honest with you I purchased these from an antique dealer he didn't take the time to go through the box I did and then I'm googling world's most valuable stamps the world's most expensive stamp and I seen I have 45 and all is that one box."
And a few minutes later:
"Like I mentioned I purchased these from an antique dealer there were thousands of stamps in one box it took me three weeks hours and hours to go through and sort then I was just curious when on Google then I start seeing a lot of stamps on there in under world's most valuable stamps the world's most expensive stamps so I'll know how much to really all worth but I am trying to get 50000 since they are all all on Google and they are all legit sir "
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I was skeptical, too, at first. But then I googled "world's most valuable stamps, and, BY GOD HE'S RIGHT! Here are a few more examples of the world's most valuable stamps:
Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go now and retire in luxury.
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Yes, I have gotten several replies from him. He insists that because they are on Google that they are valuable and he doesn't believe me. However, he said that he will take down the listing until he can check things out.
I told him that if he bought those stamps from an antique dealer for much money, that he got ripped off.
He kept on that the antique dealer knew what he was talking about (yeah, right) and that no one knows how many of those old stamps are still around, so as long as Google says they are valuable that seems to be good enough for him.
I asked him if he could provide me with an inventory list of all the stamps being offered along with catalog numbers and current values. He said he didn't know how to do that. I then asked him how then could he say that the stamps were valuable. Again, he came back and said, because it is on Google.
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That's a nice penny. When I was young I used to think that the S mint marks were from my town of birth. I was born in Seattle.
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It's not a penny. It's a world's most valuable stamp. Google said so.
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It's funny that out of all those items, the penny is actually worth a lot of money.
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you can see the strong doubling on the word "LIBERTY".
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Oh dear, I was just about to squander my son's inheritance when I hit the link and discovered this:
"This listing was ended by the seller because there was an error in the listing."
A decimal point error in the selling price, one assumes. I'm guessing $0.50 may be the correct figure?
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In Florida, there are many "Flea Markets," including a big well established one, "Warren's Flea Market' in Homosassa nearby. There is a wide range of sellers, some apparently semi-permanent and with multiple products. Many times the knowledgeable buyer can do quite well, but the sellers who seem to travel a circuit weekly from one established market to another are members of a strange brood.
Not all bad, just strange.
Most are quite clever and appear to live by their wits, below the table probably unknown to the IRS.
However, their expertise is often limited by their sort of nomad life, unaware of the simplest facts concerning their goods.
Those that sell valuable antiques seem to me to price things directly proportionally to the amount of dust they must wipe away when they prepare something for sale.
One insisted once that a 4¢ James Madison stamp from the 1938 president series was worth $35.00, US Dollars, not HK$. It was used, of course, a bit scruffy and had a partial cancellation that showed a part of the year 1948, ('18), that he took for 1818.
In a sarcastic mood, I asked him about it and he said it was almost two hundred years old. Playing the fool, an easy task, I exclaimed "Wow !!!that's amazing, how can you tell?
As if talking to the village idiot, he pointed to the 1809-1817 dates showing his presidential term just below the image.
I did my best to express innocent astonishment, saying,
"Gee, he must of come over on the Mayflower ?"
"yep him or his father..."
"That's only ten years, I guess he died young ?" I added.
Mentioning the dates.
"Yep, people grew up fast and died young in those days."
We chatted further and I suggested that Madison was one of the astronauts.
[I]"no that was his grandson."I commented that it was a great deal finding something so old for only $35. "I'd get more but don't have time to mess with it" He said confidently. All he had to do was reel this dumb sucker in. After fumbling in my pockets for money I added,
"I already spent my cash today" (pointing to a bag of some hardware I had bought before this fortuitous encounter.)
" I'll stop back next week and bring some $20s, or maybe tomorrow, so I can buy it, It is truly a part of history"
He must have said something about setting it aside.
I think it was two weeks later when early one morning I had the time, and my wife wanted some fresh veggies, so I returned, a '90s Scott specialized tucked under my arm.
" Hi, still got that old James Madison stamp?"
Looking like his money ship had just docked he nodded yes, and turned to a Carona Reale cigar box that had its cover hanging on by a thread. He showed me the fifteen or twenty similar stamps scrunched up inside along with some dust and bits of paper.
" Here it is." Picking it up between two finger that I imagined had just finished an 'over easy' fried egg sandwich for a late morning breakfast.
Opening the Scott, I showed a marked page, saying, "Look, I found it here in this catalog. I'm not sure what these numbers mean." He looked and I pointed to the .08 in the used column. He looked, but actually seemed to be uncomprehending, could he be functional illiterate ?
"Does this mean they sell it for 8¢ ?"
"No, that's an old book, its thirty years out of date." I guess he saw the "1966" next to the "Scotts" label.
"it's rare isn't it ?"
"Well yes, its a couple hundred years old."
"Then how come I have about a hundred or more of them"
I had a block of about two hundred of the series including the Madisons from a similar cigar box just chock full of stamps from the thirties, which I dumped into his box so that they opened an spread across the bottom.
There is a certain cruel streak that at times takes over. some unfortunate words followed as I said he could have them all for $10 altogether.
Okay, I lost a friend.
He retreated to the back of his booth and his wife (I suppose) stepped over saying something I couldn't hear. I am not a lip reader , nut I am quite sure I saw him form the words " Effin' wise guy" followed by some dagger looks as I laughed.
For a few years, I occasionally passed his booth and being sure not to come too close asked him if he "... had made a fortune from those two hundred year old stamps that came over on the Mayflower ?"
Once, he made some remark about calling security and I responded that I could speak louder about how he tried to rip me off by charging $35 for a used penny postage stamp, raising my voice a little at a time to demonstrate its timbre. He didn't and I laughed, just to annoy him. That was around twenty years ago and I didn't see him the last time I had someone push my wheel chair around the flea market, so I guess our constant companion, Karma, caught up with him.
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Antique dealers and flea market sellers, etc. have this ethos that if something is old then it is valuable. If you go to such places you will find stamps and covers with inflated prices that we, as philatelists, know to be way overpriced.
Elvis Presley items are a case in point - antique people think there are millions of people out there that want these items but we know that the covers are worth no more than a dollar, at best, and that the collectors of this memorabilia got their items when the stamps were first issued and that the original Elvis collectors are not old, ill and/or dead and are unloading their collections because they need the money to survive. And there are no new Elvis collectors out there that want the material.
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"Antique dealers and flea market sellers, etc. have this ethos that if something is old then it is valuable."
They also think that every single customer is even more ignorant than them and will fall for their sales pitch. They can't imagine that any of their potential customers could possibly be knowledgeable collectors who can see through their nonsense.
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When President Obama was first elected in 2008, Liberia issued a souvenir sheet to commemorate the event (Scott #2539, 2015 catalog value $3.00USD). People were going nuts buying souvenirs about Obama. I bought a large number of those souvenir sheets at face value (roughly $1.00) from my new issue wholesaler.
I listed them at auction one at a time on eBay, starting at my cost. Each sheet sold for from $19.95 to a high of almost $40.00. Those were nice sales.
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Every hobby has those!
I collect and build model car kits. They started making those in the late 1950s, very crude injection molded pieces, and technology has gotten better to superb in the years to the present times. Early kits can be worth money, but you really need to know the hobby to price things properly.
I was in an antique shop and the dealer had a couple of kits that he had marked "Genuine 1955 Chevy Kit" and a few others like that with huge prices on them. I'm pretty much an expert on these, and started to tell him that he had recent kits that depicted a 1955 Chevy instead of a kit that was made in 1955. He would have none of it! HE was the knowable dealer and I was a mere citizen! I pointed out that the side of the box had both a zip code and a bar code.. neither of which existed in 1955. He got flustered and chased me out of his store.
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it seems that facts interfere in Flea Markets as much as American politics.
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Not long ago I was browsing in an Antique shop when I came across several quart glass milk bottles, one in particular caught my eye. It was from Broguiere's Dairy in Montebello California, a small suburb just east of downtown L.A. it was priced at $25.00 and was marked VINTAGE, When I asked the person in the shop about the bottle I was told it was indeed quite old but in excellent condition but she really could only estimate its age.
I then pointed out the website address printed on the back of the bottle and informed her where the milk was sold, the deposit on the bottles is $1.25 when you return the empty bottle. She just looked at me with that caught in the headlights look
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I see similar instances all the time of dealers selling "vintage" 1920s and 30s toy metal figures, complete with the original box that shows the zip code of the manufacturer.
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I once sailed with a guy who had a ball point pen with what was obviously Hebrew writing in relief on it's barrel. He showed it to me and my watch partner saying that the letters were a quote from the old Jewish bible.
He also explained that it had beenhis family for yers and years, suggesting it was quite rare and had been owned by his grandfather.
This was in the early '60s and we couldn't not notice that on the clip some very tiny words said it was a product of Israel.
Neither of us had the heart to explain to him that Israel became an independent state in 1947 and such industrial manufacturing had not been in real production before about 1949 or '50 at best.
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"Neither of us had the heart to explain to him that Israel became an independent state in 1947 and such industrial manufacturing had not been in real production before about 1949 or '50 at best."
Agreed. In that situation it was best to leave it be! The pen was important to him as a family artifact, rather than any improperly conception of value.
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"Collection of 45 of the worlds most valuable stamps" up for bid on eBay. Starting bid is $50,000, or they can be yours right now for only $75,000.
Here is just a sample of the gems this dealer has to offer:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/191799179422?euid=698000d2383042b499ca937dc0d65707&cp=1
I've asked for certificates to make sure there are no forgeries.
Let me check my calendar... No, it's not April first.
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You obviously missed the rare "KE7 2s6d upper left corner mis-perfed error" issue. So rare, it's not even in Gibbons!!!
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haha I saw someone on E-bay had a rare 599 used..only $900 dollars
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How clumsy of me! I must have been distracted by the attractive gray automobile floormat protective backing he uses to display his merchandise.
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I just could not pass up that offer, I went to hit the Buy it now, and my wife hit me over the head with a frying pan.
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The seller will think he's funny until some shill hits the "Buy It Now" button and eBay charges him the commission fees and it takes a few months to get them to reverse the charge!
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I asked the seller, How did you figure these were worth $50,000.00?
Will you take a lower
offer?
The Sellers answer is:-
To be honest with you so I think its worth a lot more cuz each of these
stamps you can google world's most valuable stamps or world's most
expensive stamps I mean to be honest with you I'm not sure how much the
whole collection may be worth but if you want to make me an offer I may
accept it.
Hope they do not hold their breath waiting for my offer.
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Awww, you should have offered him a dollar!
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I saved this one off the 'bay a while back. I think I remember the person wanting $50 for this fabulous collection. I was going to ask if they'd throw in the foam plate!
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I sent him this message:
"Could you please provide an inventory list of all the stamps in this "collection"? I would also need catalog numbers and current values for each stamp. That way I can make an assessment if I need these stamps for my collection."
Can't wait to hear his reply.
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Michael, you might actually get a reply. I've gotten several responses from him from my request for expertization certificates:
"Sir personally I wouldn't know where to get the stamps authenticated it's not like coins or baseball cards but I'll offer you a full money back guarantee if you decide to purchase them and if they dont turn out to be legit but I did purchase these off of antique dealer he just didn't take the time to sort through them it took me three weeks to sort through one box then that I came up with all these"
To which I replied back, "without your expertization certificates, how can I be sure if yours are not forgeries?" He responded:
"To be honest with you I purchased these from an antique dealer he didn't take the time to go through the box I did and then I'm googling world's most valuable stamps the world's most expensive stamp and I seen I have 45 and all is that one box."
And a few minutes later:
"Like I mentioned I purchased these from an antique dealer there were thousands of stamps in one box it took me three weeks hours and hours to go through and sort then I was just curious when on Google then I start seeing a lot of stamps on there in under world's most valuable stamps the world's most expensive stamps so I'll know how much to really all worth but I am trying to get 50000 since they are all all on Google and they are all legit sir "
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I was skeptical, too, at first. But then I googled "world's most valuable stamps, and, BY GOD HE'S RIGHT! Here are a few more examples of the world's most valuable stamps:
Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go now and retire in luxury.
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Yes, I have gotten several replies from him. He insists that because they are on Google that they are valuable and he doesn't believe me. However, he said that he will take down the listing until he can check things out.
I told him that if he bought those stamps from an antique dealer for much money, that he got ripped off.
He kept on that the antique dealer knew what he was talking about (yeah, right) and that no one knows how many of those old stamps are still around, so as long as Google says they are valuable that seems to be good enough for him.
I asked him if he could provide me with an inventory list of all the stamps being offered along with catalog numbers and current values. He said he didn't know how to do that. I then asked him how then could he say that the stamps were valuable. Again, he came back and said, because it is on Google.
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That's a nice penny. When I was young I used to think that the S mint marks were from my town of birth. I was born in Seattle.
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It's not a penny. It's a world's most valuable stamp. Google said so.
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It's funny that out of all those items, the penny is actually worth a lot of money.
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you can see the strong doubling on the word "LIBERTY".
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Oh dear, I was just about to squander my son's inheritance when I hit the link and discovered this:
"This listing was ended by the seller because there was an error in the listing."
A decimal point error in the selling price, one assumes. I'm guessing $0.50 may be the correct figure?
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In Florida, there are many "Flea Markets," including a big well established one, "Warren's Flea Market' in Homosassa nearby. There is a wide range of sellers, some apparently semi-permanent and with multiple products. Many times the knowledgeable buyer can do quite well, but the sellers who seem to travel a circuit weekly from one established market to another are members of a strange brood.
Not all bad, just strange.
Most are quite clever and appear to live by their wits, below the table probably unknown to the IRS.
However, their expertise is often limited by their sort of nomad life, unaware of the simplest facts concerning their goods.
Those that sell valuable antiques seem to me to price things directly proportionally to the amount of dust they must wipe away when they prepare something for sale.
One insisted once that a 4¢ James Madison stamp from the 1938 president series was worth $35.00, US Dollars, not HK$. It was used, of course, a bit scruffy and had a partial cancellation that showed a part of the year 1948, ('18), that he took for 1818.
In a sarcastic mood, I asked him about it and he said it was almost two hundred years old. Playing the fool, an easy task, I exclaimed "Wow !!!that's amazing, how can you tell?
As if talking to the village idiot, he pointed to the 1809-1817 dates showing his presidential term just below the image.
I did my best to express innocent astonishment, saying,
"Gee, he must of come over on the Mayflower ?"
"yep him or his father..."
"That's only ten years, I guess he died young ?" I added.
Mentioning the dates.
"Yep, people grew up fast and died young in those days."
We chatted further and I suggested that Madison was one of the astronauts.
[I]"no that was his grandson."I commented that it was a great deal finding something so old for only $35. "I'd get more but don't have time to mess with it" He said confidently. All he had to do was reel this dumb sucker in. After fumbling in my pockets for money I added,
"I already spent my cash today" (pointing to a bag of some hardware I had bought before this fortuitous encounter.)
" I'll stop back next week and bring some $20s, or maybe tomorrow, so I can buy it, It is truly a part of history"
He must have said something about setting it aside.
I think it was two weeks later when early one morning I had the time, and my wife wanted some fresh veggies, so I returned, a '90s Scott specialized tucked under my arm.
" Hi, still got that old James Madison stamp?"
Looking like his money ship had just docked he nodded yes, and turned to a Carona Reale cigar box that had its cover hanging on by a thread. He showed me the fifteen or twenty similar stamps scrunched up inside along with some dust and bits of paper.
" Here it is." Picking it up between two finger that I imagined had just finished an 'over easy' fried egg sandwich for a late morning breakfast.
Opening the Scott, I showed a marked page, saying, "Look, I found it here in this catalog. I'm not sure what these numbers mean." He looked and I pointed to the .08 in the used column. He looked, but actually seemed to be uncomprehending, could he be functional illiterate ?
"Does this mean they sell it for 8¢ ?"
"No, that's an old book, its thirty years out of date." I guess he saw the "1966" next to the "Scotts" label.
"it's rare isn't it ?"
"Well yes, its a couple hundred years old."
"Then how come I have about a hundred or more of them"
I had a block of about two hundred of the series including the Madisons from a similar cigar box just chock full of stamps from the thirties, which I dumped into his box so that they opened an spread across the bottom.
There is a certain cruel streak that at times takes over. some unfortunate words followed as I said he could have them all for $10 altogether.
Okay, I lost a friend.
He retreated to the back of his booth and his wife (I suppose) stepped over saying something I couldn't hear. I am not a lip reader , nut I am quite sure I saw him form the words " Effin' wise guy" followed by some dagger looks as I laughed.
For a few years, I occasionally passed his booth and being sure not to come too close asked him if he "... had made a fortune from those two hundred year old stamps that came over on the Mayflower ?"
Once, he made some remark about calling security and I responded that I could speak louder about how he tried to rip me off by charging $35 for a used penny postage stamp, raising my voice a little at a time to demonstrate its timbre. He didn't and I laughed, just to annoy him. That was around twenty years ago and I didn't see him the last time I had someone push my wheel chair around the flea market, so I guess our constant companion, Karma, caught up with him.
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Antique dealers and flea market sellers, etc. have this ethos that if something is old then it is valuable. If you go to such places you will find stamps and covers with inflated prices that we, as philatelists, know to be way overpriced.
Elvis Presley items are a case in point - antique people think there are millions of people out there that want these items but we know that the covers are worth no more than a dollar, at best, and that the collectors of this memorabilia got their items when the stamps were first issued and that the original Elvis collectors are not old, ill and/or dead and are unloading their collections because they need the money to survive. And there are no new Elvis collectors out there that want the material.
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"Antique dealers and flea market sellers, etc. have this ethos that if something is old then it is valuable."
They also think that every single customer is even more ignorant than them and will fall for their sales pitch. They can't imagine that any of their potential customers could possibly be knowledgeable collectors who can see through their nonsense.
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When President Obama was first elected in 2008, Liberia issued a souvenir sheet to commemorate the event (Scott #2539, 2015 catalog value $3.00USD). People were going nuts buying souvenirs about Obama. I bought a large number of those souvenir sheets at face value (roughly $1.00) from my new issue wholesaler.
I listed them at auction one at a time on eBay, starting at my cost. Each sheet sold for from $19.95 to a high of almost $40.00. Those were nice sales.
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Every hobby has those!
I collect and build model car kits. They started making those in the late 1950s, very crude injection molded pieces, and technology has gotten better to superb in the years to the present times. Early kits can be worth money, but you really need to know the hobby to price things properly.
I was in an antique shop and the dealer had a couple of kits that he had marked "Genuine 1955 Chevy Kit" and a few others like that with huge prices on them. I'm pretty much an expert on these, and started to tell him that he had recent kits that depicted a 1955 Chevy instead of a kit that was made in 1955. He would have none of it! HE was the knowable dealer and I was a mere citizen! I pointed out that the side of the box had both a zip code and a bar code.. neither of which existed in 1955. He got flustered and chased me out of his store.
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it seems that facts interfere in Flea Markets as much as American politics.
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Not long ago I was browsing in an Antique shop when I came across several quart glass milk bottles, one in particular caught my eye. It was from Broguiere's Dairy in Montebello California, a small suburb just east of downtown L.A. it was priced at $25.00 and was marked VINTAGE, When I asked the person in the shop about the bottle I was told it was indeed quite old but in excellent condition but she really could only estimate its age.
I then pointed out the website address printed on the back of the bottle and informed her where the milk was sold, the deposit on the bottles is $1.25 when you return the empty bottle. She just looked at me with that caught in the headlights look
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I see similar instances all the time of dealers selling "vintage" 1920s and 30s toy metal figures, complete with the original box that shows the zip code of the manufacturer.
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I once sailed with a guy who had a ball point pen with what was obviously Hebrew writing in relief on it's barrel. He showed it to me and my watch partner saying that the letters were a quote from the old Jewish bible.
He also explained that it had beenhis family for yers and years, suggesting it was quite rare and had been owned by his grandfather.
This was in the early '60s and we couldn't not notice that on the clip some very tiny words said it was a product of Israel.
Neither of us had the heart to explain to him that Israel became an independent state in 1947 and such industrial manufacturing had not been in real production before about 1949 or '50 at best.
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"Neither of us had the heart to explain to him that Israel became an independent state in 1947 and such industrial manufacturing had not been in real production before about 1949 or '50 at best."
Agreed. In that situation it was best to leave it be! The pen was important to him as a family artifact, rather than any improperly conception of value.
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