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General Philatelic/Identify This? : Uruguay Scott 154 -- Girls Head

 

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Winedrinker
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12 Feb 2016
07:37:53pm
Going though my world stamps from days gone by, found this elegant stamp. Described only as "Girl's Head." Anyone have a clue about the story behind this stamp?

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12 Feb 2016
10:49:11pm
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Scott catalog has the same description "Girls Head" Issued in 1900 Scott #154 Cat. Value .80 cents mint .25 cents used

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12 Feb 2016
10:59:48pm
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A mystery girl. I note that the nudes in the upper corners appear to be winged angels, which make me think the stamp may be in memory or a child who died. But that is just conjecture. Perhaps the daughter of a prominent Uruquayan? The game is afoot!

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13 Feb 2016
05:11:23am
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The iconography here - the sun's rays as well as the well-developed angels - suggests a more general symbol of the burgeoning of youth and fecundity, and by extension that of the mother country, the Uruguayan state, emerging from a period of military rule into an era of economic expansion. However, there was trouble to come (another attempted coup by the Blancos) before the government could settle into comparative prosperity.

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13 Feb 2016
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I wonder if this was meant to represent 'freedom', as other countries (including the US)
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13 Feb 2016
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The "Diligencias" with the girl's head in the sun, is always interpreted as representing the birth of the republic. This newer stamp appears to be a more sophisticated version of the same design.

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13 Feb 2016
08:11:22am
re: Uruguay Scott 154 -- Girls Head

I think you folks are onto it. In looking up Uruguay stamps last night I saw that the stamp is part of a five stamp issue referenced as "State Symbols".

1 cent = Cattle
2 cent = Eros and Cornucopia
5 cent = Girls Head (two versions)
7 cent = Basket of Fruit
10 cent = Shepherdess

The iconography suggestions seem spot on, as well as the other comments. MUCH appreciated.
I now am forced to find out what the hell was going on in Uruguay around 1900.

Thanks!

Eric






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14 Feb 2016
02:12:04am
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I've always thought this stamp to be be an artists adaption/tribute to Goyas 'nude Maja' (there's something similar about the head & hair).

But likely the more allegorical roots are more true. Yawn

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TribalErnie

14 Feb 2016
08:09:02am
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To me the scroll work on this stamp is very similar to that of US Scott 300-312. They were issued right around the same time. Is there some connection between the engraver(s) and/or printer or is any similarity purely attributed to trends prevalent in art and stamp design of that time?


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jillcrow

14 Feb 2016
07:42:33pm
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The Uruguay set from 1900, including the 5c Girl's head, was engraved / printed by Waterlow & Sons Ltd., an English company.

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14 Feb 2016
07:57:01pm
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Thanks Ernie and Jill for this late-breaking info. (I am trying to fight off a strong urge to collect Uruguay.)

Cheers, Eric

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TribalErnie

14 Feb 2016
08:11:51pm
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Hey Jill and Eric,

I found this picture of Waterlow and Sons letterhead on eBay. It makes me wonder if these engraving shops had a "stable" of artists that worked for them exclusively or if different engravers would go from job to job with different shops as they landed big contracts. This is pure conjecture on my part, but I bet you can see the work of various artists across the industry and that the individual artists influenced and perhaps even copied each others work.

-Ernie

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14 Feb 2016
11:57:38pm
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Very interesting Ernie. After Jill brought up Waterlow and Sons I googled the company and found some intriguing history. They printed bank notes as well as stamps, and at one point the Banco de Portugal sued them -- and won. Problem with counterfeiting.

The document you provided is a lot of fun. the similarity might be because engraving techniques were similar in that time period? Also conjecture based on no facts, just words coming out of my mouth.

Cheers!


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15 Feb 2016
09:43:53am
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@winedrinker

Resistance is futile.

The Philatelic Club of Uruguay has a specialized catalogue for Uruguay available online for a nominal fee of 0.00 Pesos ($o.oo USD at current exchange rates).
http://www.clubfilatelicodeluruguay.com/BiblioFrame1.html (2nd link in the left-hand navigation bar.)

The link above that one takes you to a page with pdf articles available for download.

And John Apfelbaum had this to say about collecting Uruguay, in his blog:

SPECIALIZATION AREA: URUGUAY
THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 19TH, 2015
What Can Be Done: Uruguay is a wonderful country to collect. The classics are interesting and hard to find, but not particularly pricey. The Uruguayan first issues are called the "Suns," and they have long had tremendous specialty interest by themselves. The later nineteenth century has many better stamps (and in Uruguayan philately a “better” stamp sells for $50 where in US or British philately it would sell for $500). There are many surcharged issues in the latter nineteenth century (There are probably more surcharged issues in Latin America from 1870-1930 than the rest of the world combined. Many of these Latin American countries were poor, and inflation and economic problems were common. It was far cheaper to surcharge stamps when rates and taxes changed than it was to create new issues. Many surcharge varieties exist as the print shops that did the surcharging work were primitive and the workers ill trained. Uruguay had its share of interesting overprint varieties, and they make for good collecting).

Twentieth century Uruguayan philately is a very nice collecting experience. The stamps are plentiful enough to make the search interesting but not overly expensive. The postal issuing policies of the Uruguayan post office have been conservative. There have never been an excess of new issues (Until about 1990 when the postal agencies of many third world countries was taken over by businesses in New York, countries that had small domestic philatelic demand generally issued few stamps as there was no one to buy them. These countries make for good collecting). Uruguay airmails are very interesting and have many better sets, and the Officials are fun too.

Specialty Catalogs: Scott is pretty good for Uruguay. By straight listings, Uruguay is not a particularly difficult country to master and for which to make a pretty comprehensive collection. The varieties are tough, though, and there are many of them. I think the Officials are particularly interesting and that the Scott catalog prices on these are particularly off base. The prices for Officials are low and yet collectors almost never have them, and they are rarely offered for sale. (Officials of most countries are often among their most interesting issues. They were always issued for definite postal purpose and never have a philatelic-issued-for-collector-demand component. Notification of their being issued was rarely made in advance, and many are surcharged at the last minute for particular purposes and in very small quantities. I’ve never seen a specialized collection of Officials of the world—it would be a great way to specialize).

Specialty Album: The Scott Specialty series is very good for most of South America, and Uruguay is no exception. Davo (a Dutch album producer) makes a good specialized Uruguay album, and there is a hingeless version of the album that I’ve seen and which is very nice. Davo is imported to the United states, so it should be easy to find.

Expense: Uruguayan philately is in the “Goldilocks zone” (ie. just right, being neither too expensive nor too cheap). The first twenty or so issues are pricey and then, too, some of the Airmails. Besides that, the country is very manageable from a price standpoint.

Availability of Material: This is the best part of collecting Uruguay. The stamps are not too hard to find, yet they sell quickly so that diligence and the ability to pull the buying trigger is necessary to making a good collection. Uruguay is one of those countries with great interest outside of country natives (which is fortunate as, with a population of only three million, Uruguay couldn’t have much of a domestic collector base).

Overall Grade: A

So, winedrinker, you with me yet? Big Grin

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15 Feb 2016
12:02:12pm
re: Uruguay Scott 154 -- Girls Head

Youpiao,
Well. I can't very well NOT start collecting Uruguay after all that. Happy

In fact, as I start making sense of my childhood collection (just got back into collecting), I have already squirreled away those stamps in a nice stock binder, with intention of seeking out an appropriate binder, probably sooner rather than later.

The more I read about Uruguay I am amazed at how culturally advanced it is, almost approaching Shangri-La-hood. Well, sorta. And those Diligencias! I want them. I want them bad. Perhaps if I save up my allowance?

So, count me in.
Wine

PS bookmarked the Uruguay link. Thanks!

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michael78651

15 Feb 2016
11:38:14pm
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In 2013 and 2014, Uruguay was one of the countries that I selected to concentrate on. Of particular interest to me was filling in the spaces on the older material. The Scott catalog values are often the same for used or unused. I prefer mint, never hinged. I could hardly find any unused or MNH of older material. There is plenty of used stamps available, but unused is much harder to find. I did not buy the used stamps, and most of those spaces remain empty.

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16 Feb 2016
08:57:42am
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Michael, MNH on that first page will be a sight to behold. Co-incidentally I purchased some MNH Uruguay on ebay last night. 235-237 and the corresponding P2-P4 (Jose Rodo). Paid 2.75 for the stamps, but the postage was 3.00 Surprise (seller in Uruguay.)

Cheers,
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12 Feb 2016
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Going though my world stamps from days gone by, found this elegant stamp. Described only as "Girl's Head." Anyone have a clue about the story behind this stamp?

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12 Feb 2016
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re: Uruguay Scott 154 -- Girls Head

Scott catalog has the same description "Girls Head" Issued in 1900 Scott #154 Cat. Value .80 cents mint .25 cents used

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Bill

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12 Feb 2016
10:59:48pm

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A mystery girl. I note that the nudes in the upper corners appear to be winged angels, which make me think the stamp may be in memory or a child who died. But that is just conjecture. Perhaps the daughter of a prominent Uruquayan? The game is afoot!

Winedrinker aka Eric


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13 Feb 2016
05:11:23am

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The iconography here - the sun's rays as well as the well-developed angels - suggests a more general symbol of the burgeoning of youth and fecundity, and by extension that of the mother country, the Uruguayan state, emerging from a period of military rule into an era of economic expansion. However, there was trouble to come (another attempted coup by the Blancos) before the government could settle into comparative prosperity.

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13 Feb 2016
07:41:06am

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I wonder if this was meant to represent 'freedom', as other countries (including the US)
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Randy

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13 Feb 2016
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The "Diligencias" with the girl's head in the sun, is always interpreted as representing the birth of the republic. This newer stamp appears to be a more sophisticated version of the same design.

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13 Feb 2016
08:11:22am

re: Uruguay Scott 154 -- Girls Head

I think you folks are onto it. In looking up Uruguay stamps last night I saw that the stamp is part of a five stamp issue referenced as "State Symbols".

1 cent = Cattle
2 cent = Eros and Cornucopia
5 cent = Girls Head (two versions)
7 cent = Basket of Fruit
10 cent = Shepherdess

The iconography suggestions seem spot on, as well as the other comments. MUCH appreciated.
I now am forced to find out what the hell was going on in Uruguay around 1900.

Thanks!

Eric






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14 Feb 2016
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re: Uruguay Scott 154 -- Girls Head

I've always thought this stamp to be be an artists adaption/tribute to Goyas 'nude Maja' (there's something similar about the head & hair).

But likely the more allegorical roots are more true. Yawn

-k-

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TribalErnie

14 Feb 2016
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re: Uruguay Scott 154 -- Girls Head

To me the scroll work on this stamp is very similar to that of US Scott 300-312. They were issued right around the same time. Is there some connection between the engraver(s) and/or printer or is any similarity purely attributed to trends prevalent in art and stamp design of that time?


-Ernie


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14 Feb 2016
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The Uruguay set from 1900, including the 5c Girl's head, was engraved / printed by Waterlow & Sons Ltd., an English company.

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14 Feb 2016
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Thanks Ernie and Jill for this late-breaking info. (I am trying to fight off a strong urge to collect Uruguay.)

Cheers, Eric

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14 Feb 2016
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Hey Jill and Eric,

I found this picture of Waterlow and Sons letterhead on eBay. It makes me wonder if these engraving shops had a "stable" of artists that worked for them exclusively or if different engravers would go from job to job with different shops as they landed big contracts. This is pure conjecture on my part, but I bet you can see the work of various artists across the industry and that the individual artists influenced and perhaps even copied each others work.

-Ernie

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14 Feb 2016
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Very interesting Ernie. After Jill brought up Waterlow and Sons I googled the company and found some intriguing history. They printed bank notes as well as stamps, and at one point the Banco de Portugal sued them -- and won. Problem with counterfeiting.

The document you provided is a lot of fun. the similarity might be because engraving techniques were similar in that time period? Also conjecture based on no facts, just words coming out of my mouth.

Cheers!


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youpiao

15 Feb 2016
09:43:53am

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@winedrinker

Resistance is futile.

The Philatelic Club of Uruguay has a specialized catalogue for Uruguay available online for a nominal fee of 0.00 Pesos ($o.oo USD at current exchange rates).
http://www.clubfilatelicodeluruguay.com/BiblioFrame1.html (2nd link in the left-hand navigation bar.)

The link above that one takes you to a page with pdf articles available for download.

And John Apfelbaum had this to say about collecting Uruguay, in his blog:

SPECIALIZATION AREA: URUGUAY
THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 19TH, 2015
What Can Be Done: Uruguay is a wonderful country to collect. The classics are interesting and hard to find, but not particularly pricey. The Uruguayan first issues are called the "Suns," and they have long had tremendous specialty interest by themselves. The later nineteenth century has many better stamps (and in Uruguayan philately a “better” stamp sells for $50 where in US or British philately it would sell for $500). There are many surcharged issues in the latter nineteenth century (There are probably more surcharged issues in Latin America from 1870-1930 than the rest of the world combined. Many of these Latin American countries were poor, and inflation and economic problems were common. It was far cheaper to surcharge stamps when rates and taxes changed than it was to create new issues. Many surcharge varieties exist as the print shops that did the surcharging work were primitive and the workers ill trained. Uruguay had its share of interesting overprint varieties, and they make for good collecting).

Twentieth century Uruguayan philately is a very nice collecting experience. The stamps are plentiful enough to make the search interesting but not overly expensive. The postal issuing policies of the Uruguayan post office have been conservative. There have never been an excess of new issues (Until about 1990 when the postal agencies of many third world countries was taken over by businesses in New York, countries that had small domestic philatelic demand generally issued few stamps as there was no one to buy them. These countries make for good collecting). Uruguay airmails are very interesting and have many better sets, and the Officials are fun too.

Specialty Catalogs: Scott is pretty good for Uruguay. By straight listings, Uruguay is not a particularly difficult country to master and for which to make a pretty comprehensive collection. The varieties are tough, though, and there are many of them. I think the Officials are particularly interesting and that the Scott catalog prices on these are particularly off base. The prices for Officials are low and yet collectors almost never have them, and they are rarely offered for sale. (Officials of most countries are often among their most interesting issues. They were always issued for definite postal purpose and never have a philatelic-issued-for-collector-demand component. Notification of their being issued was rarely made in advance, and many are surcharged at the last minute for particular purposes and in very small quantities. I’ve never seen a specialized collection of Officials of the world—it would be a great way to specialize).

Specialty Album: The Scott Specialty series is very good for most of South America, and Uruguay is no exception. Davo (a Dutch album producer) makes a good specialized Uruguay album, and there is a hingeless version of the album that I’ve seen and which is very nice. Davo is imported to the United states, so it should be easy to find.

Expense: Uruguayan philately is in the “Goldilocks zone” (ie. just right, being neither too expensive nor too cheap). The first twenty or so issues are pricey and then, too, some of the Airmails. Besides that, the country is very manageable from a price standpoint.

Availability of Material: This is the best part of collecting Uruguay. The stamps are not too hard to find, yet they sell quickly so that diligence and the ability to pull the buying trigger is necessary to making a good collection. Uruguay is one of those countries with great interest outside of country natives (which is fortunate as, with a population of only three million, Uruguay couldn’t have much of a domestic collector base).

Overall Grade: A

So, winedrinker, you with me yet? Big Grin

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15 Feb 2016
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Youpiao,
Well. I can't very well NOT start collecting Uruguay after all that. Happy

In fact, as I start making sense of my childhood collection (just got back into collecting), I have already squirreled away those stamps in a nice stock binder, with intention of seeking out an appropriate binder, probably sooner rather than later.

The more I read about Uruguay I am amazed at how culturally advanced it is, almost approaching Shangri-La-hood. Well, sorta. And those Diligencias! I want them. I want them bad. Perhaps if I save up my allowance?

So, count me in.
Wine

PS bookmarked the Uruguay link. Thanks!

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15 Feb 2016
11:38:14pm

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In 2013 and 2014, Uruguay was one of the countries that I selected to concentrate on. Of particular interest to me was filling in the spaces on the older material. The Scott catalog values are often the same for used or unused. I prefer mint, never hinged. I could hardly find any unused or MNH of older material. There is plenty of used stamps available, but unused is much harder to find. I did not buy the used stamps, and most of those spaces remain empty.

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Winedrinker

16 Feb 2016
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Michael, MNH on that first page will be a sight to behold. Co-incidentally I purchased some MNH Uruguay on ebay last night. 235-237 and the corresponding P2-P4 (Jose Rodo). Paid 2.75 for the stamps, but the postage was 3.00 Surprise (seller in Uruguay.)

Cheers,
Wine

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