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General Philatelic/Identify This? : US STAMP

 

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foudutimbre
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29 May 2016
04:42:33pm

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A friend to me asked me to provide him with inforamtion on the following American stamp (may be parcel) that he found.
The support on which the stamp is affixed is tissue from a cover of a parcel.
is it possble to have an idea of its value ? many thanks in advance

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dani20
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29 May 2016
05:58:42pm
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Very interesting indeed. Assuming they are all legitimate there may be some considerable value there. Let's let some others comment first. Thanks for posting.
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stampmankeith

29 May 2016
11:04:12pm
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The cancel looks too bold and clean and the local stamp looks too clean cut for that period of use. I am suspicious but this is NOT my area of expertise. See what others think first and if they think it should be sent in for expertising. Good luck.

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khj
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29 May 2016
11:38:55pm
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I've never seen a Boyd's City Express cancel like that before. Obviously, I haven't seen them all, but that does not bode well.

A scan is preferable to a camera pic. The Government City Dispatch stamp is too blurry to see important details. However, it appears to be a forgery -- it looks like the left tips of the "ONE CENT" flag do not touch the left flag of the "GOVERNMENT" tablet. On the genuine stamps, they always touch.

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vinman
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30 May 2016
07:43:57am
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That screams fake. The cancel is too clear and sharp as is the dispatch label. Pink paper is also wrong for that time period.
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dani20
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30 May 2016
08:34:20am
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So Foudutimbre, here you have some very powerful impressions. Vinman speaks with much knowledge here, as does Stampmankeith and KHJ.

I personally would accept their cautions as very meaningful and would act accordingly. Your friend may not wish to do so, and his next step would be to have it expertized as suggested.

Hope this has been of some value to you.
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Dan C.

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30 May 2016
04:26:23pm
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Without doubt it is completely fake. Expertizing would be a waste of money.

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30 May 2016
04:52:21pm
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I'm rather interested in the history behind this piece. It looks like a philatelic contrivance -- maybe made by a dealer for fun as a "cinderella" souvenir. I don't think it was made to try to purposely deceive anyone, as many have pointed out that it clearly is not a genuine original.

Does your friend know where they got this?

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foudutimbre
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31 May 2016
05:47:40am

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My friend informs me that he found this document in a purchase of objects acquired upon departure of a foreign diplomat in Algeria

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31 May 2016
08:20:36am

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there's nothing that looks authentic here, as others have noted. I've never seen the use of a picture (revolvers) on an envelope of the period; the cancel is pristine beyond belief; but it's the pink/fuschia paper that screams contemporary. Colored paper existed in mid-19 century, but most were dull and in brown, green, and light blue families. i couldn't find any documentation that says pink paper didn't exist, but this implies we're still some time from it: http://cool.conservation-us.org/coolaic/sg/bpg/annual/v16/bp16-07.html

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foudutimbre

29 May 2016
04:42:33pm

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A friend to me asked me to provide him with inforamtion on the following American stamp (may be parcel) that he found.
The support on which the stamp is affixed is tissue from a cover of a parcel.
is it possble to have an idea of its value ? many thanks in advance

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dani20

29 May 2016
05:58:42pm

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Very interesting indeed. Assuming they are all legitimate there may be some considerable value there. Let's let some others comment first. Thanks for posting.
Best,
Dan C

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stampmankeith

29 May 2016
11:04:12pm

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The cancel looks too bold and clean and the local stamp looks too clean cut for that period of use. I am suspicious but this is NOT my area of expertise. See what others think first and if they think it should be sent in for expertising. Good luck.

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khj

29 May 2016
11:38:55pm

re: US STAMP

I've never seen a Boyd's City Express cancel like that before. Obviously, I haven't seen them all, but that does not bode well.

A scan is preferable to a camera pic. The Government City Dispatch stamp is too blurry to see important details. However, it appears to be a forgery -- it looks like the left tips of the "ONE CENT" flag do not touch the left flag of the "GOVERNMENT" tablet. On the genuine stamps, they always touch.

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vinman

30 May 2016
07:43:57am

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That screams fake. The cancel is too clear and sharp as is the dispatch label. Pink paper is also wrong for that time period.
Vince

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dani20

30 May 2016
08:34:20am

re: US STAMP

So Foudutimbre, here you have some very powerful impressions. Vinman speaks with much knowledge here, as does Stampmankeith and KHJ.

I personally would accept their cautions as very meaningful and would act accordingly. Your friend may not wish to do so, and his next step would be to have it expertized as suggested.

Hope this has been of some value to you.
Best,
Dan C.

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AntoniusRa

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30 May 2016
04:26:23pm

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Without doubt it is completely fake. Expertizing would be a waste of money.

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khj

30 May 2016
04:52:21pm

re: US STAMP

I'm rather interested in the history behind this piece. It looks like a philatelic contrivance -- maybe made by a dealer for fun as a "cinderella" souvenir. I don't think it was made to try to purposely deceive anyone, as many have pointed out that it clearly is not a genuine original.

Does your friend know where they got this?

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foudutimbre

31 May 2016
05:47:40am

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My friend informs me that he found this document in a purchase of objects acquired upon departure of a foreign diplomat in Algeria

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31 May 2016
08:20:36am

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there's nothing that looks authentic here, as others have noted. I've never seen the use of a picture (revolvers) on an envelope of the period; the cancel is pristine beyond belief; but it's the pink/fuschia paper that screams contemporary. Colored paper existed in mid-19 century, but most were dull and in brown, green, and light blue families. i couldn't find any documentation that says pink paper didn't exist, but this implies we're still some time from it: http://cool.conservation-us.org/coolaic/sg/bpg/annual/v16/bp16-07.html

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