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Europe/Great Britain : Mysterious Blue Mark on back of GB Postage Due Stamp

 

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Winedrinker
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09 Jul 2016
09:48:53pm
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Appreciate any help. Is this tiny mark something a dealer would put on the back of a stamp? If so why?

At any rate, I would be very interested in getting to the bottom of this mystery. I suspect someone put it there just to conflabulate me.

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Eric


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TribalErnie

09 Jul 2016
10:09:53pm
re: Mysterious Blue Mark on back of GB Postage Due Stamp

Cornielle Soeteman expertizers mark??

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Ningpo
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09 Jul 2016
10:15:08pm
re: Mysterious Blue Mark on back of GB Postage Due Stamp

I know that expertiser marks have been used for many years and revered by collectors but not in this case. A dealer mark possibly. This could even be an 'owner' mark. Why? Who knows. I just wish people would refrain from doing this or scribbling, particularly on mint stamps. Like this one:


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09 Jul 2016
10:20:05pm
re: Mysterious Blue Mark on back of GB Postage Due Stamp

Yes, it makes no sense to me to be defacing a stamp, even if it is the back of the stamp.

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TribalErnie

09 Jul 2016
10:32:25pm
re: Mysterious Blue Mark on back of GB Postage Due Stamp

Wasn't the idea that if there was a known and respected mark that you could buy with the confidence that the item was genuine? But couldn't the mark itself be forged?

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Ningpo
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09 Jul 2016
10:36:28pm
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I shall refrain from going into detail about another pet hate of mine; defacing postal history. Just to say that I despair at dealers writing the bleedin' obvious on a cover, like ADEN to TOOTICORIN, when I can actually see the postmark and funnily enough, read the address.

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09 Jul 2016
10:42:58pm
re: Mysterious Blue Mark on back of GB Postage Due Stamp

Yep, and the expertizer marks are forged. You think forged stamps are a field, there's also a field that specializes in forged expertizer marks!

Guess what. Modern certificates also get forged. They aren't that complicated.

That's why having the certificates viewable online at the expertizer's website is so important. If one only buys 1 or 2 stamps with certificates, one may not be able to distinguish real from fake certificates. It's not that hard to slap any stamp onto a fake certificate. But when certificates can be viewed online, it's pretty difficult to match the details (e.g., cancel, perforation shapes, centering...).

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09 Jul 2016
10:58:46pm
re: Mysterious Blue Mark on back of GB Postage Due Stamp

"Guess what. Modern certificates also get forged."



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09 Jul 2016
11:01:56pm
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Ningpo, you and I should start an expertizing service for certificates...

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Winedrinker

09 Jul 2016
09:48:53pm

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Appreciate any help. Is this tiny mark something a dealer would put on the back of a stamp? If so why?

At any rate, I would be very interested in getting to the bottom of this mystery. I suspect someone put it there just to conflabulate me.

Thanks!
Eric


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TribalErnie

09 Jul 2016
10:09:53pm

re: Mysterious Blue Mark on back of GB Postage Due Stamp

Cornielle Soeteman expertizers mark??

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Ningpo

09 Jul 2016
10:15:08pm

re: Mysterious Blue Mark on back of GB Postage Due Stamp

I know that expertiser marks have been used for many years and revered by collectors but not in this case. A dealer mark possibly. This could even be an 'owner' mark. Why? Who knows. I just wish people would refrain from doing this or scribbling, particularly on mint stamps. Like this one:


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Winedrinker

09 Jul 2016
10:20:05pm

re: Mysterious Blue Mark on back of GB Postage Due Stamp

Yes, it makes no sense to me to be defacing a stamp, even if it is the back of the stamp.

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TribalErnie

09 Jul 2016
10:32:25pm

re: Mysterious Blue Mark on back of GB Postage Due Stamp

Wasn't the idea that if there was a known and respected mark that you could buy with the confidence that the item was genuine? But couldn't the mark itself be forged?

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Ningpo

09 Jul 2016
10:36:28pm

re: Mysterious Blue Mark on back of GB Postage Due Stamp

I shall refrain from going into detail about another pet hate of mine; defacing postal history. Just to say that I despair at dealers writing the bleedin' obvious on a cover, like ADEN to TOOTICORIN, when I can actually see the postmark and funnily enough, read the address.

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khj

09 Jul 2016
10:42:58pm

re: Mysterious Blue Mark on back of GB Postage Due Stamp

Yep, and the expertizer marks are forged. You think forged stamps are a field, there's also a field that specializes in forged expertizer marks!

Guess what. Modern certificates also get forged. They aren't that complicated.

That's why having the certificates viewable online at the expertizer's website is so important. If one only buys 1 or 2 stamps with certificates, one may not be able to distinguish real from fake certificates. It's not that hard to slap any stamp onto a fake certificate. But when certificates can be viewed online, it's pretty difficult to match the details (e.g., cancel, perforation shapes, centering...).

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Ningpo

09 Jul 2016
10:58:46pm

re: Mysterious Blue Mark on back of GB Postage Due Stamp

"Guess what. Modern certificates also get forged."



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09 Jul 2016
11:01:56pm

re: Mysterious Blue Mark on back of GB Postage Due Stamp

Ningpo, you and I should start an expertizing service for certificates...

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