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Europe/Germany : HELP on ID of German Scott #'s 658-691 Types

 

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I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.

06 Aug 2016
11:50:41am
I understand there are 2 types of Scott #658-691 having to do with the number of horizontal lines in the stairs. However, if I use the outside steps, I count 5 and if I count the steps entering the building I come up with 8. Type I should have 4 lines and Type II should have 7. Can someone please post a scan of both types so I will know what I am doing wrong.

Mel
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06 Aug 2016
02:32:48pm
re: HELP on ID of German Scott #'s 658-691 Types

I believe I may have figured it out. I still need confirmation to make sure that I am correct.

According to Colnect: "Escalier sous la voûte monte plus haut que celui du Type I" Believe this translate to: Stairs under the vault rises higher than that of type I. If the "vault" is the archway entering the building, then I can count 4 and 7 steps. If this is the case I have 3 stamps misplacedCrying

I still need someone smarter than me to confirm.

Thanks, Mel

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06 Aug 2016
02:43:17pm
re: HELP on ID of German Scott #'s 658-691 Types

Here is a Type I on the left and Type II on the right.

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06 Aug 2016
03:23:56pm
re: HELP on ID of German Scott #'s 658-691 Types

Steve,

Thanks for your response. You just confirmed what I suspected after doing further research. Now I have 3 type II in the type I spaces that I have to move to the type II spaces. Saves me from purchasing duplicate stamps.

Again thanks for your help. Will keep your scans for reference.

Regards, Mel

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JF0505

06 Aug 2016
04:46:16pm
re: HELP on ID of German Scott #'s 658-691 Types

You can also tell the Type 1 from the Type 2 by the hatching in the cornices
The stairs alone don't tell the whole story as there is also a type 1 with 7 stairs
There are 4 varieties of Type 1 to contend with

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There are other ways to distinguish between Type 1 & 2 as they were produced by different printers but I think the cornices hatching is the easiest

This whole series Mi73-100 has about 300 varieties with quite a range of CV's

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06 Aug 2016
06:26:05pm
re: HELP on ID of German Scott #'s 658-691 Types

For those of us who do not have a Scott catalogue, it would be interesting to see what stamp this actually is.

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06 Aug 2016
07:49:03pm
re: HELP on ID of German Scott #'s 658-691 Types

"For those of us who do not have a Scott catalogue, it would be interesting to see what stamp this actually is"



Issue of 1948-1951 Holsten Gate,Lubeck


Scott # 659-661 1M yellow green, 2M violet, 3M carmine rose, 5M blue


Minkus # 1315-1318,calls them different colors than Scott, 1M pale green, 2M blue violet, 3M magenta, 5M dull blue


sorry no SG or Michel
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06 Aug 2016
07:51:45pm
re: HELP on ID of German Scott #'s 658-691 Types

Sorry, my scanner has gone on the blitz since I switched to Win 10. I obtained the following from Colnect:

Mi: DEIIwg
Sn: DE 658b
yt: DE=B1Z 65(II)

Stamps issued 1948-51 and show the Holsten Gate. My album has 4 spaces for Type I and 4 Spaces for Type II. The denomination is 1 2 3 and 5 Mark.

JF0505 you have blown my mind. Thank you very much for your outstanding pictures. I now know for sure that my 1 2 and 3 mark are Type II, but at least my 5 mark is type I.

I promise I will get the scanner fixed and will post scans next time.

Thanks for all the responses.

Mel

OOPS, looks like Mr. fredcdobbs answered while I as typing.

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07 Aug 2016
04:28:24am
re: HELP on ID of German Scott #'s 658-691 Types

In case any other British collectors are following this thread, the stamps referred to here are SG A132-135, under:
Germany
Allied Occupation
C. British and American Zones 1948-49

1948 (1 Sept.)-50
illustration Type A13 'Holstentor, Lubeck'.

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I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.
06 Aug 2016
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I understand there are 2 types of Scott #658-691 having to do with the number of horizontal lines in the stairs. However, if I use the outside steps, I count 5 and if I count the steps entering the building I come up with 8. Type I should have 4 lines and Type II should have 7. Can someone please post a scan of both types so I will know what I am doing wrong.

Mel

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re: HELP on ID of German Scott #'s 658-691 Types

I believe I may have figured it out. I still need confirmation to make sure that I am correct.

According to Colnect: "Escalier sous la voûte monte plus haut que celui du Type I" Believe this translate to: Stairs under the vault rises higher than that of type I. If the "vault" is the archway entering the building, then I can count 4 and 7 steps. If this is the case I have 3 stamps misplacedCrying

I still need someone smarter than me to confirm.

Thanks, Mel

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06 Aug 2016
02:43:17pm

re: HELP on ID of German Scott #'s 658-691 Types

Here is a Type I on the left and Type II on the right.

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06 Aug 2016
03:23:56pm

re: HELP on ID of German Scott #'s 658-691 Types

Steve,

Thanks for your response. You just confirmed what I suspected after doing further research. Now I have 3 type II in the type I spaces that I have to move to the type II spaces. Saves me from purchasing duplicate stamps.

Again thanks for your help. Will keep your scans for reference.

Regards, Mel

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JF0505

06 Aug 2016
04:46:16pm

re: HELP on ID of German Scott #'s 658-691 Types

You can also tell the Type 1 from the Type 2 by the hatching in the cornices
The stairs alone don't tell the whole story as there is also a type 1 with 7 stairs
There are 4 varieties of Type 1 to contend with

Image Not Found

There are other ways to distinguish between Type 1 & 2 as they were produced by different printers but I think the cornices hatching is the easiest

This whole series Mi73-100 has about 300 varieties with quite a range of CV's

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Guthrum

06 Aug 2016
06:26:05pm

re: HELP on ID of German Scott #'s 658-691 Types

For those of us who do not have a Scott catalogue, it would be interesting to see what stamp this actually is.

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06 Aug 2016
07:49:03pm

re: HELP on ID of German Scott #'s 658-691 Types

"For those of us who do not have a Scott catalogue, it would be interesting to see what stamp this actually is"



Issue of 1948-1951 Holsten Gate,Lubeck


Scott # 659-661 1M yellow green, 2M violet, 3M carmine rose, 5M blue


Minkus # 1315-1318,calls them different colors than Scott, 1M pale green, 2M blue violet, 3M magenta, 5M dull blue


sorry no SG or Michel
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06 Aug 2016
07:51:45pm

re: HELP on ID of German Scott #'s 658-691 Types

Sorry, my scanner has gone on the blitz since I switched to Win 10. I obtained the following from Colnect:

Mi: DEIIwg
Sn: DE 658b
yt: DE=B1Z 65(II)

Stamps issued 1948-51 and show the Holsten Gate. My album has 4 spaces for Type I and 4 Spaces for Type II. The denomination is 1 2 3 and 5 Mark.

JF0505 you have blown my mind. Thank you very much for your outstanding pictures. I now know for sure that my 1 2 and 3 mark are Type II, but at least my 5 mark is type I.

I promise I will get the scanner fixed and will post scans next time.

Thanks for all the responses.

Mel

OOPS, looks like Mr. fredcdobbs answered while I as typing.

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Guthrum

07 Aug 2016
04:28:24am

re: HELP on ID of German Scott #'s 658-691 Types

In case any other British collectors are following this thread, the stamps referred to here are SG A132-135, under:
Germany
Allied Occupation
C. British and American Zones 1948-49

1948 (1 Sept.)-50
illustration Type A13 'Holstentor, Lubeck'.

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