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General Philatelic/Gen. Discussion : Donations to, and Kiloware from, Briefmarkenstelle Bethel

 

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ikeyPikey
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01 Sep 2016
12:00:34am
Q/ Anybody familiar with Briefmarkenstelle Bethel for either donations or purchases?

http://www.briefmarken-bethel.de/

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey
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01 Sep 2016
02:44:12am

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re: Donations to, and Kiloware from, Briefmarkenstelle Bethel

It is one of the best known sources for kiloware, at least it is a well-known name over here in the Netherlands.

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01 Sep 2016
04:45:36pm
re: Donations to, and Kiloware from, Briefmarkenstelle Bethel

Real rookie questions:

1) Is kiloware different from bundleware? How?

2) Is kiloware always on-paper, always off, or a mix?

3) Is there usually reasonable quality control to at least pull out any egregiously damaged stamps with minimal bent, pulled perfs, etc?

4) In general, how much would you expect to pay per ounce/30 grams (excluding shipping)?

Thanks.



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01 Sep 2016
05:19:53pm
re: Donations to, and Kiloware from, Briefmarkenstelle Bethel

To me kiloware means stamps still on paper as received from those who did the envelope clipping. But it kind of depends on the person marketing the mix as to what he would include in the kiloware description. Sometimes some stamps off paper can be included, but I believe most times if the stamps are all off paper it will be referred to as an off-paper mix.

Bundleware I would assume means many stamps of one issue all stacked one-on-top-of-another to give you a stack of stamps, with this stack then "bundled" together with string or a rubber band. The result is a neat little bundle or pillow of stamps, with all the stamps identical. You will generally see bundleware with common definitive stamps. For a reference as to what these bundles look like, search for the thread I started about a month ago about a mass of Monaco stamps that an auction house put up for sale; all of those stamps were in bundles.

The quality of the mix can vary from the supplier. Best to order a very small quantity at first to see what the mix is like (often you have a choice to order one ounce, four ounces, a pound or even larger amounts of the same mixture). Check to see if the mix is single or double paper (just of the side of the envelope the stamp is on or the whole corner of the envelope with both sides present) and whether it is described as closely clipped or not. If you are looking for something like USA coil-plate-number singles used, check to make sure that the mix is unpicked. There will be some damaged stamps in all kiloware; not everyone applying stamps to an envelope is careful when they separate the stamps from each other. Some damage can also occur during their time in the mail-stream.

If you are lucky enough to find a source of kiloware where all the damaged stamps have been removed, you are going to have to pay a much higher price for it. After all, there is work involved in separating out all the damaged stamps and someone must be compensated for that effort.

I have ordered many times from a company called Swan Philatelic Imports which is located in Missouri. Google them to find their website which contains their pricelist. They sell kiloware from many different countries and often times have different types of kiloware from a single country. For Germany, they have some that is just commemoratives, just definitive or just semi-postal issues. For just Germany, they have 13 different kiloware mixtures and this does not count the West Berlin and East Germany mixtures that they also have for sale.

If you check out this list, you will see that there is a very wide range of prices given. A small country like Faroe where very few stamps will see postal use will have very high prices. USA kiloware, on the other hand, is very cheap. So the price will often be determined by the scarcity of the mix as well as the demand by collectors for that mix.

I have tons of kiloware on hand (many not quite a ton, but pretty close) that I have purchased over the years. You just gave me an excuse to package some up and send it off to you. Don't worry, I won't send any of the good stuff (Liechtenstein, Iceland, West Berlin, etc), you will get some cheaper stuff just to show you what it consists of.




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01 Sep 2016
05:50:12pm
re: Donations to, and Kiloware from, Briefmarkenstelle Bethel

Hi Rookies;

Yes bundle ware and kiloware are significantly different.

Altho kiloware will certainly contain duplicates, not nearly as many usually, and the heaviest duplication will be whichever stamps are the rates for first class in the nation represented. Also they are usually more recent stamps, and so some collectors are less likely to have them, or are seeking nicely canceled versions.

Bundle ware is exactly what it sounds like, stacks of identical stamps, off paper, stacked one on another in quantities of 100. Within these bundle ware lots, all the bundles are of the same stamp, within each bundle. So if you see an add for bundle ware that states 10,000 stamps, just knock two zeros of the quantity, in this case only 100 different, assuming each bundle is of a different stamp.

Stamp companies, decades ago used to buy them at very low prices, to make up packets for beginners. Most of them are very old because the stamp companies no longer buy these like decades ago.

Kiloware is almost always on paper and generally much nicer and newer. Off-paper stamps are also sold by the pound, but they are not commonly called kiloware. They are always a better deal for any collector, beginner, intermediate and fly speck collectors alike. I used to buy them and pick out the ones I liked (usually a few dozen to a few hundred) and resold the rest on line. But I don't care much for soaking stamps, so only buy off-paper lots. I also don't buy mounted collections, just too much work removing hinges from low-value stamps to sell them to others.

If you collect Europe, it sounds like Jansimon has it nailed, and that sounds like a very good source of supply.

Oooops okstamps was faster on the draw....good thing he set his blaster for stun....
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26 Sep 2016
03:39:56am
re: Donations to, and Kiloware from, Briefmarkenstelle Bethel

If you are buying kiloware, try to vary the sources ( I haven't bought any for years - I am still going through stuff purchased in the 90s but the principles don't change ).

Kiloware dealers all have their own various sources and buy in huge quantities. So if you buy the same US mixture from the same dealer within say 6 months you will get all the same stuff, but another dealer might be selling mixtures from a slightly different period.

Dealers who sell "self-mixed" lots from different sources often have a much better yield than those who have bought directly from the source. However you have to sample them to find them. Some charities also have collections donated direct with many off paper stamps.However they re all too aware of the vlue of stamps, and it is not unknown for them to price these higher than for example e-bay or delcampe

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01 Sep 2016
12:00:34am

Q/ Anybody familiar with Briefmarkenstelle Bethel for either donations or purchases?

http://www.briefmarken-bethel.de/

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey

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re: Donations to, and Kiloware from, Briefmarkenstelle Bethel

It is one of the best known sources for kiloware, at least it is a well-known name over here in the Netherlands.

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01 Sep 2016
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re: Donations to, and Kiloware from, Briefmarkenstelle Bethel

Real rookie questions:

1) Is kiloware different from bundleware? How?

2) Is kiloware always on-paper, always off, or a mix?

3) Is there usually reasonable quality control to at least pull out any egregiously damaged stamps with minimal bent, pulled perfs, etc?

4) In general, how much would you expect to pay per ounce/30 grams (excluding shipping)?

Thanks.



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01 Sep 2016
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re: Donations to, and Kiloware from, Briefmarkenstelle Bethel

To me kiloware means stamps still on paper as received from those who did the envelope clipping. But it kind of depends on the person marketing the mix as to what he would include in the kiloware description. Sometimes some stamps off paper can be included, but I believe most times if the stamps are all off paper it will be referred to as an off-paper mix.

Bundleware I would assume means many stamps of one issue all stacked one-on-top-of-another to give you a stack of stamps, with this stack then "bundled" together with string or a rubber band. The result is a neat little bundle or pillow of stamps, with all the stamps identical. You will generally see bundleware with common definitive stamps. For a reference as to what these bundles look like, search for the thread I started about a month ago about a mass of Monaco stamps that an auction house put up for sale; all of those stamps were in bundles.

The quality of the mix can vary from the supplier. Best to order a very small quantity at first to see what the mix is like (often you have a choice to order one ounce, four ounces, a pound or even larger amounts of the same mixture). Check to see if the mix is single or double paper (just of the side of the envelope the stamp is on or the whole corner of the envelope with both sides present) and whether it is described as closely clipped or not. If you are looking for something like USA coil-plate-number singles used, check to make sure that the mix is unpicked. There will be some damaged stamps in all kiloware; not everyone applying stamps to an envelope is careful when they separate the stamps from each other. Some damage can also occur during their time in the mail-stream.

If you are lucky enough to find a source of kiloware where all the damaged stamps have been removed, you are going to have to pay a much higher price for it. After all, there is work involved in separating out all the damaged stamps and someone must be compensated for that effort.

I have ordered many times from a company called Swan Philatelic Imports which is located in Missouri. Google them to find their website which contains their pricelist. They sell kiloware from many different countries and often times have different types of kiloware from a single country. For Germany, they have some that is just commemoratives, just definitive or just semi-postal issues. For just Germany, they have 13 different kiloware mixtures and this does not count the West Berlin and East Germany mixtures that they also have for sale.

If you check out this list, you will see that there is a very wide range of prices given. A small country like Faroe where very few stamps will see postal use will have very high prices. USA kiloware, on the other hand, is very cheap. So the price will often be determined by the scarcity of the mix as well as the demand by collectors for that mix.

I have tons of kiloware on hand (many not quite a ton, but pretty close) that I have purchased over the years. You just gave me an excuse to package some up and send it off to you. Don't worry, I won't send any of the good stuff (Liechtenstein, Iceland, West Berlin, etc), you will get some cheaper stuff just to show you what it consists of.




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01 Sep 2016
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re: Donations to, and Kiloware from, Briefmarkenstelle Bethel

Hi Rookies;

Yes bundle ware and kiloware are significantly different.

Altho kiloware will certainly contain duplicates, not nearly as many usually, and the heaviest duplication will be whichever stamps are the rates for first class in the nation represented. Also they are usually more recent stamps, and so some collectors are less likely to have them, or are seeking nicely canceled versions.

Bundle ware is exactly what it sounds like, stacks of identical stamps, off paper, stacked one on another in quantities of 100. Within these bundle ware lots, all the bundles are of the same stamp, within each bundle. So if you see an add for bundle ware that states 10,000 stamps, just knock two zeros of the quantity, in this case only 100 different, assuming each bundle is of a different stamp.

Stamp companies, decades ago used to buy them at very low prices, to make up packets for beginners. Most of them are very old because the stamp companies no longer buy these like decades ago.

Kiloware is almost always on paper and generally much nicer and newer. Off-paper stamps are also sold by the pound, but they are not commonly called kiloware. They are always a better deal for any collector, beginner, intermediate and fly speck collectors alike. I used to buy them and pick out the ones I liked (usually a few dozen to a few hundred) and resold the rest on line. But I don't care much for soaking stamps, so only buy off-paper lots. I also don't buy mounted collections, just too much work removing hinges from low-value stamps to sell them to others.

If you collect Europe, it sounds like Jansimon has it nailed, and that sounds like a very good source of supply.

Oooops okstamps was faster on the draw....good thing he set his blaster for stun....
TuskenRaider

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malcolm197

26 Sep 2016
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re: Donations to, and Kiloware from, Briefmarkenstelle Bethel

If you are buying kiloware, try to vary the sources ( I haven't bought any for years - I am still going through stuff purchased in the 90s but the principles don't change ).

Kiloware dealers all have their own various sources and buy in huge quantities. So if you buy the same US mixture from the same dealer within say 6 months you will get all the same stuff, but another dealer might be selling mixtures from a slightly different period.

Dealers who sell "self-mixed" lots from different sources often have a much better yield than those who have bought directly from the source. However you have to sample them to find them. Some charities also have collections donated direct with many off paper stamps.However they re all too aware of the vlue of stamps, and it is not unknown for them to price these higher than for example e-bay or delcampe

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