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General Philatelic/Identify This? : 1947 Germany-Berlin Overprint

 

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whitebuffalo
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13 Sep 2016
09:42:58pm
Need a little help with these. I found the stamps listed on Stamp World under Joint Allied Occupation Zone, but without the Berlin overprint. The Berlin section doesn't show them at all. Also, in the Berlin section, none of the overprints had the the "3" and "4". So, are these listed in any of the other catalogs? Were they overprinted long after their 1947 printing? Are they anything special?

Thanks for any help,


WB

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michael78651

14 Sep 2016
08:18:26am
re: 1947 Germany-Berlin Overprint

The overprints were applied for use in the Russian occupation zone. They are considered local in nature. The note regarding these is found in Scott at the beginning to the listings for German Democratic Republic. Forged overprints are common.

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nigelc
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14 Sep 2016
09:46:14am
re: 1947 Germany-Berlin Overprint

Hello WB,

There are thousands of these overprints which follow a common format of a large "OPD" number followed by the postal district name

The large number is typically the OPD (Oberpostdirektion) number identifying the old high-level German postal administration regions. For example, in an earlier posting here we saw examples with "16" referring to OPD Erfurt in Thuringia. Here it is "3" which Michel refers to as "Magistratspost Berlin" rather than an OPD.

My 1999 Michel Germany Specialised catalogue lists all the postal districts that were involved in this overprinting within each OPD.

Here the postal district is "Berlin 4".

Many of these overprints were forged in large quantities and the most common districts to be forged are identified in Michel with a zero price. Unfortunately, "Berlin 4" is one of these.

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whitebuffalo
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14 Sep 2016
10:20:26am
re: 1947 Germany-Berlin Overprint

Thanks guys!

So, when these are refered to as forgeries, are we talking about someone at a post office, picking up an original overprint stamp and stamping the daylights out of any and every stamp they can get their hands on, purely for the purpose of creating a saleable item?

The reason I pursue this, is because I picked these up from an estate sale and the original owner was a collector who was stationed in Europe just prior and until just after WWII. I think he told me once, that he had been collecting since the early 1930's.

Of course, this doesn't prove anything, but it did make me wonder if he actually acquired these first hand while there. I don't know the complete history of his service, but I do know that he was stationed in France at some point during his time in Europe.

As always, I appreciate any input,


WB

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nigelc
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14 Sep 2016
06:32:05pm
re: 1947 Germany-Berlin Overprint

The forgeries will refer to forged handstamps used on genuine stamps.

The basic stamps were available in large quantities in the Russian sector (as they had been in general use there until the sudden currency change).

If I understand the catalogue correctly. the Hanover Trade Fair stamps shown in your scan were not genuinely overprinted for any of the districts within the Berlin area.

I expect that the handstamp used on all of the stamps in the scan was fake. Sad


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whitebuffalo
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14 Sep 2016
08:59:07pm
re: 1947 Germany-Berlin Overprint

Thanks Nigel, I'll mark them as fakes and put them to rest.

WB

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whitebuffalo

13 Sep 2016
09:42:58pm

Need a little help with these. I found the stamps listed on Stamp World under Joint Allied Occupation Zone, but without the Berlin overprint. The Berlin section doesn't show them at all. Also, in the Berlin section, none of the overprints had the the "3" and "4". So, are these listed in any of the other catalogs? Were they overprinted long after their 1947 printing? Are they anything special?

Thanks for any help,


WB

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michael78651

14 Sep 2016
08:18:26am

re: 1947 Germany-Berlin Overprint

The overprints were applied for use in the Russian occupation zone. They are considered local in nature. The note regarding these is found in Scott at the beginning to the listings for German Democratic Republic. Forged overprints are common.

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nigelc

14 Sep 2016
09:46:14am

re: 1947 Germany-Berlin Overprint

Hello WB,

There are thousands of these overprints which follow a common format of a large "OPD" number followed by the postal district name

The large number is typically the OPD (Oberpostdirektion) number identifying the old high-level German postal administration regions. For example, in an earlier posting here we saw examples with "16" referring to OPD Erfurt in Thuringia. Here it is "3" which Michel refers to as "Magistratspost Berlin" rather than an OPD.

My 1999 Michel Germany Specialised catalogue lists all the postal districts that were involved in this overprinting within each OPD.

Here the postal district is "Berlin 4".

Many of these overprints were forged in large quantities and the most common districts to be forged are identified in Michel with a zero price. Unfortunately, "Berlin 4" is one of these.

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whitebuffalo

14 Sep 2016
10:20:26am

re: 1947 Germany-Berlin Overprint

Thanks guys!

So, when these are refered to as forgeries, are we talking about someone at a post office, picking up an original overprint stamp and stamping the daylights out of any and every stamp they can get their hands on, purely for the purpose of creating a saleable item?

The reason I pursue this, is because I picked these up from an estate sale and the original owner was a collector who was stationed in Europe just prior and until just after WWII. I think he told me once, that he had been collecting since the early 1930's.

Of course, this doesn't prove anything, but it did make me wonder if he actually acquired these first hand while there. I don't know the complete history of his service, but I do know that he was stationed in France at some point during his time in Europe.

As always, I appreciate any input,


WB

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nigelc

14 Sep 2016
06:32:05pm

re: 1947 Germany-Berlin Overprint

The forgeries will refer to forged handstamps used on genuine stamps.

The basic stamps were available in large quantities in the Russian sector (as they had been in general use there until the sudden currency change).

If I understand the catalogue correctly. the Hanover Trade Fair stamps shown in your scan were not genuinely overprinted for any of the districts within the Berlin area.

I expect that the handstamp used on all of the stamps in the scan was fake. Sad


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whitebuffalo

14 Sep 2016
08:59:07pm

re: 1947 Germany-Berlin Overprint

Thanks Nigel, I'll mark them as fakes and put them to rest.

WB

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