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General Philatelic/Gen. Discussion : Measurements?

 

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whitebuffalo
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07 Oct 2016
11:59:43am
When a catalog gives a measurement for a stamp, does that measurement pertain to the actual printed are? (i.e. outer edge of the frame on a 1910's-20's 1 cent Washington/Franklin)

Probably a rookie question, but if the shoe fits...Happy

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07 Oct 2016
01:11:59pm
re: Measurements?

Q/ Does the catalog state that the dimensions are those of the design?

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07 Oct 2016
02:14:48pm
re: Measurements?

No. As an example it says, Size: 19 x 22 1/2. I assume these are in mm.


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seanpashby
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07 Oct 2016
02:18:30pm
re: Measurements?

The measurement is from frame line to frame line and it is in mm.

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michael78651

07 Oct 2016
02:21:20pm
re: Measurements?

The measurements, unless stated otherwise, pertain to the printed area of the stamp.

Some stamps of the same design from Argentina, for example, were printed with different margin sizes. It is easiest to identify them by paper size. Scott does mention it when a stamp's given dimensions relate to the paper size.

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whitebuffalo
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07 Oct 2016
04:57:19pm
re: Measurements?

Thanks, I thought so, but I came across a couple that weren't making any sense, so thought I'd double check.

Appreciate the help,


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09 Nov 2016
09:10:05pm
re: Measurements?

thank's for the lesson, this is a great site for learning, as i am new to stamp collecting, regards avro 748.Thumbs Up

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14 Nov 2016
09:54:11pm
re: Measurements?

Typically the overall size of the design is given when essentially the same stamp exists with a different size. For US stamps this is most useful in the 3rd Bureau to identify some coils, coil waste, and sheet waste. A 3rd Bureau Flat Plate stamp design measures 19 mm x 22 mm. Because the Rotary Press plates were curved to fit on the press, the design is stretched in one direction. Sidewise coils are about 19.5 mm wide. Endwise coils are about 22.5 mm tall.

Measurement also identifies the 4th Bureau coil waste stamps since they came from sidewise coils whereas the sheet stamps were stretched longways. In fact, you could ID all of the Flat Plate versus Rotary Press issues of the 4th Bureau by measuring the image, but measuring perfs is a LOT easier!

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whitebuffalo

07 Oct 2016
11:59:43am

When a catalog gives a measurement for a stamp, does that measurement pertain to the actual printed are? (i.e. outer edge of the frame on a 1910's-20's 1 cent Washington/Franklin)

Probably a rookie question, but if the shoe fits...Happy

Thanks,


WB

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ikeyPikey

07 Oct 2016
01:11:59pm

re: Measurements?

Q/ Does the catalog state that the dimensions are those of the design?

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whitebuffalo

07 Oct 2016
02:14:48pm

re: Measurements?

No. As an example it says, Size: 19 x 22 1/2. I assume these are in mm.


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seanpashby

07 Oct 2016
02:18:30pm

re: Measurements?

The measurement is from frame line to frame line and it is in mm.

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michael78651

07 Oct 2016
02:21:20pm

re: Measurements?

The measurements, unless stated otherwise, pertain to the printed area of the stamp.

Some stamps of the same design from Argentina, for example, were printed with different margin sizes. It is easiest to identify them by paper size. Scott does mention it when a stamp's given dimensions relate to the paper size.

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whitebuffalo

07 Oct 2016
04:57:19pm

re: Measurements?

Thanks, I thought so, but I came across a couple that weren't making any sense, so thought I'd double check.

Appreciate the help,


WB

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avro748

09 Nov 2016
09:10:05pm

re: Measurements?

thank's for the lesson, this is a great site for learning, as i am new to stamp collecting, regards avro 748.Thumbs Up

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14 Nov 2016
09:54:11pm

re: Measurements?

Typically the overall size of the design is given when essentially the same stamp exists with a different size. For US stamps this is most useful in the 3rd Bureau to identify some coils, coil waste, and sheet waste. A 3rd Bureau Flat Plate stamp design measures 19 mm x 22 mm. Because the Rotary Press plates were curved to fit on the press, the design is stretched in one direction. Sidewise coils are about 19.5 mm wide. Endwise coils are about 22.5 mm tall.

Measurement also identifies the 4th Bureau coil waste stamps since they came from sidewise coils whereas the sheet stamps were stretched longways. In fact, you could ID all of the Flat Plate versus Rotary Press issues of the 4th Bureau by measuring the image, but measuring perfs is a LOT easier!

Lars

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