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General Philatelic/Identify This? : 2016 USA Flag Plate Number Question

 

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Sally

04 Feb 2017
04:01:07pm
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Top image shows Scott # 5052 with plate number S11111

Middle image shows one I cannot identify (last image is a closeup).

According to Linn's, the Flag coils were only issued by Sennett and Ashton Potter. The Ashton Potter is a different die cut. It looks like a "B" to me but could it just be an overinked "S"? Die cut measures the same as the Sennett (11 vertical)

Any opinions welcome.

(By the way, these images were taken using a USB microscope from Celestron and Windows 10. I just plugged it into the USB port and the "Camera" app appeared. I had be putting off trying it since changing to Windows 10 after the problems others have reported.)
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04 Feb 2017
05:38:42pm
re: 2016 USA Flag Plate Number Question

Scott catalog says Microprinted with USPS to right of pole under flag is number 5054 Booklet Value mint $1.00

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Sally

04 Feb 2017
06:20:47pm
re: 2016 USA Flag Plate Number Question

Thanks but I think 5054 is the booklet. This may be hard to see but it is a coil stamp. The microprinting is in the same place because the printer was the same.

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04 Feb 2017
10:22:21pm
re: 2016 USA Flag Plate Number Question

BCA (Banknote Corporation of America) often printed stamps for SSP (Sennett Security Products) with an "S" prefix (see 4127, 4131, 4133, 4187, 4191, 4158, 4391, and 4392 as recent examples). BCA also used a "B" prefix at times (see 3623, 3633, and 3784), but I think that means they were primary contractor. 3633A is an example of a stamp printed by Guilford Gravure for BCA with a B prefix.

It appears that the contract simply went directly to BCA, bypassing SSP, and Linn's hasn't caught up to that or you missed something in the fine print.

The other possibility is that an improper prefix was used and you might have a dandy error. I would hang on to it until proper documentation is published, just in case, but I wouldn't get my hopes too high.

That's my guess.

Lars

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Sally

04 Feb 2017
10:53:48pm
re: 2016 USA Flag Plate Number Question

Thanks Lars. I have a bunch of them with an "S" but this is the only one that looks like a "B".

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04 Feb 2017
11:24:57pm
re: 2016 USA Flag Plate Number Question

Try this Linn's link for info on the new B11111 plate number.

New plate number on Flag forever coil reflects printer changes

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05 Feb 2017
06:09:14am
re: 2016 USA Flag Plate Number Question

SSP was purchased by BCA and now some reprints have the B prefix.

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05 Feb 2017
09:01:18am
re: 2016 USA Flag Plate Number Question

Very good info in the Michael Baadke article!

This is why I love this club - great help from everyone!

Well done!









Randy

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Sally

05 Feb 2017
10:29:06am
re: 2016 USA Flag Plate Number Question

khj - oh thank you! I missed that article in Linn's. Appreciate the help.

Sally

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Sally
04 Feb 2017
04:01:07pm

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Top image shows Scott # 5052 with plate number S11111

Middle image shows one I cannot identify (last image is a closeup).

According to Linn's, the Flag coils were only issued by Sennett and Ashton Potter. The Ashton Potter is a different die cut. It looks like a "B" to me but could it just be an overinked "S"? Die cut measures the same as the Sennett (11 vertical)

Any opinions welcome.

(By the way, these images were taken using a USB microscope from Celestron and Windows 10. I just plugged it into the USB port and the "Camera" app appeared. I had be putting off trying it since changing to Windows 10 after the problems others have reported.)

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04 Feb 2017
05:38:42pm

re: 2016 USA Flag Plate Number Question

Scott catalog says Microprinted with USPS to right of pole under flag is number 5054 Booklet Value mint $1.00

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Sally
04 Feb 2017
06:20:47pm

re: 2016 USA Flag Plate Number Question

Thanks but I think 5054 is the booklet. This may be hard to see but it is a coil stamp. The microprinting is in the same place because the printer was the same.

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04 Feb 2017
10:22:21pm

re: 2016 USA Flag Plate Number Question

BCA (Banknote Corporation of America) often printed stamps for SSP (Sennett Security Products) with an "S" prefix (see 4127, 4131, 4133, 4187, 4191, 4158, 4391, and 4392 as recent examples). BCA also used a "B" prefix at times (see 3623, 3633, and 3784), but I think that means they were primary contractor. 3633A is an example of a stamp printed by Guilford Gravure for BCA with a B prefix.

It appears that the contract simply went directly to BCA, bypassing SSP, and Linn's hasn't caught up to that or you missed something in the fine print.

The other possibility is that an improper prefix was used and you might have a dandy error. I would hang on to it until proper documentation is published, just in case, but I wouldn't get my hopes too high.

That's my guess.

Lars

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Sally
04 Feb 2017
10:53:48pm

re: 2016 USA Flag Plate Number Question

Thanks Lars. I have a bunch of them with an "S" but this is the only one that looks like a "B".

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04 Feb 2017
11:24:57pm

re: 2016 USA Flag Plate Number Question

Try this Linn's link for info on the new B11111 plate number.

New plate number on Flag forever coil reflects printer changes

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Al
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05 Feb 2017
06:09:14am

re: 2016 USA Flag Plate Number Question

SSP was purchased by BCA and now some reprints have the B prefix.

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APS #213005
05 Feb 2017
09:01:18am

re: 2016 USA Flag Plate Number Question

Very good info in the Michael Baadke article!

This is why I love this club - great help from everyone!

Well done!









Randy

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Sally
05 Feb 2017
10:29:06am

re: 2016 USA Flag Plate Number Question

khj - oh thank you! I missed that article in Linn's. Appreciate the help.

Sally

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