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05:41:20pm
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I may be mistaken, but I think they were overprinted for the middle east countries. NP is actually a currency, Naye Paise, or New Pies.
WB
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06:00:26pm
Yes, but which country?
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I believe throughout all of Eastern Arabia. Muscat, Qatar, Abu Dabai, Dubai, Oman, not sure about India, but possibly. Not an expert, just going from memory.
WB
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Here's a link that might help.
http://www.gbos.org.uk/index.php/Country_List/8
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06:43:59pm
Great! Thank you! 
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06:50:31pm
Found them under Muscat in my 1961 Scott - thanks a ton!
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Just found them under Oman.
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Correct description is "British Postal Agencies in Eastern Arabia".Originally overprinted in paise,annas and rupees ( Indian currency), then when India changed currency, new currency used.
Valid in Dubai,Qatar,Umm Said,Abu Dhabi,Das Island and Muscat. They were also used for a short time in Kuwait when stamps were in short supply ,and have been commercially used in Bahrain.
Information courtesy of Stanley Gibbons Commonwealth catalogue.
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09:39:10pm
So, out of curiosity, where would one place them in the albums? Granted, I'll probably get rid of them since I collect WW only to the end of the war - at max. 1950 but where would they be listed in Scott International if my albums went up a bit further?
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12:31:05am
So, out of curiosity, where would one place them in the albums? ...."
The easy and perhaps, to some, flippant answer, is, of course, anywhere you want to.
Joking aside I have all overprints of Wildings, GV and GVIs, regardless of where they were supposedly to be used, at the end of the Wilding's pages of my hand made UK album.
However I later acquired some added examples and the Minkus album has spaces for both Mucat and Oman. They could also be inserted with any postally used issues of the "Sultinate of Oman" and also the whole group with United Arab Emirates.
Here is a note, watch when sorting through large lots of common used India stamps for examples postmarked for the towns of the Persian Gulf states. Since the 1860s British stamps of India were used in the gulf states, and can only be identified by their cancellation, I have found a few in large lots that many collectors consider "junk" stamps.
One more thought, I believe that I read a note somewhere that the overwhelming majority of the "Muscat and Oman" overprinted Wildings were printed in Britain to satisfy British collectors.
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"One more thought, I believe that I read a note somewhere that the overwhelming majority of the "Muscat and Oman" overprinted Wildings were printed in Britain to satisfy British collectors."
That wouldn't be all that unusual for the smaller British territories and post offices abroad.
I bet a lot more of these were used commercially in the Gulf area than have been used over the years on Pitcairn, and in the British Antarctic Territory, South Georgia and the BIOT to name a few of the more extreme examples.
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I have another one I cannot identify. Does anyone has an idea? Thank you for your knowledge. Michel
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Hi,
This stamp has a commercial overprint for revenue use to pay the 2d tax on receipts etc.
Companies applied these to prevent theft as once they were overprinted they were no longer valid for postage (and could not be used on letters or cashed in at a post office).
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I can't make out the letters on my screen. Can you look at the actual stamp and tell me what they read ? I may be able to surmise or make an educated guess. There are actually thousands of these with most of them being able to be easily worked out. Four initials will be a challenge !
Malcolm
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Malcolm, I'm sure they are SEGB, which if memory serves correct was South Eastern Gas Board and would have been on a receipt for bill payment.
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If the letters are SEGB then I concur. My eyesight can't be as good as yours - I did actually see the B on the end, so it had to be Gas, Electricity or Water !!
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09:57:33am
Yes surrie, thousands upon thousands, And while they are actually revenues, as used they make a nice couple of pages as a sub topic to the pre-decimal Elizabethan issues. On my to do list is to actually figure out the names of the utilities that overprinted them.
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Not just utilities, but local councils ( for collection of Rates -property tax to you),Insurance companies,commercial enterprises of all types and even on your Birth Certificate, although unoverprinted stamps were used for these.
Bank cheques too had them, but latterly this was an imprint printed on cheques at the printing stage - and the money was paid by the bank to the exchequer direct.
All "financial instruments" were subject to the tax, originally 1d, but latterly 2d up to abolition.
Good job it was abolished too - then the post office was a direct Government Department so the "revenue" went into the same "pot" as the postage.
Can you imagine the palpitations of the auditors now that the Post Office is a seperate entity ?
Malcolm
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22 Apr 2017
05:41:20pm
For the life of me I cannot recall what country these are for - I know it's a simple answer but total brain freeze here!
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I may be mistaken, but I think they were overprinted for the middle east countries. NP is actually a currency, Naye Paise, or New Pies.
WB
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22 Apr 2017
06:00:26pm
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Yes, but which country?
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I believe throughout all of Eastern Arabia. Muscat, Qatar, Abu Dabai, Dubai, Oman, not sure about India, but possibly. Not an expert, just going from memory.
WB
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Here's a link that might help.
http://www.gbos.org.uk/index.php/Country_List/8
WB
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22 Apr 2017
06:43:59pm
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Great! Thank you!
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22 Apr 2017
06:50:31pm
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Found them under Muscat in my 1961 Scott - thanks a ton!
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01:30:22pm
re: GB Overprint
Correct description is "British Postal Agencies in Eastern Arabia".Originally overprinted in paise,annas and rupees ( Indian currency), then when India changed currency, new currency used.
Valid in Dubai,Qatar,Umm Said,Abu Dhabi,Das Island and Muscat. They were also used for a short time in Kuwait when stamps were in short supply ,and have been commercially used in Bahrain.
Information courtesy of Stanley Gibbons Commonwealth catalogue.
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23 Apr 2017
09:39:10pm
re: GB Overprint
So, out of curiosity, where would one place them in the albums? Granted, I'll probably get rid of them since I collect WW only to the end of the war - at max. 1950 but where would they be listed in Scott International if my albums went up a bit further?
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25 Apr 2017
12:31:05am
re: GB Overprint
So, out of curiosity, where would one place them in the albums? ...."
The easy and perhaps, to some, flippant answer, is, of course, anywhere you want to.
Joking aside I have all overprints of Wildings, GV and GVIs, regardless of where they were supposedly to be used, at the end of the Wilding's pages of my hand made UK album.
However I later acquired some added examples and the Minkus album has spaces for both Mucat and Oman. They could also be inserted with any postally used issues of the "Sultinate of Oman" and also the whole group with United Arab Emirates.
Here is a note, watch when sorting through large lots of common used India stamps for examples postmarked for the towns of the Persian Gulf states. Since the 1860s British stamps of India were used in the gulf states, and can only be identified by their cancellation, I have found a few in large lots that many collectors consider "junk" stamps.
One more thought, I believe that I read a note somewhere that the overwhelming majority of the "Muscat and Oman" overprinted Wildings were printed in Britain to satisfy British collectors.
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"One more thought, I believe that I read a note somewhere that the overwhelming majority of the "Muscat and Oman" overprinted Wildings were printed in Britain to satisfy British collectors."
That wouldn't be all that unusual for the smaller British territories and post offices abroad.
I bet a lot more of these were used commercially in the Gulf area than have been used over the years on Pitcairn, and in the British Antarctic Territory, South Georgia and the BIOT to name a few of the more extreme examples.
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09:04:09pm
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I have another one I cannot identify. Does anyone has an idea? Thank you for your knowledge. Michel
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re: GB Overprint
Hi,
This stamp has a commercial overprint for revenue use to pay the 2d tax on receipts etc.
Companies applied these to prevent theft as once they were overprinted they were no longer valid for postage (and could not be used on letters or cashed in at a post office).
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12:31:39pm
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I can't make out the letters on my screen. Can you look at the actual stamp and tell me what they read ? I may be able to surmise or make an educated guess. There are actually thousands of these with most of them being able to be easily worked out. Four initials will be a challenge !
Malcolm
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Malcolm, I'm sure they are SEGB, which if memory serves correct was South Eastern Gas Board and would have been on a receipt for bill payment.
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03:29:23pm
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If the letters are SEGB then I concur. My eyesight can't be as good as yours - I did actually see the B on the end, so it had to be Gas, Electricity or Water !!
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11 Jul 2017
09:57:33am
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Yes surrie, thousands upon thousands, And while they are actually revenues, as used they make a nice couple of pages as a sub topic to the pre-decimal Elizabethan issues. On my to do list is to actually figure out the names of the utilities that overprinted them.
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10:11:28am
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Charlie
Not just utilities, but local councils ( for collection of Rates -property tax to you),Insurance companies,commercial enterprises of all types and even on your Birth Certificate, although unoverprinted stamps were used for these.
Bank cheques too had them, but latterly this was an imprint printed on cheques at the printing stage - and the money was paid by the bank to the exchequer direct.
All "financial instruments" were subject to the tax, originally 1d, but latterly 2d up to abolition.
Good job it was abolished too - then the post office was a direct Government Department so the "revenue" went into the same "pot" as the postage.
Can you imagine the palpitations of the auditors now that the Post Office is a seperate entity ?
Malcolm
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