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No listings anywhere I can see except for one cover of this 2 center on Ebay.
Starting to feel like the guy asking Johnny Bench for his autograph.
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The stamp shown is Scott # 786 Issued January 15, 1937
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Actually, there's a block of of #786 & bl. of 4 of #791 on a combination FDC. This is the kind of thing James Farley did for FDR because he was a stamp collector.
What I'm trying to get is an idea of the value of them.
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I can't identify the cachetmaker of this cover, but it is unlikely to be Farley. Mellone's "Alphabetical Reference by Cachetmaker 1925 to 2005" lists the first Farley cachet date as April 1, 1939 for Scott #853 (Planty #38).
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Ok! after a Hades of a lot of searching I found an FDC of #789 with the same drawing of Westpoint as is on this cover. While I can't confirm it for for sure I think the cachetmaker is Ralph Dyer. Still can't find much in the way of value although some of Dyer's cacheted covers went for big bucks at auction. BTW: the #789 cover I did find was autographed by James A. Farley. Also the one combo cover I found on Ebay is not cacheted.
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thought you might like to see the other 2 covers.
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oh! almost forgot. The "First Day Cover" printing exactly matches other Dyer cacheted covers.
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I know this is an old thread but I just stumbled across it and was immediately intrigued with the snot marks in the center of each cover. It hit me that there was possibly a photograph glued to each that had dried out and fell off.
That took me to the trusty (sorta) source of eBay where I looked up Dyer (army,navy). I found a bunch of entries, none of which remotely looked like the covers.
And the eBay listing had this history that I thought was very interesting (new to me) so I am pirating it to share here:
POSTAL HISTORY NOTES and the ARTCRAFT BACKSTORY
About Artcraft Cachets, Washington Stamp Exchange, Leo and Sam August, Ralph Dyer, W. F. Nardone, and John Coulthard. What follows is courtesy of my mentor Charles Merrill, Esq. retired, Denver, Colorado.
Washington Stamp Exchange (WSE) is a corporate cachet maker founded in 1929 by Artist Leo August, and his brother Sam August. WSE was first operated from Leo August’s residence at 510 So. 18th St. in the Roseville Ave Section of Newark NJ.By the late 1930s Washington Stamp Exchange moved to a shop at 128 Market Street, Newark NJ, on the corner of Halsey St., across the street from the now defunct L. Bamberger Sons Dept Store (part of R. H. Macy), which ran an extensive philatelics department as late as the 1960s. The August Brothers also owned and operated a printing company called Washington Press, a few blocks away at 43 William St. in Newark.
The First WSE Cachet on an FDC was Leo August’s #702-2, 2c Red Cross, 5/21/31, but an earlier non-FDC WSE Cachet exists for #654, 2c Electric Light, issued 6/5/29.(Monty et al., First Cachets Revealed, 2006, p. 27). WSE grew into a powerful cachet house by retaining the services of a number of talented cachet artists.In addition to Leo August, some of its contract artists were Ralph Dyer (1928-1938), John Coulthard (1936-1948), (Coulthard also worked for the Fitts Company’s Cachet Craft), W. F. Nardone (1937), and John W. Clifford (1938-1939) (discussed in a separate biography).
Ralph Dyer was located at 716-720 St. Anne’s Ave, Bronx, NY in 1928, but by 1933 had moved to 338 Tom Hunter Rd., Fort Lee, Bergen County, NJ.Dyer was a pioneering cachetmaker in his own name, but is best known as a prolific contract artist for Washington Stamp Exchange (WSE) of Leo and Sam August in Newark.While Dyer was still producing Cachets in his individual name, his Cachets were Serviced by Washington Stamp Exchange, and also by Bernet’s Air Mail Cover Service, also in Newark NJ.
Ralph Dyer’s FDC career was significantly influenced by Morris C. Rothblum and Harry Citret –all of them active in the Ridgefield Park NJ Stamp Club during the 1920s.With the emergence of the Fourth Bureau Regular Postage Issue of 1922-25, many members of the Stamp Club (particularly Harry Citret, then a lawyer for Bamberger’s Department Store in Newark, and later a philatelic dealer at 66 Park Place in Newark) were becoming interested in FDCs.Citret talked Dyer into adding printed Cachets to some of Citret’s uncacheted FDCs.When Dyer heard that Rothblum was also printing Cachets for his own FDC collection, Dyer and Rothblum began exchanging Cachet designs and supplying them to Citret and other members of the Ridgefield Park Stamp Club.Dyer and Rothblum continued to inspire each other throughout the 1930s as they both grew into talented and sophisticated Cachet-makers. Rothblum’s cachets are scarcer and less well known than Dyer’s because Rothblum produced cachets only as a sidelight, while Dyer became a driving force for Leo August’s WSE.
The First Dyer Cachet was #646-19b, 2c Valley Forge, issued 10/20/28. (Monty et al., First Cachets Revealed, 2006; Mellone, Planty Vol. II, 1994, p. 8). As contract artist for WSE, one of Dyer’s most beautiful sets is #740/749 National Parks Series of 1934, (Mellone & Newton, 1979, p. 19; Mellone, Planty Vol. VII, 1997, pp. 19-20). Subsequent to the #740/749 Set, Ralph Dyer produced many Cachets individually, but the earliest I have seen signed by both WSE and Dyer is the #776-10, 3c Texas issued 3/2/36. (Mellone, Planty Vol. IX, 1998, p. 8). The Last Dyer Cachet I have seen is a WSE/Dyer cachet, #837-8, 3c Northwest Territory, issued 7/15/38. (Mellone, Planty Vol. XV, 2004, p 44.)I have seen an unlisted #1264 5c New Jersey Cachet (6/15/64), a Maul Hand-Painted Cachet, addressed to Ralph Dyer at 1612 Anderson Ave., Fort Lee NJ (Item #741, John F. Jones FDC Phone Auction #48, 5/26/12.
W. F. Nardone.
The earliest WSE Cachet by Artist W. F. Nardone I have seen is four different varieties of #798-36 3c Constitution Adoption 7/17/37, which is my candidate for the first Nardone Cachet for WSE.I have not seen a later Cachet by Nardone.
ARTCRAFT CACHETS
On 4/1/39 in Newark, Leo and Sam August’s Washington Press launched the Artcraft Cachet brand for the #853-4 3c Worlds Fair issue.This engraved-from-photo cachet was immediately successful, and it sharply reduced WSE’s need for expensive custom art work from Ralph Dyer and other contract arts.I know of no later WSE/Dyer collaboration after the #837-8 issued 7/15/38, mentioned above.
Artcraft engraved cachets are still being produced by Washington Press, which moved within Essex County, from Newark to the suburbs of Maplewood in the 1960s, and to 2 Vreeland Rd., Florham Park NJ in adjacent Morris County at the end of the 1970s.To my knowledge, the Last WSE Cachet produced by an artist (rather than as an engraved Artcraft Cachet) is #857-2, is the 3c Printing Tercentenary issued 9/25/39, drawn by WSE’s contract artist J.W. Coulthard.(Mellone, Planty Vol. XVIII, 2006, p. 27)
That snot mark got me thinking Crosby since he used photos in his cachets, but their set looks like the above cover.
I went through the entire eBay five pages of Army Navy FDCs and did a Google Image Search but still came up empty on these covers! Maybe bringing this thread to the top will nudge someone to identify them?
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"That snot mark got me thinking Crosby since he used photos in his cachets..."
My bet is that the 'snot mark' is residual glue from a mailing label that was intentionally removed after the item passed through the mails for privacy purposes.
I frequently find covers or postcards where there has been an intentional effort to obscure the identity of the addressee.
-Paul
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Ok! spent an hour searching for info on this. I have 3 of them . The 2c, 4c & 5c.
No listings anywhere I can see except for one cover of this 2 center on Ebay.
Starting to feel like the guy asking Johnny Bench for his autograph.
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The stamp shown is Scott # 786 Issued January 15, 1937
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re: Looks like a James Farley special to me!
Actually, there's a block of of #786 & bl. of 4 of #791 on a combination FDC. This is the kind of thing James Farley did for FDR because he was a stamp collector.
What I'm trying to get is an idea of the value of them.
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re: Looks like a James Farley special to me!
I can't identify the cachetmaker of this cover, but it is unlikely to be Farley. Mellone's "Alphabetical Reference by Cachetmaker 1925 to 2005" lists the first Farley cachet date as April 1, 1939 for Scott #853 (Planty #38).
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Ok! after a Hades of a lot of searching I found an FDC of #789 with the same drawing of Westpoint as is on this cover. While I can't confirm it for for sure I think the cachetmaker is Ralph Dyer. Still can't find much in the way of value although some of Dyer's cacheted covers went for big bucks at auction. BTW: the #789 cover I did find was autographed by James A. Farley. Also the one combo cover I found on Ebay is not cacheted.
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thought you might like to see the other 2 covers..
oh! almost forgot. The "First Day Cover" printing exactly matches other Dyer cacheted covers.
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I know this is an old thread but I just stumbled across it and was immediately intrigued with the snot marks in the center of each cover. It hit me that there was possibly a photograph glued to each that had dried out and fell off.
That took me to the trusty (sorta) source of eBay where I looked up Dyer (army,navy). I found a bunch of entries, none of which remotely looked like the covers.
And the eBay listing had this history that I thought was very interesting (new to me) so I am pirating it to share here:
POSTAL HISTORY NOTES and the ARTCRAFT BACKSTORY
About Artcraft Cachets, Washington Stamp Exchange, Leo and Sam August, Ralph Dyer, W. F. Nardone, and John Coulthard. What follows is courtesy of my mentor Charles Merrill, Esq. retired, Denver, Colorado.
Washington Stamp Exchange (WSE) is a corporate cachet maker founded in 1929 by Artist Leo August, and his brother Sam August. WSE was first operated from Leo August’s residence at 510 So. 18th St. in the Roseville Ave Section of Newark NJ.By the late 1930s Washington Stamp Exchange moved to a shop at 128 Market Street, Newark NJ, on the corner of Halsey St., across the street from the now defunct L. Bamberger Sons Dept Store (part of R. H. Macy), which ran an extensive philatelics department as late as the 1960s. The August Brothers also owned and operated a printing company called Washington Press, a few blocks away at 43 William St. in Newark.
The First WSE Cachet on an FDC was Leo August’s #702-2, 2c Red Cross, 5/21/31, but an earlier non-FDC WSE Cachet exists for #654, 2c Electric Light, issued 6/5/29.(Monty et al., First Cachets Revealed, 2006, p. 27). WSE grew into a powerful cachet house by retaining the services of a number of talented cachet artists.In addition to Leo August, some of its contract artists were Ralph Dyer (1928-1938), John Coulthard (1936-1948), (Coulthard also worked for the Fitts Company’s Cachet Craft), W. F. Nardone (1937), and John W. Clifford (1938-1939) (discussed in a separate biography).
Ralph Dyer was located at 716-720 St. Anne’s Ave, Bronx, NY in 1928, but by 1933 had moved to 338 Tom Hunter Rd., Fort Lee, Bergen County, NJ.Dyer was a pioneering cachetmaker in his own name, but is best known as a prolific contract artist for Washington Stamp Exchange (WSE) of Leo and Sam August in Newark.While Dyer was still producing Cachets in his individual name, his Cachets were Serviced by Washington Stamp Exchange, and also by Bernet’s Air Mail Cover Service, also in Newark NJ.
Ralph Dyer’s FDC career was significantly influenced by Morris C. Rothblum and Harry Citret –all of them active in the Ridgefield Park NJ Stamp Club during the 1920s.With the emergence of the Fourth Bureau Regular Postage Issue of 1922-25, many members of the Stamp Club (particularly Harry Citret, then a lawyer for Bamberger’s Department Store in Newark, and later a philatelic dealer at 66 Park Place in Newark) were becoming interested in FDCs.Citret talked Dyer into adding printed Cachets to some of Citret’s uncacheted FDCs.When Dyer heard that Rothblum was also printing Cachets for his own FDC collection, Dyer and Rothblum began exchanging Cachet designs and supplying them to Citret and other members of the Ridgefield Park Stamp Club.Dyer and Rothblum continued to inspire each other throughout the 1930s as they both grew into talented and sophisticated Cachet-makers. Rothblum’s cachets are scarcer and less well known than Dyer’s because Rothblum produced cachets only as a sidelight, while Dyer became a driving force for Leo August’s WSE.
The First Dyer Cachet was #646-19b, 2c Valley Forge, issued 10/20/28. (Monty et al., First Cachets Revealed, 2006; Mellone, Planty Vol. II, 1994, p. 8). As contract artist for WSE, one of Dyer’s most beautiful sets is #740/749 National Parks Series of 1934, (Mellone & Newton, 1979, p. 19; Mellone, Planty Vol. VII, 1997, pp. 19-20). Subsequent to the #740/749 Set, Ralph Dyer produced many Cachets individually, but the earliest I have seen signed by both WSE and Dyer is the #776-10, 3c Texas issued 3/2/36. (Mellone, Planty Vol. IX, 1998, p. 8). The Last Dyer Cachet I have seen is a WSE/Dyer cachet, #837-8, 3c Northwest Territory, issued 7/15/38. (Mellone, Planty Vol. XV, 2004, p 44.)I have seen an unlisted #1264 5c New Jersey Cachet (6/15/64), a Maul Hand-Painted Cachet, addressed to Ralph Dyer at 1612 Anderson Ave., Fort Lee NJ (Item #741, John F. Jones FDC Phone Auction #48, 5/26/12.
W. F. Nardone.
The earliest WSE Cachet by Artist W. F. Nardone I have seen is four different varieties of #798-36 3c Constitution Adoption 7/17/37, which is my candidate for the first Nardone Cachet for WSE.I have not seen a later Cachet by Nardone.
ARTCRAFT CACHETS
On 4/1/39 in Newark, Leo and Sam August’s Washington Press launched the Artcraft Cachet brand for the #853-4 3c Worlds Fair issue.This engraved-from-photo cachet was immediately successful, and it sharply reduced WSE’s need for expensive custom art work from Ralph Dyer and other contract arts.I know of no later WSE/Dyer collaboration after the #837-8 issued 7/15/38, mentioned above.
Artcraft engraved cachets are still being produced by Washington Press, which moved within Essex County, from Newark to the suburbs of Maplewood in the 1960s, and to 2 Vreeland Rd., Florham Park NJ in adjacent Morris County at the end of the 1970s.To my knowledge, the Last WSE Cachet produced by an artist (rather than as an engraved Artcraft Cachet) is #857-2, is the 3c Printing Tercentenary issued 9/25/39, drawn by WSE’s contract artist J.W. Coulthard.(Mellone, Planty Vol. XVIII, 2006, p. 27)
That snot mark got me thinking Crosby since he used photos in his cachets, but their set looks like the above cover.
I went through the entire eBay five pages of Army Navy FDCs and did a Google Image Search but still came up empty on these covers! Maybe bringing this thread to the top will nudge someone to identify them?
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re: Looks like a James Farley special to me!
"That snot mark got me thinking Crosby since he used photos in his cachets..."
My bet is that the 'snot mark' is residual glue from a mailing label that was intentionally removed after the item passed through the mails for privacy purposes.
I frequently find covers or postcards where there has been an intentional effort to obscure the identity of the addressee.
-Paul
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