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General Philatelic/Identify This? : Hand stamps 1600 to 1700's. (Updated)

 

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Mavakay78

08 Aug 2017
01:25:58pm
Hi..I need help identifying these. I have no idea what they are. I do know they are actual hand stamps and seen some that I have in auction but have not seen these ones anywhere.Is there a catelog for these? Thank you.Image Not Found

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08 Aug 2017
02:00:03pm
re: Hand stamps 1600 to 1700's. (Updated)

Okay one of the pictures is out of focus and most are too small to evaluate. Also it would be helpful to know more about the papers such as dates and whether they are correspondence or legal documents etc.

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Mavakay78

08 Aug 2017
02:08:18pm
re: Hand stamps 1600 to 1700's. (Updated)

Hi! Thanks for the response. Well as I was told when they were given to me was that they were clipped from postal mail and remained in the collection for years. To be honest, I do not know how to tell the differance and/or read the language. However, I will find a way to have these larger. Thank you, upmost appreciation.

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michael78651

08 Aug 2017
04:19:23pm
re: Hand stamps 1600 to 1700's. (Updated)

Too bad they were clipped from the documents. There is lost history there.

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Mavakay78

08 Aug 2017
06:29:28pm
re: Hand stamps 1600 to 1700's. (Updated)

I see, thank you so much the both of you. The other ones in the photo with the red ink have a 50 denomination and 8 sol it seems, could those be postage or would you say the same for all? Thank you again..Happy.

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michael78651

08 Aug 2017
06:42:44pm
re: Hand stamps 1600 to 1700's. (Updated)

I don't think any are postage-related. They are probably what is called "revenue stamped paper", so any denomination was actually a tax that was assessed.

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Mavakay78

08 Aug 2017
09:39:25pm
re: Hand stamps 1600 to 1700's. (Updated)

Hi! Here are better scans as requested. Turns out they most all have denominations. They were just too difficult to see on the prior scans. I apologize and thank you.

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09 Aug 2017
06:05:21pm
re: Hand stamps 1600 to 1700's. (Updated)

A closer look shows many of these stamps have denominations. Those stamps with denominations are for the payment of revenue. The papers they are clipped from are therefore not covers, but legal documents.

The denomination of "Sol" was used from the 12th through 17th and perhaps early 18th century, so they are likely from the 1500's-early 1700's.

Others are likely personal and/or professional seals of businessmen, attorneys, notaries or public officials of some sort.

Beyond that I cannot say much. I once had access to a wonderful website on French fiscal stamps that may be of assistance. If I find it, I will post it here.

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09 Aug 2017
09:30:58pm
re: Hand stamps 1600 to 1700's. (Updated)

Here is a website about old family arms which may be of related interest.

http://autrebord.pagesperso-orange.fr/articles_genealogie/entiers-fiscaux/timbres.html

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09 Aug 2017
09:44:30pm
re: Hand stamps 1600 to 1700's. (Updated)

Okay, I found a book on these. It is in French, but it is digitized, so you can read it online.

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k67059j/f5.image

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Mavakay78

09 Aug 2017
10:05:44pm
re: Hand stamps 1600 to 1700's. (Updated)

Smauggie,

Wowwwww...how on earth did you find this? I was able to translate with google. I think I recognized nearly all of mine..soooooo soooooo interesting. I love this stuff. I would like to incase them or something of some nature. I wonder if they are more common than not, but I have never seen them before until I bought these off some fellow getting rid of his collection (or grandfather's prior) because of how unique they were. Thank you so very much! Happy.

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Mavakay78

08 Aug 2017
01:25:58pm

Hi..I need help identifying these. I have no idea what they are. I do know they are actual hand stamps and seen some that I have in auction but have not seen these ones anywhere.Is there a catelog for these? Thank you.Image Not Found

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smauggie

08 Aug 2017
02:00:03pm

re: Hand stamps 1600 to 1700's. (Updated)

Okay one of the pictures is out of focus and most are too small to evaluate. Also it would be helpful to know more about the papers such as dates and whether they are correspondence or legal documents etc.

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Mavakay78

08 Aug 2017
02:08:18pm

re: Hand stamps 1600 to 1700's. (Updated)

Hi! Thanks for the response. Well as I was told when they were given to me was that they were clipped from postal mail and remained in the collection for years. To be honest, I do not know how to tell the differance and/or read the language. However, I will find a way to have these larger. Thank you, upmost appreciation.

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michael78651

08 Aug 2017
04:19:23pm

re: Hand stamps 1600 to 1700's. (Updated)

Too bad they were clipped from the documents. There is lost history there.

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Mavakay78

08 Aug 2017
06:29:28pm

re: Hand stamps 1600 to 1700's. (Updated)

I see, thank you so much the both of you. The other ones in the photo with the red ink have a 50 denomination and 8 sol it seems, could those be postage or would you say the same for all? Thank you again..Happy.

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michael78651

08 Aug 2017
06:42:44pm

re: Hand stamps 1600 to 1700's. (Updated)

I don't think any are postage-related. They are probably what is called "revenue stamped paper", so any denomination was actually a tax that was assessed.

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Mavakay78

08 Aug 2017
09:39:25pm

re: Hand stamps 1600 to 1700's. (Updated)

Hi! Here are better scans as requested. Turns out they most all have denominations. They were just too difficult to see on the prior scans. I apologize and thank you.

Image Not FoundImage Not FoundImage Not FoundImage Not Found

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smauggie

09 Aug 2017
06:05:21pm

re: Hand stamps 1600 to 1700's. (Updated)

A closer look shows many of these stamps have denominations. Those stamps with denominations are for the payment of revenue. The papers they are clipped from are therefore not covers, but legal documents.

The denomination of "Sol" was used from the 12th through 17th and perhaps early 18th century, so they are likely from the 1500's-early 1700's.

Others are likely personal and/or professional seals of businessmen, attorneys, notaries or public officials of some sort.

Beyond that I cannot say much. I once had access to a wonderful website on French fiscal stamps that may be of assistance. If I find it, I will post it here.

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smauggie

09 Aug 2017
09:30:58pm

re: Hand stamps 1600 to 1700's. (Updated)

Here is a website about old family arms which may be of related interest.

http://autrebord.pagesperso-orange.fr/articles_genealogie/entiers-fiscaux/timbres.html

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smauggie

09 Aug 2017
09:44:30pm

re: Hand stamps 1600 to 1700's. (Updated)

Okay, I found a book on these. It is in French, but it is digitized, so you can read it online.

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k67059j/f5.image

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Mavakay78

09 Aug 2017
10:05:44pm

re: Hand stamps 1600 to 1700's. (Updated)

Smauggie,

Wowwwww...how on earth did you find this? I was able to translate with google. I think I recognized nearly all of mine..soooooo soooooo interesting. I love this stuff. I would like to incase them or something of some nature. I wonder if they are more common than not, but I have never seen them before until I bought these off some fellow getting rid of his collection (or grandfather's prior) because of how unique they were. Thank you so very much! Happy.

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