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We may need a much clearer image to be able to identify these....
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Larger picture....I wonder if the horizontal inscription on each side of the picture is another language rather than just part of the design.... 
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Here is one inscription.
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Here's another.
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Found it. These are 1945 Chinese Communist local issues from the northeast China area. Manchu script, I think. Apparently not much value.
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OK, ChiCom explains a lot.
But wait, that's Sun Yat Sen, correct?
Was he not anathema to the Communist movement?
On first glance, I thought, "those MUST be forgeries".
Very poor production quality, no?
Doesn't necessarily detract from their collectibility, and may be another 'adversity' dimension!
Would love to see some usages of these on cover!
-Paul
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12:48:24am
" ... But wait, that's Sun Yat Sen, correct?
Was he not anathema to the Communist movement?... "
No, Chiang Kai-shek, might be considered "anathema" to the CPU.
Sun Yat Sen was the father of the Chinese Republic,
their "George Washington" (***), and both the KMT, (Kuomintang)
and the Communists hail Dr. Sun, claiming to be his political heir.
There is a picture of Sun Yat Sen in Tienamein Square
and some two or three years ago the Central Committee
honored Sun Yat Sen's 150th anniversary of his birth.
So his image on stamps of the WW II era was not unusual.
(***) Possibly more like a Thomas Jefferson, or James Madison as a thinker.
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"No, Chiang Kai-shek, might be considered "anathema" to the CPU.
Sun Yat Sen was the father of the Chinese Republic"
Ya, I realized I was confusing those two shortly after I posted that...
Unforgivable, given how much I have read about the Flying Tigers...
-Paul
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07:49:02am
" ... Would love to see some usages of these on cover! ..."
Wouldn't we all !
First off literacy for the common man in China was never very high on the leaders or rulers of the Chinese peoples. The war lords who payed only lip service to such modern ideas followed that custom. I believe the other 50% of the population, women, had even less formal education.
So if you cannot write you will neither receive nor send letters.
Next we have to consider the chaos and destruction of WW-II, which actually started in the early 1930's in China and to some, in Ethiopia, years before Pearl Harbor, or the Attack on Poland in 1939. It also lingered on til the Nationalists escaped to Formosa. (Taiwan)
What few stamp collections, or even collectors, were left barely survived to see books and signs of old thinking burned in the streets.
That makes the existence of such an envelope a gem to be prized.
Most Euro-American collectors are put off by the strange calligraphy ( logograms )and linguistics so they toss a few sample Chinese stamps in the album boxes and move on to that mint, never in the same room as a hinge, issue from Outer Thumbellina.
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"that mint, never in the same room as a hinge"
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06:42:36pm
Posted also in "identify" thread, but you folks might have the real expertise--I can't find these in Scott.
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We may need a much clearer image to be able to identify these....
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11:12:57am
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Larger picture....I wonder if the horizontal inscription on each side of the picture is another language rather than just part of the design....
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Here's another.
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Found it. These are 1945 Chinese Communist local issues from the northeast China area. Manchu script, I think. Apparently not much value.
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06:27:22pm
re: Identification?
OK, ChiCom explains a lot.
But wait, that's Sun Yat Sen, correct?
Was he not anathema to the Communist movement?
On first glance, I thought, "those MUST be forgeries".
Very poor production quality, no?
Doesn't necessarily detract from their collectibility, and may be another 'adversity' dimension!
Would love to see some usages of these on cover!
-Paul
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Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
21 Apr 2018
12:48:24am
re: Identification?
" ... But wait, that's Sun Yat Sen, correct?
Was he not anathema to the Communist movement?... "
No, Chiang Kai-shek, might be considered "anathema" to the CPU.
Sun Yat Sen was the father of the Chinese Republic,
their "George Washington" (***), and both the KMT, (Kuomintang)
and the Communists hail Dr. Sun, claiming to be his political heir.
There is a picture of Sun Yat Sen in Tienamein Square
and some two or three years ago the Central Committee
honored Sun Yat Sen's 150th anniversary of his birth.
So his image on stamps of the WW II era was not unusual.
(***) Possibly more like a Thomas Jefferson, or James Madison as a thinker.
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10:14:59am
re: Identification?
"No, Chiang Kai-shek, might be considered "anathema" to the CPU.
Sun Yat Sen was the father of the Chinese Republic"
Ya, I realized I was confusing those two shortly after I posted that...
Unforgivable, given how much I have read about the Flying Tigers...
-Paul
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Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
08 Oct 2018
07:49:02am
re: Identification?
" ... Would love to see some usages of these on cover! ..."
Wouldn't we all !
First off literacy for the common man in China was never very high on the leaders or rulers of the Chinese peoples. The war lords who payed only lip service to such modern ideas followed that custom. I believe the other 50% of the population, women, had even less formal education.
So if you cannot write you will neither receive nor send letters.
Next we have to consider the chaos and destruction of WW-II, which actually started in the early 1930's in China and to some, in Ethiopia, years before Pearl Harbor, or the Attack on Poland in 1939. It also lingered on til the Nationalists escaped to Formosa. (Taiwan)
What few stamp collections, or even collectors, were left barely survived to see books and signs of old thinking burned in the streets.
That makes the existence of such an envelope a gem to be prized.
Most Euro-American collectors are put off by the strange calligraphy ( logograms )and linguistics so they toss a few sample Chinese stamps in the album boxes and move on to that mint, never in the same room as a hinge, issue from Outer Thumbellina.
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re: Identification?
"that mint, never in the same room as a hinge"
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