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The inscription across the top of the above souvenir sheet, issued by Congo DR in 2006, reads "Airbus Airplanes". Further each stamp on the sheet is labeled "Airbus A350-00". Yet the stamp on the lower right corresponds to a Boeing 787, which is definitely not a Airbus product.
Does anybody know if the error is with all sheets printed, or if it is, in fact, an error.
Incidentally, I also have a perforated copy that bears the same issue.
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Q/ But will anything ever top Egypt issuing a stamp about the Suez Canal that featured an image of the, oops, Panama Canal?
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I suspect that this sort issue never sees the light of day in the DRC (or wherever), but are produced elsewhere solely for the topical collectors market. As such they will not be subject to any sort of quality check such as you might expect from products that are actually designed and produced in the country whose name they bear.
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Yeah the Suez Canal is a sea level canal, without any locks or dams.
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Does anyone remember - before Scott Stamp Monthly magazine was combined with Linn's - that magazine used to have a monthly feature with these types of mistakes? I call them mistakes instead of errors as unlike error stamps there is never a corrected version, or at least very rarely.
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You could put together a decent topical collection of design errors.
This Historic Scotland strip was issued in 2016. The 4th stamp from the top states "Ring of Brodgar", but instead illustrates the Callanish Stones. This was never corrected
And this from Tanzania, "Horse Racing", but showing Show Jumping. Again, never corrected
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US #716 depicts a "ski jumper" at the Lake Placid games. Ski jumpers do not use poles.
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Where does it say "ski jumper"?
That could easily be an image of the airborne part of a downhill run.
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My reference is the official United States Post Office publication titled Postage Stamps of the United States, An illustrated description of all United States postage and special service stamps:
On page 69 it states, "The central design is a representation of a ski jumper in action, in the position of descent from right to left."
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Another source describing the error is The Encyclopedia of United States Stamps and Stamp Collecting, by Rodney A. Juell & Steven J. Rod:
On page 195, "The first stamps honoring an Olympic Game was issued for the 3rd Winter Olympics held in 1932 in Lake Placid, New York. This stamp was criticized because of what today would be called a major design error. The designer, A.R. Meissner, obviously knew little about skiing, for the ski jumper on his stamp is shown using poles, and is depicted in an unnatural crouching position! ..."
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Since there are no other elements of the stamp that indicate it represents "ski jumping" (no legend, no ski jump, unlike the "horse racing" example above), it seems to me that the "error" lies with the author of the publication, not the stamp designer. An error that was likely perpetuated by the authors of the second book you mention, who might have accepted the original publication as gospel.
The stamp designer depicted "skiing". The bureaucrat who wrote the publication labelled it "ski jumping" -- doesn't make him the authority.
Labeling the Mona Lisa as a portrait of Henry VIII doesn't mean the artist made a mistake.
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We are going to have to agree to disagree. 
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This an article by Mystic, & there are other articles online describing the error.
"On January 25, 1932, the US Post Office Department issued its first stamp honoring the Olympic Games.
1932 marked the third time the Winter Olympic Games were held, and the first time the event was held in the US. The games were held in Lake Placid, a small town in upstate New York that was home to less than 3,000 year-round residents.
The Lake Placid Chamber of Commerce asked the village postmaster to suggest a commemorative stamp for the event. A New York congressman helped persuade reluctant officials, and the stamp was approved.
The 2¢ Winter Olympic Games stamp was issued on January 25, 1932, just days before the opening ceremonies, and was sold only in Lake Placid and Washington, DC. Demand for the stamp was heavy from the moment the Lake Placid Post Office opened at 7 a.m. until mid-morning when its entire supply of 400,000 stamps was exhausted. State police were called in to control the crowd.
Postal officials were soon embarrassed to learn the stamp design contained an error. Ski jumpers don’t use poles, but the athlete pictured on the 2¢ stamp is clearly grasping a pair as he flies mid-air."
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Unless proven otherwise by an article from when the stamp was originally issued that states this is - and was intended to be - an image of a ski jumper, I would tend to side with Roy on this one.
It could be either one and in my opinion is open for anyone's interpretation.
Sorry Eric - no offense!
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No offense taken. I have been wrong before, possibly more than once. And I do agree with Roy that sometimes wrong information gets into the system and then gets perpetuated. They even have a name for that: Law of Primacy. First thing people hear is what they remember, even if newer, correct information comes afterwards. Nonetheless I think there is enough corroborating info, especially the info from the Post Office Publication on US Stamps, to incline me to believe that A. R. Meissner made a grievous error. He was tasked with painting Henry VIII, and he painted the Mona Lisa -- to take a twist on Roy's analogy in an earlier post.
Hope I haven't given any offense in my muleheadedness; none was intended. I am enjoying this process, and I will try to find some compelling article, written in 1932 hopefully, to bolster my argument.
Cheers!
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The picture shows that the skier is in mid air, therefore he has "jumped", therefore he is a "jumper".
The Ski Jump, as an event, has participants that are also called ski jumpers.
There is nothing more confusing than the English Language!!
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Did some research into the 1932 Winter Olympics at Lake Placid. There were only two kinds of skiing competitions: Ski Jumping and Cross Country. They also had an award for Nordic Combined, which was a combination of Ski Jumping and Cross Country. There were NO DOWNHILL EVENTS or slalom or anything of that sort.
The stamp in question shows a skier well too high in the air for it to be cross country. Which leaves...ski jumping.
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From the 1946 edition of "A Description of United States Postage Stamps 1847-1946", issued by the United States Post Office Department, the USPOD states that the image is of a "ski jumper". I don't think you can get any more official than that.
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Newspaper archive of the Syracuse Herald, Sunday Morning, January 10, 1932.
... "More than 500 requests already have been received from stamp collectors for the commemorative winter Olympic stamps to be placed on sale here Jan. 25. The local post office will be the only one in which they are sold on that day. On the stamp appears the figure of a ski jumper in a position of descent with a snow-covered mountain in the background an(sic) an overcast sky."
And to summarize: The stamp incorrectly equips the ski jumper with poles.
I repair to the bar.
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Those aren't poles!
They're weenies on sticks.
And, there's a nice fire down at the lodge to roast them over.
-Paul
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Good research, Eric -
you have proven yourself to be correct!
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The inscription across the top of the above souvenir sheet, issued by Congo DR in 2006, reads "Airbus Airplanes". Further each stamp on the sheet is labeled "Airbus A350-00". Yet the stamp on the lower right corresponds to a Boeing 787, which is definitely not a Airbus product.
Does anybody know if the error is with all sheets printed, or if it is, in fact, an error.
Incidentally, I also have a perforated copy that bears the same issue.
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Q/ But will anything ever top Egypt issuing a stamp about the Suez Canal that featured an image of the, oops, Panama Canal?
Linn's 140912 New Suez Canal stamp shows Panama Canal
Cheers,
/s/ ikeyPikey
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I suspect that this sort issue never sees the light of day in the DRC (or wherever), but are produced elsewhere solely for the topical collectors market. As such they will not be subject to any sort of quality check such as you might expect from products that are actually designed and produced in the country whose name they bear.
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Yeah the Suez Canal is a sea level canal, without any locks or dams.
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Does anyone remember - before Scott Stamp Monthly magazine was combined with Linn's - that magazine used to have a monthly feature with these types of mistakes? I call them mistakes instead of errors as unlike error stamps there is never a corrected version, or at least very rarely.
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You could put together a decent topical collection of design errors.
This Historic Scotland strip was issued in 2016. The 4th stamp from the top states "Ring of Brodgar", but instead illustrates the Callanish Stones. This was never corrected
And this from Tanzania, "Horse Racing", but showing Show Jumping. Again, never corrected
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https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5359209,00.html
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One Billboard in Shiraz Iran ... at least they got the girl out of the picture!
Q/ The girl wasn't enough of a clue?
Cheers,
/s/ ikeyPikey
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US #716 depicts a "ski jumper" at the Lake Placid games. Ski jumpers do not use poles.
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Where does it say "ski jumper"?
That could easily be an image of the airborne part of a downhill run.
Roy
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My reference is the official United States Post Office publication titled Postage Stamps of the United States, An illustrated description of all United States postage and special service stamps:
On page 69 it states, "The central design is a representation of a ski jumper in action, in the position of descent from right to left."
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Another source describing the error is The Encyclopedia of United States Stamps and Stamp Collecting, by Rodney A. Juell & Steven J. Rod:
On page 195, "The first stamps honoring an Olympic Game was issued for the 3rd Winter Olympics held in 1932 in Lake Placid, New York. This stamp was criticized because of what today would be called a major design error. The designer, A.R. Meissner, obviously knew little about skiing, for the ski jumper on his stamp is shown using poles, and is depicted in an unnatural crouching position! ..."
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Since there are no other elements of the stamp that indicate it represents "ski jumping" (no legend, no ski jump, unlike the "horse racing" example above), it seems to me that the "error" lies with the author of the publication, not the stamp designer. An error that was likely perpetuated by the authors of the second book you mention, who might have accepted the original publication as gospel.
The stamp designer depicted "skiing". The bureaucrat who wrote the publication labelled it "ski jumping" -- doesn't make him the authority.
Labeling the Mona Lisa as a portrait of Henry VIII doesn't mean the artist made a mistake.
Roy
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We are going to have to agree to disagree.
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This an article by Mystic, & there are other articles online describing the error.
"On January 25, 1932, the US Post Office Department issued its first stamp honoring the Olympic Games.
1932 marked the third time the Winter Olympic Games were held, and the first time the event was held in the US. The games were held in Lake Placid, a small town in upstate New York that was home to less than 3,000 year-round residents.
The Lake Placid Chamber of Commerce asked the village postmaster to suggest a commemorative stamp for the event. A New York congressman helped persuade reluctant officials, and the stamp was approved.
The 2¢ Winter Olympic Games stamp was issued on January 25, 1932, just days before the opening ceremonies, and was sold only in Lake Placid and Washington, DC. Demand for the stamp was heavy from the moment the Lake Placid Post Office opened at 7 a.m. until mid-morning when its entire supply of 400,000 stamps was exhausted. State police were called in to control the crowd.
Postal officials were soon embarrassed to learn the stamp design contained an error. Ski jumpers don’t use poles, but the athlete pictured on the 2¢ stamp is clearly grasping a pair as he flies mid-air."
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Unless proven otherwise by an article from when the stamp was originally issued that states this is - and was intended to be - an image of a ski jumper, I would tend to side with Roy on this one.
It could be either one and in my opinion is open for anyone's interpretation.
Sorry Eric - no offense!
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No offense taken. I have been wrong before, possibly more than once. And I do agree with Roy that sometimes wrong information gets into the system and then gets perpetuated. They even have a name for that: Law of Primacy. First thing people hear is what they remember, even if newer, correct information comes afterwards. Nonetheless I think there is enough corroborating info, especially the info from the Post Office Publication on US Stamps, to incline me to believe that A. R. Meissner made a grievous error. He was tasked with painting Henry VIII, and he painted the Mona Lisa -- to take a twist on Roy's analogy in an earlier post.
Hope I haven't given any offense in my muleheadedness; none was intended. I am enjoying this process, and I will try to find some compelling article, written in 1932 hopefully, to bolster my argument.
Cheers!
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The picture shows that the skier is in mid air, therefore he has "jumped", therefore he is a "jumper".
The Ski Jump, as an event, has participants that are also called ski jumpers.
There is nothing more confusing than the English Language!!
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Did some research into the 1932 Winter Olympics at Lake Placid. There were only two kinds of skiing competitions: Ski Jumping and Cross Country. They also had an award for Nordic Combined, which was a combination of Ski Jumping and Cross Country. There were NO DOWNHILL EVENTS or slalom or anything of that sort.
The stamp in question shows a skier well too high in the air for it to be cross country. Which leaves...ski jumping.
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From the 1946 edition of "A Description of United States Postage Stamps 1847-1946", issued by the United States Post Office Department, the USPOD states that the image is of a "ski jumper". I don't think you can get any more official than that.
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Newspaper archive of the Syracuse Herald, Sunday Morning, January 10, 1932.
... "More than 500 requests already have been received from stamp collectors for the commemorative winter Olympic stamps to be placed on sale here Jan. 25. The local post office will be the only one in which they are sold on that day. On the stamp appears the figure of a ski jumper in a position of descent with a snow-covered mountain in the background an(sic) an overcast sky."
And to summarize: The stamp incorrectly equips the ski jumper with poles.
I repair to the bar.
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Those aren't poles!
They're weenies on sticks.
And, there's a nice fire down at the lodge to roast them over.
-Paul
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Good research, Eric -
you have proven yourself to be correct!
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