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forresterd - The stamp was most likely on an envelope that was punched as a type of filing system. We discussed this on a couple other threads here in the past, here is a link to one of them:
https://stamporama.com/discboard/disc_main.php?action=20&id=18806#139992
Hope this helps,
Linus
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Thank you, Linus. I assume that the hole reduces the value of the stamp. Is that so?
Don
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Yes. It is probably not worth much. Most collectors would prefer a copy of that stamp without a hole in it.
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10:10:56pm
I assume that the hole reduces the value
of the stamp.
Not necessarily. Is it tied to the envelope
by the cancellation ? Sometimes a valid postal
usage may make it interesting.
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I think that we are being way too cautious.
The question is about the value of the stamp, not the value of the cover.
A hole punch is catastrophic damage to the stamp.
You remove a hole-punched stamp from The Magna Carta and, once removed, it is just a hole-punched stamp, with a market value approaching zero ... never mind from which side of zero.
The cover might have some value (the image is now MIA) and, if you are keeping that cover - for whatever reason - you might as well leave that hole-punched stamp right where it is.
Cheers,
/s/ ikeyPikey
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Thanks everyone. Appreciate your input very much. The stamp had been soaked off of the cover before I got it.
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Seems that someone stole your stamp.
Tad
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Q/ So the hole was bigger than the sum of its stamp?
Cheers,
/s/ ikeyPikey
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Hole punched stamps generally indicate that they were used as revenues and in particular telegraph stamps
Some remainders were hole punched to prevent being reused
In some countries they are uncommon, in early Spain they are plentiful.
As to value it generally significantly reduces it.
Hungary released some issues with 3 holes that command higher values
Like everything else there are collectors who specifically look for these
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One sees a lot of hole-punched post & postal cards ... obviously for ease of mounting into binders and onto clipboards, and not for fear of reuse.
Similarly, I would expect to see document tax stamps, for example, to catch the occasional hole punch when a document was to be mounted in a binder or onto a clipboard.
In fact, I've seen "pull-hole" binders being used to store documents, during the 21st Century, abroad.
Hint: the pull-hole is so that you can make the shelves the exact height of the binders, reducing the opportunity for dust to collect inside the binder, while affording an opportunity for the clerk to insert a finger and pull that binder off of the shelf.
Cheers,
/s/ ikeyPikey
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From http://www.adventurebibleschool.com/the-kennedy-telegrams/ ... trippy story, too
Even imaginary novelty birthday presents come with punched holes:
Yet Another Filing System That Requires Hole-Punching:
Lastly, here is a 1956 Western Union Telegram Ad entitled Make The Point Fast
Okay, so, like, maybe, that last one not so much.
Cheers,
/s/ ikeyPikey (who sees telegrams getting hole-punched more often than he sees telegram tax stamps getting hole-punch-canceled)
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08:29:31pm
" .... You remove a hole-punched stamp
from The Magna Carta and, once removed,
it is just a hole-punched stamp. ....
I was not aware that here were any
"hole-punched stamps" on the Magna Carta.
Talk about forerunners.
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This is a 5sh Australia Kangaroo stamp sg#30 sc#44 with a Telegraph punched hole. Rob can tell you more about why they do this then I can. This is one in my collection.
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03:40:59pm
Yes, they look like worm holes.
I have seen them many times on covers from tropical areas. (I'd show an example, but they never make it into my stock.)
Roy
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12:17:04am
A unique wormhole variety. On to eBay !!!
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What is the significance of this hole in thie Bavarian stamp? It is also cancelled, so I would not think it is a way of cancelling a stamp. Any thoughts?
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re: Reason for a hole in a Bavarian stamp
forresterd - The stamp was most likely on an envelope that was punched as a type of filing system. We discussed this on a couple other threads here in the past, here is a link to one of them:
https://stamporama.com/discboard/disc_main.php?action=20&id=18806#139992
Hope this helps,
Linus
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re: Reason for a hole in a Bavarian stamp
Thank you, Linus. I assume that the hole reduces the value of the stamp. Is that so?
Don
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re: Reason for a hole in a Bavarian stamp
Yes. It is probably not worth much. Most collectors would prefer a copy of that stamp without a hole in it.
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05 Dec 2018
10:10:56pm
re: Reason for a hole in a Bavarian stamp
I assume that the hole reduces the value
of the stamp.
Not necessarily. Is it tied to the envelope
by the cancellation ? Sometimes a valid postal
usage may make it interesting.
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re: Reason for a hole in a Bavarian stamp
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I think that we are being way too cautious.
The question is about the value of the stamp, not the value of the cover.
A hole punch is catastrophic damage to the stamp.
You remove a hole-punched stamp from The Magna Carta and, once removed, it is just a hole-punched stamp, with a market value approaching zero ... never mind from which side of zero.
The cover might have some value (the image is now MIA) and, if you are keeping that cover - for whatever reason - you might as well leave that hole-punched stamp right where it is.
Cheers,
/s/ ikeyPikey
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re: Reason for a hole in a Bavarian stamp
Thanks everyone. Appreciate your input very much. The stamp had been soaked off of the cover before I got it.
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re: Reason for a hole in a Bavarian stamp
Seems that someone stole your stamp.
Tad
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re: Reason for a hole in a Bavarian stamp
Q/ So the hole was bigger than the sum of its stamp?
Cheers,
/s/ ikeyPikey
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re: Reason for a hole in a Bavarian stamp
Hole punched stamps generally indicate that they were used as revenues and in particular telegraph stamps
Some remainders were hole punched to prevent being reused
In some countries they are uncommon, in early Spain they are plentiful.
As to value it generally significantly reduces it.
Hungary released some issues with 3 holes that command higher values
Like everything else there are collectors who specifically look for these
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re: Reason for a hole in a Bavarian stamp
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One sees a lot of hole-punched post & postal cards ... obviously for ease of mounting into binders and onto clipboards, and not for fear of reuse.
Similarly, I would expect to see document tax stamps, for example, to catch the occasional hole punch when a document was to be mounted in a binder or onto a clipboard.
In fact, I've seen "pull-hole" binders being used to store documents, during the 21st Century, abroad.
Hint: the pull-hole is so that you can make the shelves the exact height of the binders, reducing the opportunity for dust to collect inside the binder, while affording an opportunity for the clerk to insert a finger and pull that binder off of the shelf.
Cheers,
/s/ ikeyPikey
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re: Reason for a hole in a Bavarian stamp
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From http://www.adventurebibleschool.com/the-kennedy-telegrams/ ... trippy story, too
Even imaginary novelty birthday presents come with punched holes:
Yet Another Filing System That Requires Hole-Punching:
Lastly, here is a 1956 Western Union Telegram Ad entitled Make The Point Fast
Okay, so, like, maybe, that last one not so much.
Cheers,
/s/ ikeyPikey (who sees telegrams getting hole-punched more often than he sees telegram tax stamps getting hole-punch-canceled)
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11 Dec 2018
08:29:31pm
re: Reason for a hole in a Bavarian stamp
" .... You remove a hole-punched stamp
from The Magna Carta and, once removed,
it is just a hole-punched stamp. ....
I was not aware that here were any
"hole-punched stamps" on the Magna Carta.
Talk about forerunners.
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re: Reason for a hole in a Bavarian stamp
This is a 5sh Australia Kangaroo stamp sg#30 sc#44 with a Telegraph punched hole. Rob can tell you more about why they do this then I can. This is one in my collection.
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13 Dec 2018
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re: Reason for a hole in a Bavarian stamp
Yes, they look like worm holes.
I have seen them many times on covers from tropical areas. (I'd show an example, but they never make it into my stock.)
Roy
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14 Dec 2018
12:17:04am
re: Reason for a hole in a Bavarian stamp
A unique wormhole variety. On to eBay !!!
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