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Sales, Swaps, Auction & Approvals/Auction Disc. : New Auction Rule

 

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19 Jan 2017
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19 Jan 2017
05:31:25pm

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Wow. Certificates cost so much I am surprised anyone gets them. You never recoup the cost of one unless you are selling a stamp in the hundreds of dollars range and I didn't think a sale like that was even possible here

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20 Jan 2017
08:22:17pm
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I welcome this rule.

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17 Sep 2017
10:45:04am
re: New Auction Rule

So,

In the event I get a stamp, hand stamped, by a know expert. Where the 'certification' is just his stamp on the reverse of the stamp, will this be accepted if described in the information section of the listing? I.E.-stamp has been certified real/valid by a know industry expert. PLease see his web site etc. etc.

It is much cheaper to have a stamp 'hand stamped' by an expert than a full on certification-
When you take the cheaper route, you typically get the just the handstamp cert, as seen in photo #1-or If you have a stamp worth substantially more, photo #2, you get the full on cert/certification.

So, not everyone collects Zimbabwe and I would hate to set off any 'red flags'.
I am sure that as long as it is described as 'certified' and honored by the member/seller there shouldn't be an issue-right?
Please see example-
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17 Sep 2017
11:00:14am
re: New Auction Rule

This is a typical certification that I have done quite often. With the site only having two photos, which I love the format of by the way, What would be the best way to accurately list the certified stamp? I think a cert card pic and front picture should meet the requirement.
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17 Sep 2017
01:35:38pm
re: New Auction Rule

Lee,

your approach is perfect. You show stamp AND the signature signifying certification, and because many are going to be unfamiliar with that individual, you say who he is.

Many will think that's a plus; some will think it a minus. but you've identified aspects of the stamp for all of us to see.

sounds good.


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17 Sep 2017
03:53:39pm
re: New Auction Rule

thanks, So I am going with picture of the stamp and then the cert card. As seen the certifying handstamp is also on the right side of the cert card-


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17 Sep 2017
11:52:28pm
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Yes, I agree. You already have listed a few just like that. Perfect.

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18 Sep 2017
10:50:20pm
re: New Auction Rule

I would assume that works great for a stamp with a known mark from a known expertizer and the certification card is at hand.
But my twisted mind then wonders what would be acceptable when the mark is there from a well known expertizer but over the years of handling, and possibly the stamps timely rescue from an advancing hurricane or fire, no certificate is available.
I suppose as long as the facts are stated plainly, and the scan of the obverse is shown, it could be buyer beware, unless the seller makes some representation beyond the scan.
Yes,
No,
Maybe ?

I think that being open and above board so that the buyer is not deceived in any way is our mutual goal. A stamp with a signature or symbol on the back with no real knowledge as to who is represented would probably be considered a defect by some of our more fastidious collectors.

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18 Sep 2017
11:19:07pm
re: New Auction Rule

OK you confused me. Any seller selling a stamp with a handstand, cert, mark or 'x'. Is held to the standard to provide a website to refer to. I.e foreign country cert I know nothing about..has to at least have a way for me, the buyer to do my due diligence. Plus we all live by our code of honesty, well I know I do..

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19 Sep 2017
12:39:21am
re: New Auction Rule

Here we go:
The stamps that I have certified with a handstand only on the reverse cost me $10.00. They have been certified by an expert. Said expert lists on his site 'handstamp' certified. I will be listing my stamps that way and will stand behind that certified Stamp.

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19 Sep 2017
01:34:46am
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You wrote "stamps", which if not a typo means you got several stamps with the hand stamp, all for $10.00. If the stamps are listed in catalogs at a premium price, I'd wonder why the gods of good fortune had suddenly smiled on me.
That, of course, depends? on your concept as to premium; Less than $100 per stamp, more than a $100.00, or a lot more ?
My curiosity grows out of the fact that in the 1960s I had a very small stylized "CDJ, my initials, made for me in Kaochung, China that I used to mark certain documents that I read and used it for that reason. As a ship's officer I was responsible to read the weekly "Notices to Mariners" which updated the charts we used for navigation. After a six month trip the ship received packets that had been issued while we were off sailing the deep blue seas. For instance, a chart might show a navigation marker established or disestablished at a certain point so the chart had to be amended and I did not care to be responsible for someone else's errors.The pad was tiny, but legible mounted on a thin bamboo shaft. It was also a good way to keep track of what I had completed.
Now on to stamps.
I had been developing, by purchase a decent early US collection and began to use that marker to identify some of the moderately expensive stamps as I bought sets from established dealers. Around 1978-'79 something came up and I sold the USA stamps as well as a good number of gold and silver coins. That was when I learned that stamps in general were not a great short time investment .
Somewhere there are a few hundred Washington-Jeffersons, Trans Mississippis and other mint and used stamps from the turn of that century. There were a few mint Newfoundland issues and some of the early US and Canada airmails.
At the time I was not familiar with expertizers marks.
So there are a good number of nice stamps floating around with a hand stamp that absolutely certifies they once were a part of my stamp holdings.
I hope they have never been passed of as "certified" from a known or unknown expert.

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19 Sep 2017
03:02:11am
re: New Auction Rule

Auction Rule #C2 is quite clear in this situation.

"C2. Bogus, fake, forged, counterfeit, reprinted, repaired or altered stamps may be listed for sale, and must be so identified. Describing a stamp as "counterfeit?" or "reperfed?", etc. is permitted when a seller is uncertain whether a stamp is genuine or has been altered. Relying on authentication marks to list the stamp as genuine without accompanying certification from a recognized authority is not permitted."



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19 Sep 2017
10:19:06am
re: New Auction Rule

Great point..a mark on the reverse of a stamp needs to be accompanied by a cert. E see them all the time. Great point..what are those marks on the back of that stamp? Oh, I see it the cert..check.

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Member discussion regarding new auction rule.

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19 Jan 2017
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re: New Auction Rule

Wow. Certificates cost so much I am surprised anyone gets them. You never recoup the cost of one unless you are selling a stamp in the hundreds of dollars range and I didn't think a sale like that was even possible here

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20 Jan 2017
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re: New Auction Rule

I welcome this rule.

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17 Sep 2017
10:45:04am

re: New Auction Rule

So,

In the event I get a stamp, hand stamped, by a know expert. Where the 'certification' is just his stamp on the reverse of the stamp, will this be accepted if described in the information section of the listing? I.E.-stamp has been certified real/valid by a know industry expert. PLease see his web site etc. etc.

It is much cheaper to have a stamp 'hand stamped' by an expert than a full on certification-
When you take the cheaper route, you typically get the just the handstamp cert, as seen in photo #1-or If you have a stamp worth substantially more, photo #2, you get the full on cert/certification.

So, not everyone collects Zimbabwe and I would hate to set off any 'red flags'.
I am sure that as long as it is described as 'certified' and honored by the member/seller there shouldn't be an issue-right?
Please see example-
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17 Sep 2017
11:00:14am

re: New Auction Rule

This is a typical certification that I have done quite often. With the site only having two photos, which I love the format of by the way, What would be the best way to accurately list the certified stamp? I think a cert card pic and front picture should meet the requirement.
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17 Sep 2017
01:35:38pm

re: New Auction Rule

Lee,

your approach is perfect. You show stamp AND the signature signifying certification, and because many are going to be unfamiliar with that individual, you say who he is.

Many will think that's a plus; some will think it a minus. but you've identified aspects of the stamp for all of us to see.

sounds good.


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17 Sep 2017
03:53:39pm

re: New Auction Rule

thanks, So I am going with picture of the stamp and then the cert card. As seen the certifying handstamp is also on the right side of the cert card-


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17 Sep 2017
11:52:28pm

re: New Auction Rule

Yes, I agree. You already have listed a few just like that. Perfect.

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Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
18 Sep 2017
10:50:20pm

re: New Auction Rule

I would assume that works great for a stamp with a known mark from a known expertizer and the certification card is at hand.
But my twisted mind then wonders what would be acceptable when the mark is there from a well known expertizer but over the years of handling, and possibly the stamps timely rescue from an advancing hurricane or fire, no certificate is available.
I suppose as long as the facts are stated plainly, and the scan of the obverse is shown, it could be buyer beware, unless the seller makes some representation beyond the scan.
Yes,
No,
Maybe ?

I think that being open and above board so that the buyer is not deceived in any way is our mutual goal. A stamp with a signature or symbol on the back with no real knowledge as to who is represented would probably be considered a defect by some of our more fastidious collectors.

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18 Sep 2017
11:19:07pm

re: New Auction Rule

OK you confused me. Any seller selling a stamp with a handstand, cert, mark or 'x'. Is held to the standard to provide a website to refer to. I.e foreign country cert I know nothing about..has to at least have a way for me, the buyer to do my due diligence. Plus we all live by our code of honesty, well I know I do..

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IPDA Chairman, Scaramento Philatelic Society #2112-vice president, ISWWSC #2966, Iran philatelic study circle, US Army Veteran, Grandfather of 6, stamp collector/seller!
19 Sep 2017
12:39:21am

re: New Auction Rule

Here we go:
The stamps that I have certified with a handstand only on the reverse cost me $10.00. They have been certified by an expert. Said expert lists on his site 'handstamp' certified. I will be listing my stamps that way and will stand behind that certified Stamp.

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19 Sep 2017
01:34:46am

re: New Auction Rule

You wrote "stamps", which if not a typo means you got several stamps with the hand stamp, all for $10.00. If the stamps are listed in catalogs at a premium price, I'd wonder why the gods of good fortune had suddenly smiled on me.
That, of course, depends? on your concept as to premium; Less than $100 per stamp, more than a $100.00, or a lot more ?
My curiosity grows out of the fact that in the 1960s I had a very small stylized "CDJ, my initials, made for me in Kaochung, China that I used to mark certain documents that I read and used it for that reason. As a ship's officer I was responsible to read the weekly "Notices to Mariners" which updated the charts we used for navigation. After a six month trip the ship received packets that had been issued while we were off sailing the deep blue seas. For instance, a chart might show a navigation marker established or disestablished at a certain point so the chart had to be amended and I did not care to be responsible for someone else's errors.The pad was tiny, but legible mounted on a thin bamboo shaft. It was also a good way to keep track of what I had completed.
Now on to stamps.
I had been developing, by purchase a decent early US collection and began to use that marker to identify some of the moderately expensive stamps as I bought sets from established dealers. Around 1978-'79 something came up and I sold the USA stamps as well as a good number of gold and silver coins. That was when I learned that stamps in general were not a great short time investment .
Somewhere there are a few hundred Washington-Jeffersons, Trans Mississippis and other mint and used stamps from the turn of that century. There were a few mint Newfoundland issues and some of the early US and Canada airmails.
At the time I was not familiar with expertizers marks.
So there are a good number of nice stamps floating around with a hand stamp that absolutely certifies they once were a part of my stamp holdings.
I hope they have never been passed of as "certified" from a known or unknown expert.

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19 Sep 2017
03:02:11am

re: New Auction Rule

Auction Rule #C2 is quite clear in this situation.

"C2. Bogus, fake, forged, counterfeit, reprinted, repaired or altered stamps may be listed for sale, and must be so identified. Describing a stamp as "counterfeit?" or "reperfed?", etc. is permitted when a seller is uncertain whether a stamp is genuine or has been altered. Relying on authentication marks to list the stamp as genuine without accompanying certification from a recognized authority is not permitted."



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19 Sep 2017
10:19:06am

re: New Auction Rule

Great point..a mark on the reverse of a stamp needs to be accompanied by a cert. E see them all the time. Great point..what are those marks on the back of that stamp? Oh, I see it the cert..check.

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